look im not the only spec-v to do it :D


http://videos.streetfire.net/Player.aspx?fileid=BEB42C25-9177-4784-8ABC-92119422D621&t=recent&p=3

I need to go check out LACR. I haven't been there.

That vid was alright. 350z was nuttz

Wow, that spec is cool! I think I'm going to trade-in my car now for one! (rolls eyes)

Wow, that spec is cool! I think I'm going to trade-in my car now for one! (rolls eyes)LMFAO!!!! I tried so hard to hold that back... thank you for saying it!!

you know... i'm not even gonna flame[spec 04].... it would be too easy in a situation like this

The 350Z was pretty damn quick.

Oooh, a modded car beat a stock one! Go figure! :rolleyes:
That 350 was FAST as HELL!!!!

That must be modded, a lot. I raced one of those Spec-V's about 2 weeks ago and murdered that thing. I figured it wasn't even worth talking about till now. My old Neon R/T would have taken that thing! This Spec-V had an intake, header, and exhaust. I find it hard to believe that a near stock Spec-V would have a chance unless it is boosted or running nitros.

i wonder what turbo kit that 350 had on it.. i've raced 2 with greddy kits and put em in the rearview from a stop and roll.... that one looked pretty quick....

i wonder what turbo kit that 350 had on it.. i've raced 2 with greddy kits and put em in the rearview from a stop and roll.... that one looked pretty quick....
I wanna drive your car.... Can I... :confused:

I wanna drive your car.... Can I... :confused:

if i ever make it out your way..i'll let you!!!! if you're near SC from the end of august to mid october let me know.. i'll be out there for 6 weeks.

Haha Neon R/t Beat Me! Hehe I'm Sorry But No My Friend Has One With Intake Header Full Exhaust And Mopar Chip Upgrade, And I Beat Him Pretty Good. So No It Cant Beat Me!!!!

And Im Not Saying That A Cobalt Cant Beat Me I Know That They're Quick Cars But Nobody Believed Me When I Said I Beat One. So I Was Just Saying That It Is Possible. I Was Not Trying To Cause Anything I Actually Went And Test Drove One When They First Came Out I Like Em Alot Just Not Worth The 23,000. Imho

Typing In All Caps Is Really Fuckn Stupid And Annoying

Hey Sun Spec-V 04. What happened to getting that "FLAME" red SRT4?

not really within the next few weeks my friend is going to take over payments for my spec-v and im getting an srt-4 :cool: so if you get the ss yes i'll rape you, and if you get the cobra, well lets face it you can make the srt-4 be as fast but i would never compare it to the cobra that is a beautiful car if you get the cobra i will envy you :mad: , beacause i can only wish to have that car. and about your svt if by perfect you mean slow, than yes your car is perfect :D


So when you getting the SRT-4 bud?

hehehe i just got approved for the loan for the srt-4 flame red, with the lsd. and stage one mopar kit i just have to wait for them to ship it over :D


This is the I wanted to post the first time :mad:

And Im Not Saying That A Cobalt Cant Beat Me I Know That They're Quick Cars But Nobody Believed Me When I Said I Beat One. So I Was Just Saying That It Is Possible. I Was Not Trying To Cause Anything I Actually Went And Test Drove One When They First Came Out I Like Em Alot Just Not Worth The 23,000. Imho

Possible if the driver sucks at life and can't run under a 17 s quarter.

Maybe not that slow, but a competent driver in a stock SS could easily beat a stock spec-V.

Sentra:
175 hp
180 ft/lbs
2710 lbs

Cobalt:
205 hp
200 ft/lbs
2991

Knowing is half the battle :cool:

Whats up fellas...I Was the driver of the White specV...My ride is fully bolted and then some. That SS Was pulling low 15s all night..@3000FT Elevation.
My ride was pulling 14.3s all night..no forced induction...the 350Z Was brand new w/100 shot of NOS...and drag slicks.....P.S NeonR/T 16.4 @ Best

Cobalt:
205 hp
200 ft/lbs
2991

Knowing is half the battle :cool:
Chevy's ratings yes, but EXTREMELY underrated!!

