Here ya go guys and gals here just something to see i found it when i went to SEMA it was a flyer i got but here.

It comes with 16" x 7.0" wheels,adjustable suspension, and ACR badging behind the front wheels and on the seats. Very nice in my oppinion.

A lot better then this Commemorative Edition SRT-4. http://memimage.cardomain.net/member_images/8/web/680000-680999/680350_45_full.jpg

http://www.fastdrive.org/chrysler/commemorative_srt_1.php

WOAH!! That comemorative edition looks HOT though!! LOVE those stripes!! :D

I love this picture!
http://www.fastdrive.org/chrysler/commemorative_srt_1.jpg

That is a cool pic.

Just buy a white ACR and apply the stripes yourself.
Now, if they had based the CE on the ACR model, then THAT would be pretty frickin' sweet!

looks like to me the dam srt-4 acr is faster than the cobalt SS/sc if they produce the acr that is

looks like to me the dam srt-4 acr is faster than the cobalt SS/sc if they produce the acr that is

they have already started producing the ACR theres 3 by where i live at a stealership. and as performance wise, the ACR eles besides wheels, seats,, badging, and suspension. other then that the ACR is the same engine and preformance wise. so then, the Reg SRT-4 and ACR are faster stock for stock then the SS/SC

the Reg SRT-4 and ACR are faster stock for stock then the SS/SCYep! Why would anyone think otherwise. That has been the case from the beginning.

yes i will admit if u get the same driver put him in a cobalt SS then an srt-4 the srt-4 would b quiker in the 1/4 mile by jus a hair but if u do it on a road course the SS would jus beat the srt-4, i like them both either way.

yea all yall no alot more bout these cars but theres a guy runnin around in a srt-4 and all i no is this thing scoots and whistles like a bat out of hell if yall wanna c ill get yall pics an all the mods hes got on it

yes i will admit if u get the same driver put him in a cobalt SS then an srt-4 the srt-4 would b quiker in the 1/4 mile by jus a hair but if u do it on a road course the SS would jus beat the srt-4, i like them both either way.

Actually, the ACR SRT will beat the CSS on the strip and 'should' best one on the road course as well.

I cant find numbers on the ACR, but with a better sway, adjustable struts, lighter wheels with wider tires, its going to be equal to or better than a Cobalt in the corners.

Slaloms aside, comparing these cars on a roadcourse depends on driver skill and type of course (long straights? or lots of tight slow corners?). It's kind of early, but maybe one day i'll get to compete with a CSS in an autocross.

Commemorative edition my ass, its just the Trans am's anniversary stripes, see the 69 Trans am, the 94 Trans am, and the 99 TA stripes....even came with matching blue rims.

Commemorative edition my ass, its just the Trans am's anniversary stripes, see the 69 Trans am, the 94 Trans am, and the 99 TA stripes....even came with matching blue rims.

What are you talking about?? There will only be 200(or 500 I forgot,I'm pretty sure 200) Commemorative Edition SRT-4's produced. There is no way you can compare the fang stripes on the Commemorative Edition Dodges to the full racing stripes on the Pontiacs. :rolleyes:

Also everytime amsoil posts he makes my head hurt. :mad:

Commemorative edition my ass, its just the Trans am's anniversary stripes, see the 69 Trans am, the 94 Trans am, and the 99 TA stripes....even came with matching blue rims.

Um no, its not a T/A. Its not even a Pontiac so I have no idea why you even brang that up. Its Commemorative to the SRT disitnction and the last year for the SRT4 in the Neon chassis/body. Get your facts straight.

What your saying is about as similar as you saying the T/A's anniversary stripes are just a AC Cobra in reality....due to stripes and all ofcourse :rolleyes: See how dumb that sounds?

Um no, its not a T/A. Its not even a Pontiac so I have no idea why you even brang that up. Its Commemorative to the SRT disitnction and the last year for the SRT4 in the Neon chassis/body. Get your facts straight.

What your saying is about as similar as you saying the T/A's anniversary stripes are just a AC Cobra in reality....due to stripes and all ofcourse :rolleyes: See how dumb that sounds?


No no no, im saying the paint/strip is similar, not that the cars are similar in anyway, just that they ripped off the color scheme....

http://www.fast-autos.net/pontiac/transam30th.jpg

Your going to tell me they arn't similar? Only difference being the SRT ones have "fang" endings, versus the TA's birds.

