Description and pricing below:

Performance, Horsepower, Torque and Fuel Economy can all be yours with The Other Guys Exhaust Headers for the 2.0 Supercharged Chevrolet Cobalt SS and Saturn ION Redline. These headers are of the highest quality and The Other Guys are so confident of their workmanship they offer a Full Unlimited Lifetime Warranty against defects and damage. (Excludes coating and header wraps) The Other Guys Headers come standard with a hi-polished silver ceramic thermal coating on ALL surfaces, both inside and out, which greatly increases corrosion resistance and heat transfer within the pipes.

Proven results for serious power driven individuals! What are you waiting for!

TOG Headers features:

• 3/8” laser-cut flanges
• 4 into 1 design with 3” collector
• 14 gauge mild steel with 1 Ύ” mandrel bent primary tubes
• All stock mounting points are retained including the O2 sensor position
• Hi-polished silver ceramic thermal coating inside and out.
• Easy bolt-on installation to factory stock exhaust
• All necessary hardware and gaskets included
• Will not void factory warranty
• No-fault lifetime warranty
• *49 state legal, Pending C.A.R.B. certification

Pre-production group purchase for the header only: $420.00 shipped (Continintal U.S. and Canada)

Performance, Horsepower, Torque and Fuel Economy can all be yours with The Other Guys Exhaust 3” down pipe with Hi-flow catalytic converter. Designed as a direct bolt-on to The Other Guys Header for the 2.0 Supercharged Chevrolet Cobalt SS and Saturn ION Redline with stock exhaust. The Other Guys do not cut corners and only use industry proven and quality performance exhaust components. The down pipe includes the highest quality “Flex Pipe” in the industry! The flexible pipe is double woven with stainless steel mesh inside and outside for strength, durability and noise reduction. They chose a catalytic converter that sets, rather than meets, the highest standards of product performance and efficiency in the industry. Aluminized steel piping used through out, to include a 3” to 2 ½” reducer to mate back to the stock exhaust. They finish with a Satin silver ceramic thermal coating on ALL surfaces, both inside and out, which greatly increases corrosion resistance and heat transfer within the pipes.

Proven results for serious power driven individuals! What are you waiting for!

TOG Down pipe with Hi-flow catalytic converter features:

• 3” Down pipe with Hi-flow catalytic converter
• Direct bolt-on to The Other Guys Header only
• Double woven with stainless steel mesh flex pipe
• Hi-flow catalytic converter with 3” inlet \ outlet
• 3 “ Aluminized steel piping through out
• Satin silver ceramic thermal coating on ALL surfaces, both inside and out
• 3” to 2 ½” reducer to mate back to the stock exhaust.
• All necessary hardware and gaskets included

*For off road use only*
Federal Law stipulates that a converter isn't supposed to be replaced with an aftermarket unit unless a vehicle has 50,000 miles or is 5 years old. Prior to that, the original equipment converter is covered by the factory warranty. If it fails, the vehicle owner is supposed to take it to the dealer and have it replaced under warranty. The only exception is if the original converter was physically damaged. Please review Federal, state and local laws regarding the replacement of your catalytic converter.


*This can only be used in conjunction with TOG headers. It will not work with stock manifolds*

Pre-production group purchase for the Down pipe with Hi-flow catalytic converter only: $295.00 shipped (Continintal U.S. and Canada)

Total for both pcs. is $715.00 shipped.

We are currently accepting Pre-production group purchase orders and will continue taking orders until Friday October 14th at 4:45 P.M. (PST)

All orders can only be placed by calling TOG direct at (951)351-9466. Visa, Master Card and American Express (Credit card, Debit Card) are forms of payment. Please be prepared to provide your information. Your order will be promptly invoiced and processed. All information provided is strictly confidential.

Thanks to all of you who provided your input and suggestions.

Regards,

Jon
The Other Guys Performance Products, Inc.

Great news looking forward to see the final product and to see the results.
O BTW welcome to the site. :)

I'd be interrested

I maybe interested. Have their been any dyno runs with the headers yet? How much does the exhaust note increase? As stupid as this sounds, I want to keep my CSS as quiet as possible...just not a fan of small displacement exhaust tones. How bad is install?

You can bet I'd slap a set of these on my SS. I loved the L67 version ones.