Whats up fellas...I Was the driver of the White specV...My ride is fully bolted and then some. That SS Was pulling low 15s all night..@3000FT Elevation.
My ride was pulling 14.3s all night..no forced induction...the 350Z Was brand new w/100 shot of NOS...and drag slicks.....P.S NeonR/T 16.4 @ Best


Nice #s' for N/A :)

it didnt go through with the srt-4 my friend backed down and the neon needed to pass az inspections, and the car was in ohio so i just said forget it. i wil only trade my car now is if the new turbo nissan comes out 225hp 2.0l engine. and i figure if my car can run a low 14 fully bolted . thats pretty good for a 4 cylinder n/a that has basically no aftermarket support

it didnt go through with the srt-4 my friend backed down and the neon needed to pass az inspections, and the car was in ohio so i just said forget it. i wil only trade my car now is if the new turbo nissan comes out 225hp 2.0l engine. and i figure if my car can run a low 14 fully bolted . thats pretty good for a 4 cylinder n/a that has basically no aftermarket support


Cool!!!!!!!!

spec-v looked at a new one once at a delaership but didnt like the fact that if you kicked the tire would probly fall apart damn what crap those are and that modded spec-v can only win that much with a bad driver in the SS running low 15's. Ya your right you should be happy you won... sorta

My friend raced the same black SS With his stock Specv and was beat by about 3 cars. stock for stock the SS is faster in the qtr mile...Stock for stock the specV is a better handler and faster threw corners...The specV is not made for dragracing. (nor is any stock car realy).I took mine racing that day cause my friends went out to watch our friends 350Z run...I Autox mostly, drag is fun when you get a new mod..LOL

Ohh and I forgot, the person driving the SS was a female...and was a very good driver..she spanked alot of people out there with Srt-4s and Hondas with jackson racing superchargers on them.

stock spec v and cobalt ss = drivers race

Ohh and I forgot, the person driving the SS was a female...and was a very good driver..she spanked alot of people out there with Srt-4s and Hondas with jackson racing superchargers on them.
BS, the SRT-4s weren't racing.... :)

My friend raced the same black SS With his stock Specv and was beat by about 3 cars. stock for stock the SS is faster in the qtr mile...Stock for stock the specV is a better handler and faster threw corners...The specV is not made for dragracing. (nor is any stock car realy).I took mine racing that day cause my friends went out to watch our friends 350Z run...I Autox mostly, drag is fun when you get a new mod..LOL


Im not sure about better handling, I'll have to research this one...

stock spec v and cobalt ss = drivers race


if the ss driver has cerebral palsy

if the ss driver has cerebral palsy
the ss has a slight advantage in top speed

but in the 1/4 its a drivers race

face the facts.

the ss has a slight advantage in top speed

but in the 1/4 its a drivers race

face the facts.

Agreed, as both are low 15 second cars.

Whats up fellas...I Was the driver of the White specV...My ride is fully bolted and then some. That SS Was pulling low 15s all night..@3000FT Elevation.
My ride was pulling 14.3s all night..no forced induction...the 350Z Was brand new w/100 shot of NOS...and drag slicks.....P.S NeonR/T 16.4 @ Best

so what the 350 run.... probably high 13's.....

350Z pulled a best of 13.1.
and The neons where running as a matter of fact there was about 6 running that night....chances are there was a few good drivers in the SRT-4 bunch.Inc 1 Stage 2 running 13.8

350Z pulled a best of 13.1.
and The neons where running as a matter of fact there was about 6 running that night....chances are there was a few good drivers in the SRT-4 bunch.Inc 1 Stage 2 running 13.8

If there was a stage 2 car there running a 13.8, then he wan't a good driver.

Agreed, as both are low 15 second cars.


14.4 for the cobalt is what I have seen most thats low 14 ....

14.4 for the cobalt is what I have seen most thats low 14 ....
14.4 is a low 14?

is that some different version of ricer math or something?

14.4 for the cobalt is what I have seen most thats low 14 ....