No no no, im saying the paint/strip is similar, not that the cars are similar in anyway, just that they ripped off the color scheme....

Your going to tell me they arn't similar? Only difference being the SRT ones have "fang" endings, versus the TA's birds.

Every color sceme ever has been done, I bet I can find a car that used that scheme way before Pontiac. Like OJ said, if the Commemorative Editions were blue with white stripes you would probably say they were ripping off the old AC Cobras. Just say they look nice, like the Trans Ams do, instead of ranting about how they are a rip off. ;)

Also there are more differences between the two's stripes then the fang ending and firebird ending. Look again. ;) :D

yes i will admit if u get the same driver put him in a cobalt SS then an srt-4 the srt-4 would b quiker in the 1/4 mile by jus a hair but if u do it on a road course the SS would jus beat the srt-4, i like them both either way.

Not sure where you're getting your information from, but at the tracks, where we do our practice runs, with a heads up run, against a 14.7 car, I'm like 3 to 4 cars ahead easily, so how is it that the SRT would only be a hair quicker? Also note that I said 14.7, where at my track, no CSS has even broken into 14's as of yet. So I'm giving the CSS the benefit of doubt when comparing it to that time. As for the ACR model, I don't think the CSS would be able to keep up with it. But both cars are nice, that I would agree with you.

Didn't a stock Orange Blast ACR whoop up on a full track prepped Corvette w/ pro driver at this years SRT Nationals on the road course?
let me go see if I can find any links...

Every color sceme ever has been done, I bet I can find a car that used that scheme way before Pontiac. Like OJ said, if the Commemorative Editions were blue with white stripes you would probably say they were ripping off the old AC Cobras. Just say they look nice, like the Trans Ams do, instead of ranting about how they are a rip off. ;)

Also there are more differences between the two's stripes then the fang ending and firebird ending. Look again. ;) :D

ya anyone ever heard of the VIPER?!!!

the white with blue stripes is classic :)

Didn't a stock Orange Blast ACR whoop up on a full track prepped Corvette w/ pro driver at this years SRT Nationals on the road course?
let me go see if I can find any links...

To reply to that question, just look at the venue. ;) What year Corvette? Like it matters, there is no way, it had to be all for show.

ya anyone ever heard of the VIPER?!!!

the white with blue stripes is classic :)

blue w/ white stripes was the vipers colors. Well I saw a few white w/ blue but many more of blue/white.

they have already started producing the ACR theres 3 by where i live at a stealership. and as performance wise, the ACR eles besides wheels, seats,, badging, and suspension. other then that the ACR is the same engine and preformance wise. so then, the Reg SRT-4 and ACR are faster stock for stock then the SS/SC

And most AutoX'ers and road racers will tell you that the stock ACR suspension is better than the Stage III coil-overs (the regular $1400 Stage III, not the $2500 Stage IIIR). I'd expect the ACR to be close to a full G on the skid pad, and run the slalom in the low/mid 70's.

To reply to that question, just look at the venue. ;) What year Corvette? Like it matters, there is no way, it had to be all for show.
Well like I said I looked back and the ACR didn't whoop or destroy the vette, it did get the best track times out of all classes of cars. Some testiment from the Nationals ...
"the ACR kicked everyones ass on the road course best time out off all the classes. It even kicked the pwerks evos ass.
Keep in mind.......that was the fist time the pwerks Evo had been on the track, and it was a shakedown weekend.....they finished it up only days before the event.
Also keep in mind Eric from SRT was driving the ACR. He's probably one of the best if not the best Noen driver in the nation, with tons of time in the ACR.
On a road course....drivers skill means more than the car. I had 400+ hp and stage 3 coilovers, and had my ass handed to me by a sub 100hp stock suspention Beetle at Talledega Grand Prix.....because the driver in the beetle was a better driver.
Another example, the ACR was keeping up with a full track preped (non treet legal) C4 Vette (slicks and all).......and the ACR was on DOT tires. That is a testament to Erics driving ability."
....
"What I would like to see is the video of david passing up a srt on the peanut!!! Now that was sweet. Goes to show that you dont have to have a faster car to win on the track. Better experience at driving your car will own faster not so experienced vehicles. Just like the ACR blowing by the vette and leaving it behind."
I knew I had seen some video footage of this just trying to find it....and no it was not a show car, thanks.

blue w/ white stripes was the vipers colors. Well I saw a few white w/ blue but many more of blue/white.