Check out this same thread over on ************* under the 2.0l disscusion group. 17 or so guys have already committed...myself included. They have the prototype done, but no dynos yets.

Im definitely interested but Id have to see a pic of the headers, and a few words on how they perform and a dyno sheet. Will all that be up before the end of the group buy? How long will the group buy last?

Its about time. I've been waiting very patiently for some parts and i'd happily buy a header. Would really like to see the dyno results, cause i'm currious to see if 3 inch exhaust would be too big for the car stock.

You can bet I'd slap a set of these on my SS. I loved the L67 version ones.
Why do you need a set of headers???

TOG's headers are very well made and proven to be probably the best header for the L67 (GTP motor) so I can imagine that the header made for the LSJ will be just as good.

What happended to the group buy "list" that was started?? Was the og thread deleted??
WOT
<EDIT> LOL NM it was n the .Net forum

We can start another group buy as soon as we get a lil more info...

i talked to jon @ TOG the other day on the phone. this is not an actual group buy, and no money is expected until he gets the production headers completed. he is only posting these threads in an attempt to guage interest and see how many people would be willing to pay $419 for a header he produces. he also understands that he needs to post numbers and photos of the completed unit before anyone buys them.... he's a pretty straight forward guy, i just think this thread was taken in a "pay up now for headers" kinda thread.

also, he is making a hi-flow cat and piping to go along with his header. this will be made from SS, the stock oxygen sensor will plug into it, and of course will be at an additional charge. his header has thermal coating internally and externally so it will be super cool in the engine bay. the coating option for msds headers is over $100 by itself, so you know you're getting a deal from TOG... the headers i believe also have a lifetime warranty..


please post your name in this thread if you are interested in saving $50 on the header from the pre-production order list. he is only trying to find out how many he needs to make, and there are a crapload of people signing up for them at some other forums, so if you wait, it might be a little while before you get yours.

Cobizzle, your sig is longer than 98% of my posts :rolleyes: I know youre a mod and all but come on.

I want one. $400 for a coated, warrantied, reputable header is not a bad price.

I want one. $400 for a coated, warrantied, reputable header is not a bad price.


just start a list like this:

#1 ronnie pendergrass
#2




and so on, i don't think he checks the forums much so it is easier for him to just hop in and check a single list instead of reading 500 posts

How long before they go on sale, I dont wanna say I want one and then not have the cash saved up in time! But I do want one, just dont wanna put my name down yet until I find out when.

oh and GTP, it's just temporary, a lil joke, I hardly ever leave my siggies up for more than two or three days...

Edit: and for some reason, like on this one, some posts wont show it anyways, might be too long! lol

I think a user sig is shown in their first post in a thread, and then not shown unless manually selected before you submit the message, thats why it isnt shown in that post.

ohh, guess that makes sense, but it shows u pquite frequently in other threads and I never manually select it. Im gonna go ahead and just take it off now, and stop jackin this thread as well, sorry everybody.

How long before they go on sale, I dont wanna say I want one and then not have the cash saved up in time! But I do want one, just dont wanna put my name down yet until I find out when.



he's already got the prototype done and someone has already volunteered a car for testing. he is working on a bunch of stuff appearently... i just called but no one was there. i'll get in touch with him today and get the specifics of what is going on and let you guys know about it

he's already got the prototype done and someone has already volunteered a car for testing. he is working on a bunch of stuff appearently... i just called but no one was there. i'll get in touch with him today and get the specifics of what is going on and let you guys know about it
Thaks lil buddy!

I've read that the product is at least 4-6 weeks out yet. :(

I've read that the product is at least 4-6 weeks out yet. :(

Where did you read that?

From Cobalt SS.net


R&D will consist of Before and After dyno results. Look for Production headers around 8\1. The primaries will be 1- 3\4" and we will try a 4-1 and 4-2-1 design. (Dependent on room available) The rear collector will have a 2.5" opening. Beefy flanges will be used, gaurenteed not to leak or warp. Stock manifold gaskets will probably be re-used, as GM does make a quality gasket. This will be a direct bolt in header, replacing the restrictive OEM manifold. O2 sensor position and installation hardware will be included. This will be the ultimate design and qualty that should last the life of the car. The header will be coated inside and out with a 2-stage thermal barrier silver ceramic coating. The header is completely dipped in a special thermal coating then baked and cured. It is then sprayed with ceramic coating and baked and cured once again. This is a lengthy coating process and the most expensive. This is ideal for S\C applications. TOG offers one of the best warranties in the business, a No-Fault lifetime gaurentee. TOG warranties to the original purchaser, for life, each new header set to be free of defects in materials and workmanship; including, but not limited to, tube cracks and welds. Header coating excluded or at the discretion of TOG.