By seen most do you mean Car and Driver?

I've only seen them running 15s in real life.

By seen most do you mean Car and Driver?

I've only seen them running 15s in real life.


I think every mag I have seen has had around that ...motor trend car and driver ..I dont get road and track anymore

14.4 is a low 14?

is that some different version of ricer math or something?


yeah I'm a big ricer ....14.4 is closer to low 14's than low 15's

if I said mid 14's would you be any less confused ...

if I said mid 14's would you be any less confused ...
no, but you would be less wrong.

I think every mag I have seen has had around that ...motor trend car and driver ..I dont get road and track anymore

So you admit your a magazine racer.

yeah I'm a big ricer ....14.4 is closer to low 14's than low 15's

if I said mid 14's would you be any less confused ...

Actually a mid 14 is in the middle of 15.0 to 14.0, hence the word mid.

Remember Elevation is @ 3000FT
So the formula is 15.1 X .97=14.65et Altitude correction.
and the SS only had exhaust and air filter...per motor trend thay claim a 14.7or 14.8 ...so thats not too bad.

Altitude correction is for slow cars.

Yeah.... none of you sound like you know what you are talking about.

Yeah.... none of you sound like you know what you are talking about.
thats cobalt owners for ya

Right now Im reading Super Street 8/05 issue, man they have nice looking animated chicks by the 350Z Oh, & look at that a review on the new eclipse spider, lets read,Wow heavy Minimun 3274 if its manual, *lets see what else* 263 HP V6, 162HP 4 banger, blah blah blah, no 1/4 times, big wide, hmmmm... seats look ok

& theres my review... :D

super street is a ricer magazine

super street is a ricer magazine

Its all ricer for this thread!

I prefer SCC, for those who doesn't know Sport Compact Car magazine :D

if the ss driver has cerebral palsy
AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHAA!!!

Whats up fellas...I Was the driver of the White specV...My ride is fully bolted and then some. That SS Was pulling low 15s all night..@3000FT Elevation.
My ride was pulling 14.3s all night..no forced induction...the 350Z Was brand new w/100 shot of NOS...and drag slicks.....P.S NeonR/T 16.4 @ Best

A 2nd gen neon r/t is good for mid 15s... My sxt stock ran a 16.1

Without a little nitrous or slicks, I have trouble believing that a bolt-on spec-v is running 14.3s at 3k elevation... unless you consider things like cams or tune a bolt-on

Other than that, nice race :)

no, but you would be less wrong.


still more correct than you

still more correct than you
told you you were wrong.

So you admit your a magazine racer.


post some of your drag slips of bone stock spec v's


ive seen all kinds of numbers from all kinds of cars from all kinds of skilled and unskilled drivers ...however by compairing what the same magazine got for the two cars in question is a definative way of showing what a car can feasibbly do ...

would this be better I saw a speck v run a 22.9 1/4

speck v vs. Bus = drivers race ...

The SS put up a good fight. I was a little disappointed with the time though to be honest.

thats cobalt owners for ya

Its not a matter of what I own its a matter of what I know.

You've added nothing to this thread.

Its not a matter of what I own its a matter of what I know.

then you're screwed.

Man, Im going to HRP tonight, I want to witness some #'s, I'll vid & post!

My friend raced the same black SS With his stock Specv and was beat by about 3 cars. stock for stock the SS is faster in the qtr mile...Stock for stock the specV is a better handler and faster threw corners...The specV is not made for dragracing. (nor is any stock car realy).I took mine racing that day cause my friends went out to watch our friends 350Z run...I Autox mostly, drag is fun when you get a new mod..LOL

I hope your kidding... The spec v isnt at all even close to as good of a handling car as an SS. I know a kid with one and its as rice as it gets and there is nothing it can do as good or better than the SS. She only beat him by 3 car lengths damn she must have sucked at driving.