I think this color scheme looks the best on the viper and reminds me the most of the viper.

http://www.dodgevipersforsale.com/New_Folder/Dsc00459_small.jpg

Plus its the color I pick on PGR2. :p But to each his own. :D

I found this funny though.
Pics for GTS-R on Viper Central... http://www.vipercentral.com/pics/gtsr/gtsrpics.htm (white w/ blue)
Pics for GTS... http://www.vipercentral.com/pics/gtsr/gtsrpics.htm (blue w/ white) :D

yeah same here, all the GTS-R I have seen looks like the ones you pictured...the white w/ blue, and all GTS's were blue/white...hmmmm

Well like I said I looked back and the ACR didn't whoop or destroy the vette, it did get the best track times out of all classes of cars. Some testiment from the Nationals ...
"the ACR kicked everyones ass on the road course best time out off all the classes. It even kicked the pwerks evos ass.
Keep in mind.......that was the fist time the pwerks Evo had been on the track, and it was a shakedown weekend.....they finished it up only days before the event.
Also keep in mind Eric from SRT was driving the ACR. He's probably one of the best if not the best Noen driver in the nation, with tons of time in the ACR.
On a road course....drivers skill means more than the car. I had 400+ hp and stage 3 coilovers, and had my ass handed to me by a sub 100hp stock suspention Beetle at Talledega Grand Prix.....because the driver in the beetle was a better driver.
Another example, the ACR was keeping up with a full track preped (non treet legal) C4 Vette (slicks and all).......and the ACR was on DOT tires. That is a testament to Erics driving ability."
....
"What I would like to see is the video of david passing up a srt on the peanut!!! Now that was sweet. Goes to show that you dont have to have a faster car to win on the track. Better experience at driving your car will own faster not so experienced vehicles. Just like the ACR blowing by the vette and leaving it behind."
I knew I had seen some video footage of this just trying to find it....and no it was not a show car, thanks.
Didn't a stock Orange Blast ACR whoop up on a full track prepped Corvette w/ pro driver at this years SRT Nationals on the road course?
let me go see if I can find any links...

I call BS on everything... either the Vette wasn't trying to show up everybody because it was an SRT event, he just wasn't trying, or it wasn't a "pro driver". I guarantee any ]stock[/U] c4 with a pro driver against any stock SRT-4 with any driver will lose on any road course. Even after that you said it was a "track prepped Corvette w/ a pro driver", come on :confused: . Just like the dude saying his STI could own the new Z06 for less then 65k, if you believe this to all be true and/or real then sir, I have some beach front property in Arizona to sell you... real cheap ;) :rolleyes: .

I call BS on everything... either the Vette wasn't trying to show up everybody because it was an SRT event, he just wasn't trying, or it wasn't a "pro driver". I guarantee any ]stock[/U] c4 with a pro driver against any stock SRT-4 with any driver will lose on any road course. Even after that you said it was a "track prepped Corvette w/ a pro driver", come on :confused: . Just like the dude saying his STI could own the new Z06 for less then 65k, if you believe this to all be true and/or real then sir, I have some beach front property in Arizona to sell you... real cheap ;) :rolleyes: .
this aint no country song I'm singing or crying for you. I don't like Arizona anyway. Go to SRVIDZ.com and just buy the DVD from the nationals.
The other company that showed up with their EVO said they were held up behind the ACR because of the ACR was trying to get around the slow vette on the outside in the curves.
The ACR had a good driver also, he has been driving with and against some of the worlds best road course drivers to date and he works for the SRT division.
If ya can't believe a Corvette can be beaten by a Neon then you can't teach an old dog new tricks.
STi's can't say much anyway, I would be closer to beating a ZO6 and as soon as Stage3 comes in we will have to take 50 different video clips from people with bowtie tattoos so you don't think we doctor'd the tape.
.....a stage3 SRT-4 can run mid 11's w/ 300+ to maybe 400HP w/ the '06 ZO6 w/ 500+HP running 11.9's. and weight is not the issue due there only being about 150lb difference.
and de'nile is not just some river in Egypt, plenty of people have it.

it wasn't just an SRT event there were plenty of other makes of cars and trucks there.