The header should be able to be used on the Red Line as well. We will verify that.

We will also offer a complete bolt on hi-flow cat setup to compliment your TOG header

Posts: 252 TOG headers update::: please read

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i'll preface this by saying jon is getting smoothered with calls and emails, and it's actually slowing them down so please guys lighten up on contacting them a bit so they can get all the work done.

here's what's happening:

they have the R&D header completed. it will be an estimated 4-6 weeks before they get a production header in their hands for testing. then they will be coating the header. after that they will be running a dyno on the test car. they will install the header, run the car for a few hundred miles so the computer adjusts properly, then re-dyno the car to get the numbers. so it's a few weeks out, but this wait will be well worth it.

the specs he has so far:

the pipes will be 1 3/4" going into a 3" collector. it will also have a 1/2" exhaust flange (which is pretty damn big compared to others ) and it will NOT be a 4-2-1, there is not enough room. IT IS GOING TO USE THE STOCK MANIFOLD GASKET... YAY he is looking at the output side of the hi-flow cat being in optional sizes ie: 2 3/4 or 3inch he said that the piping on the factory manifold to the cat is a weird metric size....

so that's the info he has at the moment, so spread it around and let everyone know there will be no more updates for atleast 4 weeks.

COOL!!! Well let us know hoe much HP and TRQ it adds when you find out thanks.

COOL!!! Well let us know hoe much HP and TRQ it adds when you find out thanks.


lol actually that was my post over there.

i swore i posted this here as well somewhere... must've been the whiskey :cool:


the biggest thing is that jon has been getting hit with so many emails/calls that it is actually interfering with his actual business, which isn't cool. when he gets the numbers they'll be posted the same day i'm sure, but i'll get in touch with him again as soon as he gets them installed to give any other updates he might have... but for now please let them RIP

oh and for the redline header, they are going to try and make a specific one for them as well. even if it is the same header, it will still have a completely different part# just to keep things seperated

At no point are you obligated to purchase if you decide to cancel.
If this is true then count me IN!!! If its 4-6 weeks I could be able to save the money... So YEAH IM DEFINITELY interested!!!

How hard is it to install/uninstall a header? How much do shops usually charge to install or uninstall them? Also what kind of HP gains do you normally get from changing from a stock header to an aftermarket similiar to the one TOG are producing? I know they haven't dyno'd the car yet but what is a reasonable expectation in hp/tq and 1/4 time gains?

our headers are going to be super simple... maybe a few hour job if you've never done it before. there is plenty of room from above and below the car to get to everything.

best thing is that they'll be no modifying parts.. even the stock manifold gasket goes right back on.... can't say that about scdyne's scrapmetal

How hard is it to install/uninstall a header? How much do shops usually charge to install or uninstall them? Also what kind of HP gains do you normally get from changing from a stock header to an aftermarket similiar to the one TOG are producing? I know they haven't dyno'd the car yet but what is a reasonable expectation in hp/tq and 1/4 time gains?

i had TOG headers on my V-6 Alero and did before and after dyno's and we saw 18hp and 20 tq. TOG headers are very well made and worth the wait and money. IMO :D

Has anyone seen dyno sheets or pictures of the header. I read thru this but maybe I missed it.

Thanks Jason Whitfield

I will buy one for my new Cobalt SS soon as it is avalible.

Has anyone seen dyno sheets or pictures of the header. I read thru this but maybe I missed it.

Thanks Jason Whitfield

I would love to see anything for the test, we have been testing alot on a cobalt and would love to see what other people are getting out of them.

Jason Whitfield

I have been told by TOG that dyno runs have been performed on a cobalt, but they still have some more "testing" to do. I know they were planning on applying for a CARB exemption in california, maybe they are getting to that. He (jon) assured me that they will have a quality product out for us very soon.

Hey, Jason@Rage... is that Rage in Montclair?

I know im in once they are ready... cant wait ! :)

I can't wait to see the number's that they pull off..