Three Letters LSD on the spec V remember I autocross..i have seen many cobalts race AutoX...Not a pretty sight..let alone someone with High school auto shop edgucation capone357....;)

post some of your drag slips of bone stock spec v's


ive seen all kinds of numbers from all kinds of cars from all kinds of skilled and unskilled drivers ...however by compairing what the same magazine got for the two cars in question is a definative way of showing what a car can feasibbly do ...

would this be better I saw a speck v run a 22.9 1/4

speck v vs. Bus = drivers race ...

What's a speck v? A 22.9 is really bad, show me some pics/vid of this speck v you speak of.

Three Letters LSD on the spec V remember I autocross..i have seen many cobalts race AutoX...Not a pretty sight..let alone someone with High school auto shop edgucation capone357....;)

I autoX.

My SRT > your Spec V

Why?

My SRT > stock Cobalt SS > stock Geo Metro > Your Spec V

then you're screwed.

I'm not here to get in a fight with you and I'm not going to try and prove anything to you either, it will be pointless on both account. Just expressing what I see. Flame on.... :rolleyes:

I'm not here to get in a fight with you and I'm not going to try and prove anything to you either, it will be pointless on both account. Just expressing what I see. Flame on.... :rolleyes:

Flame on? What are you in the Fagtastic Four?

What's a speck v? A 22.9 is really bad, show me some pics/vid of this speck v you speak of.


ok now I feel bad ..usually I don’t argue with handicapped kids ...

let me sum this up for you ...

ss is faster than spec v ...
ss handles better than spec v ..
ss handles better than srt ...
srt faster than ss
ss looks better than srt
ss looks better than spec v
ss is more refined than srt/spec v
raven is a wet yeast infected vagina
srt faster than spec v

Hey Raven go to your profile...Select all post by Raven...you have not made one polite answer or question...We are having a simple conversation discussing facts about cars and every time we post someting we see your name and your negative answer...Just relax...And read along you may learn something...Stv

Actually the SS can be had with an LSD...
And it handles really well! I wouldnt expect a whole lotta kids to be excellent at drivin em yet....

Performance Test
Result
Stock

Max Wheel Horsepower
172


Max Wheel Torque
172


0-30 mph
2.7 sec


0-60 mph
7.0 sec


30-50 mph
2.3 sec


50- 70 mph
3.7 sec

Quarter-Mile
15.0 @ 92.4 mph


Slalom Speed (700 ft)
72.9 mph


Lateral Grip (200 ft)
.96g

Show me better times in the Slalom with the SS..and here is the link to back me up. http://www.specplace.com/Aftermarket.html

I never said the Spec V didnt handle well, but the SS is a great handler as well... How far were the cones in that slalom?? 60ft?

ok now I feel bad ..usually I don’t argue with handicapped kids ...

let me sum this up for you ...

ss is faster than spec v ...
ss handles better than spec v ..
ss handles better than srt ...
srt faster than ss
ss looks better than srt
ss looks better than spec v
ss is more refined than srt/spec v
raven is a wet yeast infected vagina
srt faster than spec v
you are not smart.
not even close.

I never said the Spec V didnt handle well, but the SS is a great handler as well... How far were the cones in that slalom?? 60ft?
in the car and diver shootout the SS just pulled .86 on the skidpad

Performance Test
Result
Stock

Max Wheel Horsepower
172


Max Wheel Torque
172


0-30 mph
2.7 sec


0-60 mph
7.0 sec


30-50 mph
2.3 sec


50- 70 mph
3.7 sec

Quarter-Mile
15.0 @ 92.4 mph


Slalom Speed (700 ft)
72.9 mph


Lateral Grip (200 ft)
.96g

Show me better times in the Slalom with the SS..and here is the link to back me up. http://www.specplace.com/Aftermarket.html


"How good is it? In testing, the Cobalt SS is the fastest regular-production front-drive car through the slalom we've tested in three years, rocking through the cones even faster than the new Corvette Z51. The SS outcornered the VW R32 on the skidpad, outgunned the Mini Cooper S 0-to-60 mph, and outstopped the Subaru Impreza WRX 60-to-0 mph."

http://motortrend.com/roadtests/coupe/112_0502_first_cobalt/index1.html

speaks for it self

Yes the SS is a great handler....but it could be better.