this aint no country song I'm singing or crying for you. I don't like Arizona anyway. Go to SRVIDZ.com and just buy the DVD from the nationals.
The other company that showed up with their EVO said they were held up behind the ACR because of the ACR was trying to get around the slow vette on the outside in the curves.
The ACR had a good driver also, he has been driving with and against some of the worlds best road course drivers to date and he works for the SRT division.
If ya can't believe a Corvette can be beaten by a Neon then you can't teach an old dog new tricks.
STi's can't say much anyway, I would be closer to beating a ZO6 and as soon as Stage3 comes in we will have to take 50 different video clips from people with bowtie tattoos so you don't think we doctor'd the tape.
.....a stage3 SRT-4 can run mid 11's w/ 300+ to maybe 400HP w/ the '06 ZO6 w/ 500+HP running 11.9's. and weight is not the issue due there only being about 150lb difference.
and de'nile is not just some river in Egypt, plenty of people have it.

it wasn't just an SRT event there were plenty of other makes of cars and trucks there.

Does that SRT-4 w/stage 3 "run mid 11's" on stock tires??? Never in a million years. Go do more research and then come back, kthnxbye.

I was starting to think that all the SRT-4 owners were cool on here, until you started comparing a stock SRT-4 to Corvettes, let alone a "track prepped" Corvette.

Now I am not saying a Corvette is the best car ever made, but it is 10x closer to that title then the SRT-4. Come on RWD legit sports car against a FWD sport compact car. This is the truest testament of an apples and oranges comparison ever. Next thing I will hear is the SRT-4 has a better interior then a Porsche. :D :rolleyes: :D

I was stating facts that happened in real life in front of hundreds of other people. Just because you don't want to believe it doesn't mean it isn't true.
I'm not really concerned about your opinion on wether or not you think I'm a cool enough SRT driver.
Does that 500HP ZO6 vette run 11's on some 6" wide street tires. Never in a million years. It rides on 10" wide tires on the rear for a reason other than to "look cool". kthnxbubye
A stock ACR SRT-4 is not the same on a road course as a regular SRT-4, go do your research. Thanks for underlining sports car and sports compact, this isn't a high school or even fresh out of high school teenager or right of college import lover your talking too.
Magazine racing...since that is what you must be doing unless you own a 2000+ Corvette ZO6...states a ZO6 going through the slalom @ 70.3mph and a completely stock regular SRT-4 speed of 69.0mph.
On a road course, loads of HP and a cool body design doesn't matter. I never said the srt-4 was faster, better looking, a higher cool factor, sexier, any of those thigns, I stated that at one event a 2005 Dodge SRT-4 ACR being driven by a very good driver pulled ahead of a C4 track corvette on a few turns. You are turning it into a big FWD v RWD, sport compact v sports car, blah blah blah, son when I say something or type it, that is what I mean right there in black and white, I am not hiding behind something or trying to say something else beyond what I typed.
Who's to say the driver of the vette wasn't a rookie, I guess the vette wasn't racing because he never heard the 3 honks, if you jsut love American V8's that much then say so and then say they are gods and be done with it.
WTF does the interior of a car or a porsche for that matter have to do with anything? What does the interior of any car have to do with speed. You just one of those nit picky little momma's boys? Does a top fuel dragster or a funny car have a better interior than a Ferrari?Lambo? a Pinto for that matter. No, I'm calling a spade a spade and I think you're an idiot. I just lost my cool factor boohoo. :D :p ;) :rolleyes: :eek: :cool:

Anyone see the SCCA T2 runoffs last year? I did.