I want in!

I have been told by TOG that dyno runs have been performed on a cobalt, but they still have some more "testing" to do. I know they were planning on applying for a CARB exemption in california, maybe they are getting to that. He (jon) assured me that they will have a quality product out for us very soon.

Hey, Jason@Rage... is that Rage in Montclair?

Yes sir - Rage in Montclair.

We have also been testing alot of header styles on the cobalt and should have a unit in 30 days

count me in

depending on numbers, but most likely in

Just checking to see if there is anymore info yet? it has been almost two weeks since the last post here and who knows how long since we heard from TOG.

yes us too - we would love to see pictures and dyno info if any is available yet.

Just checking to see if there is anymore info yet? it has been almost two weeks since the last post here and who knows how long since we heard from TOG.



i'll get up new info right after lunch time guys... i meant to get it the other day but i keep forgetting

yes us too - we would love to see pictures and dyno info if any is available yet.


dyno is not ready yet. i know that for sure

i'll get up new info right after lunch time guys... i meant to get it the other day but i keep forgetting

I was in touch with them last week and they had no updates. I tried to warn them that there are alot of other companies that have headers in the works. It seemed for a while that they might have been the only quality header availible for us, but as time draws on, I become skeptical.

The prototype header and high flow downpipe\Cat have been complete for sometime, but had some delays with other projects. A production set will be complete by next week and then sending the header to get coated. We will get a baseline dyno, install the header and dyno agian the following week. Once we have that completed, I will be taking pre-orders for the headers\downpipe in the form of Visa or Mastercard. Price for DP yet to be determined. All orders will need to be placed directly through TOG via phone. Any orders that are processed and\or shipped, then cancelled are subject to a 15% fee to cover CC fees and re-stocking. Please update any list that you may have so I may better gauge your intrest.

We have plans to obtain CARB exemption at a later date, but be advised that currently the header will be for 'off road use only'. (CA only)

The downpipe\High flow cat is 'for off road use only'

Thanks to those for being patient and not skeptical.

Regards,

Jon
The Other Guys Headers

So at least 1 of your styles has been tested, do you have dyno sheets or pictures you can post. And any pricing yet -

So at least 1 of your styles has been tested, do you have dyno sheets or pictures you can post. And any pricing yet -

one thing to keep in mind is that the dyno doesn't measure everything his headers do.. ie: ceramic coated internally/externally which will help out dramatically with engine bay temps.

Ya your right it takes time to gather all that type of info, and do all the testing. Just wanted to see where they were at with the part and if they had any info to share.

Jason Whitfield

Ya your right it takes time to gather all that type of info, and do all the testing. Just wanted to see where they were at with the part and if they had any info to share.


it's g14 classified. lol


look for more info in about 14 days or so...

so the TOG header is mild steel? will they have a stainless steel version? mild steel rusts after awhile.

will the rage header be mild steel or Stainless steel?

so the TOG header is mild steel? will they have a stainless steel version? mild steel rusts after awhile.

will the rage header be mild steel or Stainless steel?

The TOG will be ceramic coated. Rage says they will build what the customer wants, but I suspect any mild steel from them will be coated as well.

"mild steel rusts after awhile"

Please don't be misinformed. When mild steel is properly coated, in our case, ceramic, it is actually Twice as durable as Stainless Steel. Headers are made with 14, 16 and 18 gauge steel. The smaller the # the thicker the side wall, is more expensive, last longer and doesn't have that cheap tinging sound. Our tubes are 14 ga.

We stand behind our product with a no-fault lifetime warranty to the original purchaser, for life, each new header set to be free of defects in materials and workmanship; including, but not limited to, tube cracks and welds.

Here's some other information for you, as many people get caught up on dyno #'s.

How do exhaust headers help to improve engine performance?

Headers are one of the easiest accessories you can use to improve an engine's performance. The goal of headers is to make it easier for the engine to push exhaust gases out of the cylinders.

A four-stroke cycle engine produces all of its power during the power stroke. The gasoline in the cylinder burns and expands during this stroke, generating power. The other three strokes are necessary evils required to make the power stroke possible. If these three strokes consume power, they are a drain on the engine.

