Hey I'm curious to know what power adders that there are for the SS. How much horsepower have you heard coming out of them on the street? Do they offer bigger pulleys for the blower and all?
This may have already been posted, sorry about it if it has.
Thanks!

Not larger pulleys, smaller ones. Yes they're out there. Nitrous is tried and true on these cars too. Now we just need tuning capabilities, which is in the works. Do a search, you'll find some decent info.

eh, i wouldnt recomment nitrous in a blown application, and if its a must have i would say ONLY use it as an Ntercooler, or a dry kit to cool down the incomming preboosted air (less likely to have knock) nd theirs more O2 in nitrous and so on. out of blow allpications a good intake 3" exhaust and a tune with plugs and a cam should be all you cobalt guys need to be beating a stage 3 SRT OH and some slicks up front

There are a couple of companies that are supposedly workin on twinchargin kits... That ought abe fun! :D

Give it about one year. The market will be huge. All the testing is JUST getting started. Smaller pully's here, Twincharger's there....

The real mods will come from the companies taking their sweet time! Patience SSers, PATIENCE! I believe you guys won't be dissapointed!

jm2c

^^^^ I AGREE.. everyone knows the potential of these cars.... it won't be long.

Hey I'm curious to know what power adders that there are for the SS. How much horsepower have you heard coming out of them on the street? Do they offer bigger pulleys for the blower and all?
This may have already been posted, sorry about it if it has.
Thanks!

Mods are taking their sweet ass time coming out but I have already been talking to GM's preformace development team and they say in Nov they are coming out with "stage" 2 and 3 which will push the SS to 280 hp. That coupled with exhaust and cai, Ill be running 300+ hp this time next year.

I hope they don't cost almost $4k like mopar Stage 3 upgrade. The other tuners will probably have better kits that cost less than GM.

eh, i wouldnt recomment nitrous in a blown application, and if its a must have i would say ONLY use it as an Ntercooler, or a dry kit to cool down the incomming preboosted air (less likely to have knock) nd theirs more O2 in nitrous and so on. out of blow allpications a good intake 3" exhaust and a tune with plugs and a cam should be all you cobalt guys need to be beating a stage 3 SRT OH and some slicks up front

Nitrous intercooler ring would not really help these cars. The intercooler that we have is a air to water cooler, not air to air. The dry kit to cool the air would help a lot. I'm using water/alchy injection for that insted of nitrous.

Hey this is probably another noob question but, I am leasing my 2005 Cobalt SS and I was wondering if I am going to be allowed to install any upgrades on my car such as a CAI, smaller pulley, or the dual charge kit coming out, and if GM is doing staged upgrades would I be allowed to purchase them without voiding the lease or the warranty? Are the SRT-4 leasers out there able to purchase and install the stage 2 and 3 upgrades straight from mopar without voiding their lease/warranty? Thanks for the help guys.

No the warranty is voided..... and i dont see how a cobalt with smaller pulleys and nitrous will beat a stage 3 srt4......... which have 355 w/ just high octane fuel and catback

I dont see how exhaust/pulleys/nitrous will put those numbers

SRT guys...does DCX cover you under warranty if you buy the factory stage kits? If not, that's fuckin' stupid. And I hope GM does (if they plan on having a lot of customers).

I dont see how exhaust/pulleys/nitrous will put those numbers


oh 'ye of little faith

those are big numbers, but those big numbers = a pile of cash leaving your wallet. running about 300hp is about what i would say most people are gunning for on these cobalts... i hope that all those hotrods people are making are not their daily drivers lol...

for about the same amount you spend on stage upgrades for the srt, you will be able to get similar results from the ecotecs in the future. i mean for $1600 on a stage 2 srt upgrade kit, not counting the exhaust you have to buy to get max power that isn't included in the price. it is very concievable that the ss/sc could get as much power for less money.

w/i kit, smaller pulley, pcm reflash, exhaust/intake and so on, the costs just don't appear to add up to that much money for the ss/sc... but we'll wait and see, only time will be the judge

oh 'ye of little faith

those are big numbers, but those big numbers = a pile of cash leaving your wallet. running about 300hp is about what i would say most people are gunning for on these cobalts... i hope that all those hotrods people are making are not their daily drivers lol...