I was stating facts that happened in real life in front of hundreds of other people. Just because you don't want to believe it doesn't mean it isn't true. Funny so am I, but we can't both be right. Hmmm, oh yeah your facts are wrong. :D
I'm not really concerned about your opinion on wether or not you think I'm a cool enough SRT driver.
Does that 500HP ZO6 vette run 11's on some 6" wide street tires. Nope and neither does the ACR SRT-4 or any SRT-4 below 12s. Never in a million years. It rides on 10" wide tires on the rear for a reason other than to "look cool". kthnxbubye Actually they are wider then 10", good try on facts though.
A stock ACR SRT-4 is not the same on a road course as a regular SRT-4, go do your research. Thanks for underlining sports car and sports compact, this isn't a high school or even fresh out of high school teenager or right of college import lover your talking too. Thank you Captain Obvious.
Magazine racing...since that is what you must be doing unless you own a 2000+ Corvette ZO6...states a ZO6 going through the slalom @ 70.3mph and a completely stock regular SRT-4 speed of 69.0mph. Actually, I was just being realistic.
On a road course, loads of HP and a cool body design doesn't matter. Yeah I bet weight and its distribution don't matter either. :rolleyes: I never said the srt-4 was faster, better looking, a higher cool factor, sexier, any of those thigns, I stated that at one event a 2005 Dodge SRT-4 ACR being driven by a very good driver pulled ahead of a C4 track corvette on a few turns. Neither did I and actually you said,Didn't a stock Orange Blast ACR whoop up on a full track prepped Corvette w/ pro driver at this years SRT Nationals on the road course?
let me go see if I can find any links... :rolleyes: You are turning it into a big FWD v RWD, sport compact v sports car, blah blah blah, son when I say something or type it, that is what I mean right there in black and white, I am not hiding behind something or trying to say something else beyond what I typed. Once again, I was only stating facts.
Who's to say the driver of the vette wasn't a rookie You did, see above! I guess the vette wasn't racing because he never heard the 3 honks, if you jsut love American V8's that much then say so and then say they are gods and be done with it.
WTF does the interior of a car or a porsche for that matter have to do with anything? What does the interior of any car have to do with speed. You just one of those nit picky little momma's boys? Does a top fuel dragster or a funny car have a better interior than a Ferrari?Lambo? a Pinto for that matter. No, I'm calling a spade a spade and I think you're an idiot. I just lost my cool factor boohoo. :D :p ;) :rolleyes: :eek: :cool:
Yada yada yada, I guess the apples and oranges comparison went right over your head concerning the interior of an SRT-4 and Porsche, and the track capabilities of a stock ACR SRT-4 and "track prepped" C4 Corvette. Also sarcasm(a bit in my posts) and insults(notice none in my posts) never win arguments. Also jokes are definently not your forte, just give up your weak approach at them. kthnxbye :cool:

Nope and neither does the ACR SRT-4 or any SRT-4 below 12s.

so your saying theres no SRT-4 alive running low 11's? or even under 12's? haha MAYBE YOU NEED TO GET YOUR FACTS STRAIGHT. goto SRTforums.com and look it up for yourself http://www.srtforums.com/forums/showthread.php?t=98998&page=2&pp=15
heres another if your doubting
http://www.srtforums.com/forums/member.php?&do=vehicledetails&userid=8289

so your saying theres no SRT-4 alive running low 11's? or even under 12's? on 6" rubber?????? haha MAYBE YOU NEED TO GET YOUR FACTS STRAIGHT. goto SRTforums.com and look it up for yourself http://www.srtforums.com/forums/showthread.php?t=98998&page=2&pp=15
HAHAHA... you are funny. Yes I am saying no SRT-4 is running under 12's with 6" rubber. :D Do your research stock rubber is not 6". ;) Its 205mm which equals just over 8". Valiant effort. Why do I need to look at that site? Are there people running 152/80x15in.(rough guess in size) tires on their SRTs? :confused:I sure hope not.

HAHAHA... you are funny. Yes I am saying no SRT-4 is running under 12's with 6" rubber. :D Do your research stock rubber is not 6". ;) Its 205mm which equals just over 8". Valiant effort. Why do I need to look at that site? Are there people running 152/80x15in.(rough guess in size) tires on their SRTs? :confused:I sure hope not.

Section width (widest part of the tire) is ~8". Tread width is closer to 6". A friend of mine ran 12.7 w/ about $1000 worth of mods including a set of M&H 26x6x15 slicks. Another friend of mine ran a 11.9 w/ those same slicks (borrowed from the first friend). Granted he did better (11.7) w/ 8.5" wide slicks, but his car did run a sub 12.0 w/ 6" wide tires. ;) :D

I have yet to hit 11's... but I was trying to do so on a set of street legal 7.5" tires. My car's quickest time has been a 12.2 on those tires.

Just some real world data to throw in the mix ;)

Section width (widest part of the tire) is ~8". Tread width is closer to 6". A friend of mine ran 12.7 w/ about $1000 worth of mods including a set of M&H 26x6x15 slicks. Another friend of mine ran a 11.9 w/ those same slicks (borrowed from the first friend). Granted he did better (11.7) w/ 8.5" wide slicks, but his car did run a sub 12.0 w/ 6" wide tires. ;) :D

I have yet to hit 11's... but I was trying to do so on a set of street legal 7.5" tires. My car's quickest time has been a 12.2 on those tires.