During the exhaust stroke, a good way for an engine to lose power is through back pressure. The exhaust valve opens at the beginning of the exhaust stroke, and then the piston pushes the exhaust gases out of the cylinder. If there is any amount of resistance that the piston has to push against to force the exhaust gases out, power is wasted. Using two exhaust valves rather than one improves the flow by making the hole that the exhaust gases travel through larger.

In a normal engine, once the exhaust gases exit the cylinder they end up in the exhaust manifold. For example, in an eight-cylinder engine there are four cylinders using the same manifold. From the manifold, the exhaust gases flow into one pipe toward the catalytic converter and the muffler. It turns out that the manifold can be an important source of back pressure because exhaust gases from one cylinder build up pressure in the manifold that affects the next cylinder that uses the manifold.

The idea behind an exhaust header is to eliminate the manifold's back pressure. Instead of a common manifold that all of the cylinders share, each cylinder gets its own exhaust pipe. These pipes come together in a larger pipe called the collector. The individual pipes are cut and bent so that each one is the same length as the others. By making them the same length, it guarantees that each cylinder's exhaust gases arrive in the collector spaced out equally so there is no back pressure generated by the cylinders sharing the collector.

I see what your saying, thanks for sharing that info.

for me the dyno is a very important part of product development and is a major deciding factor in consumer purchases. its merely a tool that allows you to see the affects of various modifications to the over all power band of a particular enigine. without dyno testing and before and after tests its unlikely that the potential of any product can be achieved.

the "butt" dyno relys on the plesibo effect as well as emotional and pshycological factors which can constantly change from day to day and are not easily remembered over time. not to mention contantly changing weather conditions, which also can affect the power output and feeling.

TOG, do you guys have a dyno at your facility, in which you test all your products?

UPDATE 9\25 on 1st page :)

Can't wait too see the numbers on this product...How easy is it too install? Is there any clearance issues with stock suspension/springs? Or is the clearance the same as stock....Colin

UPDATE 9\25 The header is a direct bolt in replacement for the factory manifold. So are you saying this header will bolt up to the factory downpipe?
OR
is the TOG downpipe/cat neccessary to use this header??
Thanks
WopOnTour

Sounds good to me, but the 2.5 inch reducer will not work with some that have a 3 inch cat back.

Is there a price yet for the header, i read over the update twice and didnt see one?

Congrat to The Other Guys for getting your header out for production!!!

Antireversion,

It sure is nice of you to bash a PAYING vendor on this forum as well as try and solicit business away from them without becoming a supporting vendor yourself.

Hopefully the moderator will take care of this problem

http://www.cobaltss.com/forums/showthread.php?t=562

I am a very competent header designer/builder , and over the past few years have built well over 1000 headers, a couple hundred turbo manifolds, and custom intake manifolds, I am now very interested in the COBALT / REDLINE, I am looking for someone close to the Greensboro area who might be interested donating to a good cause, I need to use a car for a few days for fitment purposes only, and in exchange I will put somebody up in a rental car, something nice < your choice, a before and after dyno, one of the prototype headers, and bragging rights of owning the car that the most powerful header available for these cars was designed on , feel free to post any questions , thanx

Congrat to The Other Guys for getting your header out for production!!!

Antireversion,

It sure is nice of you to bash a PAYING vendor on this forum as well as try and solicit business away from them without becoming a supporting vendor yourself.

Hopefully the moderator will take care of this problem

http://www.cobaltss.com/forums/showthread.php?t=562

Your life is unimportant. Please refrain from posting here again.

Thank you,
The CobaltSS.com staff!

Your life is unimportant. Please refrain from posting here again.

Thank you,
The CobaltSS.com staff!

Hey if you want to allow people to trash the product of your paying vendors and promote their own product without supporting the site........

People are too money driven and oriented these days. RMy suggestion to you is read his posts and absorb his point of view to come to your OWN conclusion regarding his thoughts. Dont just take the sides of the people who are "supporting vendors" just because they front up cash for an advertising service the site provides. He obviously knows what he is talking about and has put up some good arguments without trying to start trouble. If you really want to look at it from the money aspect, then I could say he is providing his knowledge and ideas for free without having to pay and without getting paid, whereas other people are paying to do the same in hopes people buy their products and become happy customers, but have to pay to do so.

Wow, I just looked and saw his post was removed. Or maybe I'm looking in the wrong thread. If it was infact removed, thats pretty sad and requires a HUGE thumbs down to the moderators/admins of this website. Way to keep useful information from your users!! Idiots.