for about the same amount you spend on stage upgrades for the srt, you will be able to get similar results from the ecotecs in the future. i mean for $1600 on a stage 2 srt upgrade kit, not counting the exhaust you have to buy to get max power that isn't included in the price. it is very concievable that the ss/sc could get as much power for less money.

w/i kit, smaller pulley, pcm reflash, exhaust/intake and so on, the costs just don't appear to add up to that much money for the ss/sc... but we'll wait and see, only time will be the judge

Your right. It is a lot of money out of my wallet. But idd rather pay it than be stuck with 2nd best :)

Your right. It is a lot of money out of my wallet. But idd rather pay it than be stuck with 2nd best :)


but you don't drive a mclaren or bugatti, so you're already stuck with worst than second best :D

come back and talk to me when you have a turbo AND supercharger on the same vehicle lol... i'll leave it @ that

eh, i wouldnt recomment nitrous in a blown application, and if its a must have i would say ONLY use it as an Ntercooler, or a dry kit to cool down the incomming preboosted air (less likely to have knock) nd theirs more O2 in nitrous and so on. out of blow allpications a good intake 3" exhaust and a tune with plugs and a cam should be all you cobalt guys need to be beating a stage 3 SRT OH and some slicks up front
Nitrous is perfectly safe in any situation when used correctly. There are plenty guys running the juice with forced induction without any problems. It's all about the tune and setup. And actually stage 3 SRT-4 run really strong. It will take more than an intake, exhaust, tune and "a cam". The car will need 2.8" pulley with supporting mods i.e. tune, alky injection, exhaust, intake, and ported supercharger or nitrous. Drag radials are a definite with these cars and should truly be the the first mod. You guys are underestimating the skittles! That's a NO NO! It might look like a Neon but you'd better respect it because they will run out in front real quick.

but you don't drive a mclaren or bugatti, so you're already stuck with worst than second best :D

come back and talk to me when you have a turbo AND supercharger on the same vehicle lol... i'll leave it @ that

then come back to me when one of the two decide to take a crap out in the middle of nowhere, and noone in the immediate area has any clue how to work on a twin charged 4cyl.
then do a plug 'n play upgrade and get 100+hp more with no tuning or real mechanic experience.
and I am pretty sure he is talking about 1st, 2nd best within their respective markets. I don't believe paying $100,000-$200,000 or more dollars for a frame, 4 tires and a body and running about 2 maybe 1 sec. faster than a $25,000 car puts me in 1st place. It's badass but if you have a wreck cause you're driving at that 200mph limit on your speedo...... you just lost a hundred grand, I lost 20.

but you don't drive a mclaren or bugatti, so you're already stuck with worst than second best :D

come back and talk to me when you have a turbo AND supercharger on the same vehicle lol... i'll leave it @ that

Exactly how stupid are you? You can never have both in the same car sporty :rolleyes:

Exactly how stupid are you? You can never have both in the same car sporty :rolleyes:

slow it down a bit there Turbo...... there is a company developing a turbo to add onto the CobaltSS along with its stock supercharger, hence the twin charged talk around here. Supposedly pushing around 300HP.

Turbo and blower that is, it wont work

all you need is a header blowing into the turbo, which in turn blows into the supercharger inlet.

http://www.prweb.com/releases/2005/3/prweb220700.php 2nd paragraph..

all you need is a header blowing into the turbo, which in turn blows into the supercharger inlet.

http://www.prweb.com/releases/2005/3/prweb220700.php 2nd paragraph..
Yep. And it started WAY back in the day. It's not new technology. I've even seen pictures setups using carbs and twin charging! It can be done and is being done. It's already been done on the Mini Cooper S.

I dont see how!?!? I was always told that was impossible by many people, maybe not though

All news to me :confused: Thanks for telling me though, sorry about that

No prob... that's what we have the forums for.

The twincharge setup is so cool. You can pop your hood, say "See that, its a supercharger. See that, it's a turbo" and look at their confused faces as they try to figure out how in god's world it works....lol. Of course this is AFTER you blow by them:D. If I have money, and well am willing to live with this power in winter, I am getting it for my redline.

how is the twin charger kit going to affect the efficiency/compatibility of other mods such as smaller pulleys, a CAI, port work, etc. Or what about cam profiles? I was under the impression cams profiles would be quite different for a roots blower vs a turbo.