Just some real world data to throw in the mix ;)


Hey hey hey.... don't bring none of that there real world data into this here thread. :D Very, very nice times, but I am pretty sure we were arguing about street tires,{checks previous posts} yep we were arguing about street tires. But since you brought up 26"x6" slicks, are the contact patches on those exactly 6"? Also did John at M&H come and help you guys out? He is an awesome dude.
Anybody else going to prove me wrong and show me proof? Where is that one dude to call me a douchebag, its about due. :rolleyes: :D :p

I dunno. I never measured them. I do know if I were running as wide of a tire as a Corvette runs stock, my car would most definitely be in the 11's :D In fact I'd bet that I could run an 11 on the street w/ my normal street tires (245/40R17 BFG KDW's). The only place I have an issue with traction is on the strip.

I dunno. I never measured them. I do know if I were running as wide of a tire as a Corvette runs stock, my car would most definitely be in the 11's :D In fact I'd bet that I could run an 11 on the street w/ my normal street tires (245/40R17 BFG KDW's). The only place I have an issue with traction is on the strip.
:p It would be funny to watch your 60' times go down to like 1.6-7 but then lose 5-8mph on the high end, with tires as wide as the Vette. Anyways, do you not have any well-prepped tracks over there or what? How much does your car weigh, if you don't mind me asking?

And to get back on topic, how about that new ACR SRT-4? I just found out my dad gets employee discount on all chrysler vehicles because of where he works. So that put the SRT-4 in of vehicles I might get, so far used STI, new Cobalt SS, new or used Altima SE-R, or new ACR SRT-4, still don't know yet. I am waiting for my new job to start so that I have a reason to test drive them. :p

http://quicksitebuilder.cnet.com/transamer99/sitebuildercontent/sitebuilderpictures/69ta.jpg

Well to be fair, the TA was the first car that had it as its special/anniversary colors...predating the Viper by a good 21 years.

The Shelby Cobra's was Blue with white stripes.... :p

Just saying that I think its a bit tacky is all, they could have done a little more to not copy them so much if they were going to do Commemorative/Anniversary eddition stripes.

:p It would be funny to watch your 60' times go down to like 1.6-7 but then lose 5-8mph on the high end, with tires as wide as the Vette. Anyways, do you not have any well-prepped tracks over there or what? How much does your car weigh, if you don't mind me asking?
I'll take a 5mph loss for a 0.5 sec reduction ;) I've never weighed my car, but I'd say it's pretty close to stock. I've added some weight and taken some weight away (CF hood) so it should be right around 2800~2850 empty. With me in it, about 3100lbs. And the tracks around here only prep well for big events... there just hasn't been a big event (summer is too hot here) since I got the turbo installed & tuned. Looks like the next "big event" is late August and two more in September.

And to get back on topic, how about that new ACR SRT-4? I just found out my dad gets employee discount on all chrysler vehicles because of where he works. So that put the SRT-4 in of vehicles I might get, so far used STI, new Cobalt SS, new or used Altima SE-R, or new ACR SRT-4, still don't know yet. I am waiting for my new job to start so that I have a reason to test drive them. :p

Personally, I'd go with the ACR SRT-4; you'll get a pretty quick car with an awesome suspension from the factory. If you're not interested in big HP, add a Mopar Stage III upgrade to that, upgrade the factory intercooler, add water/methanol injection and run in the HOM on pump gas. That'll put it in the 11's with traction and make it a screamer around a road course. If you want big numbers, then do an aftermarket turbo upgrade.

You must be right and I must be wrong because you were there, that's right I saw you in the pics. :p
..so a 2001 ZO6 doesn't have 17" rims that are 9 1/2" wide? :)
..well Capt. not-so obvious you were still saying a regular SRT-4 v. corvette so I had to then tell you it was an ACR. it wasnt that obvious that you understood. :(
..you weren't being realistic you were being ignorant. ;)
..eggzactly, I said that this years (2005) Nationals that an ACR took a vette on the road course :eek:
..weight and distribution obviously didn't help the vette on the track this year did it. The difference was behind the steering wheel, when you take a pro driver v. a seasoned driver. :o
..just waiting for you to keep carrying on the thread and coming back with more and more sarcasm as you said. Over a subject you have no knowledge about before I posted it in here. (This is where you post about me having no knowledge of any type of car and continue on spouting out more to try and increase people perception of your realistic facts)
So I am sure this will keep on going until you feel you when an argument about something that happened in what we call real life, and you are arguing your perception of what should have happened. So keep posting your cute smiley's and talking out your behind. So who called you a douchebag?

This is gettin a lil out of hand....