People are too money driven and oriented these days. RMy suggestion to you is read his posts and absorb his point of view to come to your OWN conclusion regarding his thoughts. Dont just take the sides of the people who are "supporting vendors" just because they front up cash for an advertising service the site provides. He obviously knows what he is talking about and has put up some good arguments without trying to start trouble. If you really want to look at it from the money aspect, then I could say he is providing his knowledge and ideas for free without having to pay and without getting paid, whereas other people are paying to do the same in hopes people buy their products and become happy customers, but have to pay to do so.

Wow, I just looked and saw his post was removed. Or maybe I'm looking in the wrong thread. If it was infact removed, thats pretty sad and requires a HUGE thumbs down to the moderators/admins of this website. Way to keep useful information from your users!! Idiots.

Contributing his opinion was fine, but trying to bash someone else's products as well as trying to solicit business for himself is just wrong.

actually you bashed it pretty bad ( i know cause i read your posts before they were deleted), and i personally believe that the gains provided by his 4cylinder shorty header was pretty damn good. i've never a 4cylinder shorty put out that much of a gain the way those charts are

if you had seen the back of our engines you would know if you can figure out a way to build a shorty equal length primaries header, it would cost alot for production simply from the bends required. if it can even be done. there's no way i see feasible to put the outside ports to the bottom of the collector and stretch the middle ones over and down to the top of the collector. and that would be the only way i could see it happening. there is a huge pipe and various other things a few inches below the head ports which limit most bend options

Gads zooks. You deleted antireversions post? Why?
Rich, I'm with you on this. He made valid points. How many of the rest of you here have studied header science? C'mon.
If you think antireversion posted BS, then challenge him to come up with a better product! Let him prove it! I'm betting he would do better.
I'm not going to bash TOG, nor do I think anti did either. But I also have built my own headers, and many nice exhaust systems. With parts commonly available, I could make what TOG did.
I thought tihis was a forum for discussion? Do ya all think no one else is going to make a header for our cars? Are you going to delete their posts because they claim theirs is better?
Kudos to TOG for getting a header out and working. Maybe even they will try to make a better one.
But don't limit the competition here, that just doesn't do any of us any good at all.

BTW....for some decent reading, Google: Headers by ED, and Burns Stainless

Ron

Looks like you have to front up cash to get anywhere on this website no matter what you know :rolleyes: So much for advancement :rolleyes:

Never bashed anybody, just stated the facts about what works and what doesnt . Never solicited anything, as I dont have a header available for the cobalt, Im having a hard time understanding your accusations!

OK so you never asked for a test vehicle in the Greensboro area?? :confused:

I am sure you could design an equal length header but good luck making one without removing or relocating the cat.

TOG has built a bolt in header that produces some very nice gains. They also use nice thick 3/8" flanges, 14-gauge tubing and they have a GREAT coater who I have met personally.

TOG has built a quality product that performs, so let's see what you can do with the dyno numbers to back up what you say.

**Edited by request**

Now when are you or Jon or whomever going to give my friend his headers and his installation refund??????

come on guy, this isn't the place for this to be posted. it sounds fishy to me that you are bringing up this topic and it's not even your issue.

**Edited by request**

I would have PMed him, but I doubt he would have answered it. Like I said TOG makes great headers, but they dropped the ball on delivering my buddie's. I was just trying to help a friend out, hopefully it has been resolved now. PEACE.

Nic has my phone number as well as Jon's phone number and he is free to call anytime, posting here for him is childish at best.

**Edited by request**

Not to hyjack but I was interested in hearing some debate on optimum header design for the LSJ, and was saddened to see the mod "edits" prevent that. IMO what was posted was not directly bashing any one header, but bringing forth the merits of certain header designs. I think there is certainly a contingent of Cobalt SS and ION redline owners that are looking for a true "bolt-on" solution.The header antireversion was describing certainly could not be a bolt-on that maintains (if desired) the factory cat and downpipe like the TOG (and SCDYNE for that matter)
It actually sounded like Anti's proposed header design might be pretty similar to the "proposed" Weapon-R header for the LSJ. Full length, stepped primaries in a 4-2-1 design. Only problem is the cat and downpipe gotta go making CARB compliancy an impossibility.:(
To me, the TOG looks somewhat similar to the SCDYNE header, (except maybe for the collector) but I guess in order to have a true "bolt-on" shorty, there's only so many ways to "skin that cat" Would be neat to see a dyno show down of all of the LSJ headers at some point.