Haha, I have NO IDEA. Hmmm, PSI-FI, can you answer his questions, or rather can anyone as I am clueless other than how it works and its power benefits (really all that I care about...lol)

but wouldn't the blower still be the one forcing the air into the engine? the turbo forcing into the S/C then S/C forcing into the engine.
The whole thing is like one big weird circle of life (or death) the S/C having to pump up the induction, out the exhaust to sping the turbo which rams more air down the S/C's throat. It's like a crazy 3some in your engine bay.

Exactly how stupid are you? You can never have both in the same car sporty :rolleyes:

have much to learn, do you; young jedi

then do a plug 'n play upgrade and get 100+hp more with no tuning or real mechanic experience.
and I am pretty sure he is talking about 1st, 2nd best within their respective markets. I don't believe paying $100,000-$200,000 or more dollars for a frame, 4 tires and a body and running about 2 maybe 1 sec. faster than a $25,000 car puts me in 1st place.


lol show me where the plug an play 100 hp upgrade is at? neons don't have one, most importantly water injection kits(which it doesn't originally come with) = non-plug and play. and that gets er up on some numbers. not many cars have a p-n-p 100hp upgrade, and the ss along side the neons fall in that same category.

as for pricing, have you seen the new mitsu evo's that will drive right off the line with a $30k sticker (could get for atleast 27-28ish) and do 0-60 in 4.4 seconds lol... it also runs about 20psi(139kpa)@3500rpm(111kpa@6500rpm)... with boost like that one thing is for sure: the engines are built great from the beginning, these cars are going to be running 30psi within 12 months of the release, it's also only going to weigh 3200 pounds so it's not that heavy either...so for the price range... i think the evo will be the king of cobalts and neons :D

<edit> almost forgot, here's the specs for a bugatti veyron:

0-60: 2.9

Top Speed: 252.3 mph

Horsepower: 987

Engine: 8.0 liter quad turbo W16

Weight: 3520 lbs.

Layout: Mid engined / 4WD

Transmission: 7-Speed Sequential (Sequential = Paddle Shifter)


so it's a tad more than 1 second faster than a neon lol

one of these guys again......
call the cobalt an SS but the SRT-4 a neon

Stage 3 is basically plug 'n play for the SRT-4, you remove the old setup and basically plug and (bolt) the new stuff right on, turn the key and drive down the street w/ approx. another 100hp


for some reason I knew you would go right after the quickest Bugatti for specs, a one million dollar plus car, for everything that is holy, better outrun a neon. the 700+hp difference helps also.

I was looking more at a EB110GT, quad turbo, 600+hp, $500,000+ price range, 11.7 1/4 mile.....<---that's 1-2 seconds faster than a stage3 neon with stock tires if that. oh yeah, lol.

I have already beaten a few STi's on the road along with my friend at work that has an '05 Blue EVO...oh yeah by the way which puts down 230hp at the wheels stock. He gets me on a launch (of course AWD will win there) but that's it. From a roll at any gear my neon pulls on the king any day of the week. but if he decided to keep racing me from a dig, he then has to replace the clutch after less than a dozen races. He's already had to change it twice before he realized what the weakest part of an EVO is.

one of these guys again......
call the cobalt an SS but the SRT-4 a neon


well it is man...my sticker says cobalt ss on it, srt's say "neon"... correct me if i am wrong an srt is a turbo neon, there's no denying it that's like saying a callaway corvette is not a corvette...

for some reason I knew you would go right after the quickest Bugatti for specs, a one million dollar plus car, for everything that is holy, better outrun a neon. the 700+hp difference helps also.

I was looking more at a EB110GT, quad turbo, 600+hp, $500,000+ price range, 11.7 1/4 mile.....<---that's 1-2 seconds faster than a stage3 neon with stock tires if that. oh yeah, lol.


why would i quote a car that is over 10 years old? they didn't have anywhere close to that technology back then... if you wanna compare old cars, we'll compare a 1994 neon against it lol

well it is man...my sticker says cobalt ss on it, srt's say "neon"... correct me if i am wrong an srt is a turbo neon, there's no denying it that's like saying a callaway corvette is not a corvette...

ok I will correct you. The sticker on my car from the dealer said 2005 Dodge SRT-4, check dodge's website they have a section for neon and a section for the SRT-4, my insurance card says 2005 Dodge SRT-4, finance company says Dodge SRT-4, the manual that comes with the car does not have the word neon in it, only refers to it as SRT-4...
it's not like saying a callaway corvette is not a corvette.
Yeah you're sticker may say CobaltSS but mine does not says Neon SRT-4...
I don't deny that it is a neon, but it does not say it anywhere on the car.
So correct me if I am wrong, show me on the car or sticker where it says Dodge neon.............................coughcough, lol.

but wouldn't the blower still be the one forcing the air into the engine? the turbo forcing into the S/C then S/C forcing into the engine.
The whole thing is like one big weird circle of life (or death) the S/C having to pump up the induction, out the exhaust to sping the turbo which rams more air down the S/C's throat. It's like a crazy 3some in your engine bay.
Yep. The turbo compresses the atmosphere air at atmospheric pressure. Then say you are seeing 6psi after the turbo into the supercharger, so when the supercharger compresses the air it does so on top of the 6psi instead of atmospheric pressure. So if you're making 12 psi with the blower and add a turbo you will increase your boost to 18. Make sense? They've been doing it with multiple turbos too. You know instead of using a common plenum, the turbos are "staged". This is how the tractor pullers from the days of old were able to run upwards of 90-100 psi of boost on their diesel and alcohol John Deeres. It's really complicated to explain and if you don't know the "basics" of engine operation and forced induction then it's really hard to understand. Just remember it can be done and is tried and true. :)

P.S. In theory, you could add another turbo to your turbocharged car but not use the same intake. In other words, your stock turbo would build boost on top of atmospheric, then the new turbo would pressurize the already boosted air coming out of your stock turbo. The only problem is fuel delivery and tuning complexity. Not to mention engine longevity. But anyway it has been done on diesel applications. I'm not familiar with any gasoline applications but I'm sure they're out there.

why would i quote a car that is over 10 years old? they didn't have anywhere close to that technology back then... if you wanna compare old cars, we'll compare a 1994 neon against it lol

why wouldn't you quote one? Because I had no idea what you were tlaking about when you only say.....Bugatti. oh yeah, i forgot the lol.

didn't have anywhere close to the technology back then????? what new technology. the EB110GT had 4 turbo's and 600+HP and 12 cyl, the new one has 16cyl and 4 turbo's and a 1000HP, wheres the big technology jump.
The new 1000HP model 1/4mile time, 10.2....again stage 3 "neon" 11.8...that's still 1-2 seconds difference.

Whats up guys, im a newbie so bash me if you want :D

I was just reading over your discussion and i figured i throw a comment out there. Regarding the Bugatti Vs. SRT-4, the best way to settle the dispute is not at a race track not value wise either even though its clear, i would say it would be settled by impressing someone,for instance with a Bugatti im sure peoples responses would be like a "gasp" rather than with a SRT-4 which would be "hey i saw one of those the other day".So its purely just the rareity of the car. On a more personal note I couldn't choose between the two, I owuld rather have the SRT-4, hell'uv alot better gas mileage and its easy to maintain insure yada yada yada, where the Bugatti would be the price of the SRT-4 yearly to maintain, taking into consideration that you would use it just the same as you would the more practical car. But on the flip side if i own the Bugatti it means im a dirty rich little mother*****r that can afford to spend the price of a SRT-4 yearly on my 500k or 1 mill street legal machine from hell. But dont get me wrong anyone im not knocking either of the two, Im a supercar fan but im also a fan of super cool cars.

wheres the big technology jump.
The new 1000HP model 1/4mile time, 10.2....again stage 3 "neon" 11.8...that's still 1-2 seconds difference.


oh yeah of course.. the eb110gt top speed of 207, is definitely comparable to the veyron does 252... i see absolutely no technology being used there lmao... with the electronic tranny and an extra 400 hp... of course it's using the same technology lol

it's a total expectation of a car to gain nearly 50mph (without ANY new technologies) on top of the 200 one was already going rofl...