JMO
WopOnTour

Below are pics of the TOG, Weapon-R prototype and SCDYNE headers for the LSJ
What I am pumped about is even having a CHOICE!!:D

Is weapon-r header even available ?

No, and at this rate there will never be one available from any company for these cars. Awesome... Too bad the first generation of headers ever produced for a particular engine design/combo didn't net 75hp in a true bolt-on replacement... :rolleyes:

i was just thinking this thread should be unstickied.....

i was just thinking this thread should be unstickied.....

Agreed since we are finding out that they are no longer in business

Agreed since we are finding out that they are no longer in business
But it would have been nice if TOG at least shipped me the header I PAID for before going out of business. :mad:

But it would have been nice if TOG at least shipped me the header I PAID for before going out of business. :mad:


were you the one in canada?

i think this gets even deeper for the fact that people in canada didn't recieve their headers, but people in the states did. this is looking more like a well planned scam everyday

whatever it is the people responsbile should definatly be punished by law

Point made today:
Visa and Master Card are getting all of these chargbacks for the same company and you know that has got to raise some fraud flags, especially around Christmas season. Maybe they will open up an investigation and go after the company. Filing bankruptcy is much more difficult in 2006 so maybe the credit card company will accommodate all of the customer refunds and go after the people named as the officers of TOG.

were you the one in canada?

i think this gets even deeper for the fact that people in canada didn't recieve their headers, but people in the states did. this is looking more like a well planned scam everyday
yes I am at least one the Canadians that got hosed. I reget now not having ordering from Adam Chant. At least he took his lumps and is STILL HERE.

*EDIT*
Apparently TOG shipped my header to the wrong address and fedex left it there then sent me a bill (to the right address) for brokerage fees. I finally found where it has been since Dec.20th. Now I have my header and tomorrow I go for a custom 3" exhaust.

Update
Rem Flex is going to make both the Head flange and Exhaust flange gasket based on a drawing that we're sending to them either tonight or tomorrow.(depends on when I get home) Once they get the 'OK' it will be 5 days to produce the first one to test fit and after that I'll have them available for sale. (I'm purchasing a good number of them to get it started)
Since a lot of people question my motives I didn't ask for exclusive rights to the gasket tooling and I changed the design to a more generic profile so anyone will be able to purchase a gasket from RemFlex to work with any ECOTEC engine once they are available.

These gaskets are 1/8” thick and compress 50% so this should take care of any leaks at both flanges. Also they rebound 30% so the chances of time causing a leak from movement will be unlikely. It’s not a group buy or one time deal they will be available as soon as the tooling is completed.

Just understand that even compressing down to .0625” will add a bit of space between the head and header. The same holds true for the exhaust gasket and it will have a 2.75” ID and no larger. The TOG header is a little more than 3.0” opening, but the exhaust pipe is only 2.5”. I needed to do this so there is enough material between the 2 flanges to be safe and guarantee a good seal. The combination of the 2 gaskets could possibly cause interference issues with the header and sway bar under certain conditions or other unknown fit problems, but for the most part it should work.

Point made today:
Visa and Master Card are getting all of these chargbacks for the same company and you know that has got to raise some fraud flags, especially around Christmas season. Maybe they will open up an investigation and go after the company. Filing bankruptcy is much more difficult in 2006 so maybe the credit card company will accommodate all of the customer refunds and go after the people named as the officers of TOG.

Does this come from personal experience??? :rolleyes: I appreciate that you are helping out the TOG buyers but I thought you were banned from all the ekool sights because of all the shit you put the guys through on the redline forums :confused:

Does this come from personal experience??? :rolleyes: I appreciate that you are helping out the TOG buyers but I thought you were banned from all the ekool sights because of all the shit you put the guys through on the redline forums :confused:

No experence with that. I have always given refunds, offered exchanges and been on the up and up with how things were going - all be it slower than people expected. For that I'm sorry.
But this isn't about SCdyne it's about me being a member of a community with the resources to provide some sort of solution to a less than successful deal a lot of people were screwed on.