besides, this car would hit nearly 100mph faster than the turbo neons and could hit about 75mph faster than a stage 357,092 neon-- i just don't see the comparison... anyways i can sleep better at night knowing there's no neon in my driveway :D

neons are neons, cobalts are cobalts... this points directly back to the other forums i go to that as soon as you call the srt-neon a neon, you usually recieve a bombardment of crazy statements comparing neons to high-performing cars, when in fact they are nothing more than a sub 30k turbo neon haha


i'm not an srt hater, i am a hater amongst people that fathom the idea their neons are just as good as real sports cars.
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I am sure 400+more hp plus different gearing can wield 45mph. I don't think my car is a sports car, if so my insurance would be higher. I don't call it a sports car, I call it my family car, it is complete w/ the baby seat and booster seat in the back, right beside the other 2 doors w/ the roll down windows.
I am a hater of ignorant people that go slow in the fast lane, who constantly want to race every single time I drive into town, and want to argue about other facts than those stated.....who said top end? Where are you going to top out a 252mph car? Where can you find out the 1/4 mile time of a car, almost any city in America.
The Veyron still showed a 1/4 time of 10.2...which my entire point was that a stage 3 neon 1/4 mile was only 1-2 seconds slower......that's it, no more, where the whole discussion of 200mph, 1.5 million dollar cars, and neon sports cars came from is beyond me.

ok I will correct you. The sticker on my car from the dealer said 2005 Dodge SRT-4, check dodge's website they have a section for neon and a section for the SRT-4, my insurance card says 2005 Dodge SRT-4, finance company says Dodge SRT-4, the manual that comes with the car does not have the word neon in it, only refers to it as SRT-4...
it's not like saying a callaway corvette is not a corvette.
Yeah you're sticker may say CobaltSS but mine does not says Neon SRT-4...
I don't deny that it is a neon, but it does not say it anywhere on the car.
So correct me if I am wrong, show me on the car or sticker where it says Dodge neon.............................coughcough, lol.



I work at a dodge dealership, only the newer SRT-4s dont say Neon...The Original was a Neon SRT-4 and i believe about midway through the 2004 production model they changed the name over to just SRT-4........reason being.....no one wanted to think of their SRT-4 as a Neon.

But let me just say this....I work at a Dodge dealership (could have got an SRT-4 for $17000) and i drive a Cobalt SS

I work at a dodge dealership, only the newer SRT-4s dont say Neon...The Original was a Neon SRT-4 and i believe about midway through the 2004 production model they changed the name over to just SRT-4........reason being.....no one wanted to think of their SRT-4 as a Neon.

But let me just say this....I work at a Dodge dealership (could have got an SRT-4 for $17000) and i drive a Cobalt SS


atta boy............

When I was shopping around for a new car, I looked at just about everything. From Cooper S to SRT-4 to Evos to WRX to the "then announced" CSS/SC.
Cooper S = too expensive to mod (I would have wanted to twincharge it), EVO = too expensive to mod + weak clutch, WRX = icky-pooh doggy body style, CSS/SC = supercharger = too complicated to mod and the interior falls apart. SRT-4 I test drove on the autobahn and ordered one the same day.
I'm still waiting on dyno sheets and 1/4 mile times from a twincharged CSS/SC daily driver, that should be really interesting to see the power that can come out of it for the money.

But let me just say this....I work at a Dodge dealership (could have got an SRT-4 for $17000) and i drive a Cobalt SS[/QUOTE]


You are the Man! LOL

I work at a dodge dealership, only the newer SRT-4s dont say Neon...The Original was a Neon SRT-4 and i believe about midway through the 2004 production model they changed the name over to just SRT-4........reason being.....no one wanted to think of their SRT-4 as a Neon.

But let me just say this....I work at a Dodge dealership (could have got an SRT-4 for $17000) and i drive a Cobalt SS
Only an SS? Not the SS/SC?

When I was shopping around for a new car, I looked at just about everything. From Cooper S to SRT-4 to Evos to WRX to the "then announced" CSS/SC.
Cooper S = too expensive to mod (I would have wanted to twincharge it), EVO = too expensive to mod + weak clutch, WRX = icky-pooh doggy body style, CSS/SC = supercharger = too complicated to mod and the interior falls apart. SRT-4 I test drove on the autobahn and ordered one the same day.
I'm still waiting on dyno sheets and 1/4 mile times from a twincharged CSS/SC daily driver, that should be really interesting to see the power that can come out of it for the money.

Too hard to mod? Is that cause it has a blower? I hope not, Cobra's don't seem to have a hard time with it. The interior falls apart on pretty much all those cars... I've heard complaints from SRTs, Ions, Evos, etc, etc, etc... they're all econo boxes with good engines. Have you ever seen a regular Lancer? Have you sat in an Evo? The interior is worse than an '88 CRX. Who the hell buys it for the inside though?