Yep it does.
Base price $21,995
Price as tested $24,000 (est)
Vehicle layout Front engine, FWD, 2-door, 5-pass coupe
Engine 2.0L/205-hp supercharged I-4, DOHC, 4 valves/cyl
0-60 mph, sec 6.0
1/4 mile, sec @ mph 14.5 @ 98.2
Braking, 60-0 mph, ft 115
200-ft skidpad, avg g 0.89 <----------SpecV .96
600-ft slalom, mph 69.0 <---------- SpecV 72.9
On sale in U.S. January 2005

"How good is it? In testing, the Cobalt SS is the fastest regular-production front-drive car through the slalom we've tested in three years, rocking through the cones even faster than the new Corvette Z51. The SS outcornered the VW R32 on the skidpad, outgunned the Mini Cooper S 0-to-60 mph, and outstopped the Subaru Impreza WRX 60-to-0 mph."

http://motortrend.com/roadtests/coupe/112_0502_first_cobalt/index1.html

speaks for it self
its a shame it lost to the srt4 acr on the road course, had worse braking, and pulled the same g's on the skidpad

and its just a neon :D

ok now I feel bad ..usually I don’t argue with handicapped kids ...

let me sum this up for you ...

ss is faster than spec v ...
ss handles better than spec v ..
ss handles better than srt ...
srt faster than ss
ss looks better than srt
ss looks better than spec v
ss is more refined than srt/spec v
raven is a wet yeast infected vagina
srt faster than spec v

Ok go ahead
Yes
Dunno
No
Yes
No
Maybe
No
Nice one, but I'm not your mother
Definately

Not for anything, but I've been pro SS so far asshat, because Spec Vs suck.

Hey Raven go to your profile...Select all post by Raven...you have not made one polite answer or question...We are having a simple conversation discussing facts about cars and every time we post someting we see your name and your negative answer...Just relax...And read along you may learn something...Stv

Hah, polite conversaton discussing facts. I'm sorry, but I can't turn gay just for this thread.

You want to learn something?

Here let me teach you.

Spec Vs = teh suck

its a shame it lost to the srt4 acr on the road course, had worse braking, and pulled the same g's on the skidpad

and its just a neon :D


yeah I guess it took the acr an extra $1195 and upgrades to wheels and tires, upgraded shocks and swaybars to beat a ss ..dont really know if thats anything to brag about ...not really my point either

"How good is it? In testing, the Cobalt SS is the fastest regular-production front-drive car through the slalom we've tested in three years, rocking through the cones even faster than the new Corvette Z51. The SS outcornered the VW R32 on the skidpad, outgunned the Mini Cooper S 0-to-60 mph, and outstopped the Subaru Impreza WRX 60-to-0 mph."

http://motortrend.com/roadtests/coupe/112_0502_first_cobalt/index1.html

speaks for it self

Damn, guess I should tell everyone to not waste their time with a new Vette now that you can buy the Cobalt SS.

yeah I guess it took the acr an extra $1195 and upgrades to wheels and tires, upgraded shocks and swaybars to beat a ss ..dont really know if thats anything to brag about ...not really my point either

Yet it's still cheaper than the SS...

Ok go ahead
Yes
Dunno
No
Yes
No
Maybe
No
Nice one, but I'm not your mother
Definately

Not for anything, but I've been pro SS so far asshat, because Spec Vs suck.

well I have cleared up the handling issues with the Motortend article...both the srt and the spec v have been tested in the last 3 years so that argument is out

Its almost a universal fact that the Cobalt is better looking than the neon ...even most srt 4 owners will get past their own bias and realize that Picasso was not meant to design cars ...

as for refinement ..you would be joking yourself if you thought the srt was more refined ..its built of an old platform ...things like liquid filled engine and transmission mounts make out car more refined ..not to mention the superior interior quality . Every review of the car has stated this

And a mom joke ..that’s really going to take me a while to get over …

Damn, guess I should tell everyone to not waste their time with a new Vette now that you can buy the Cobalt SS.


if your only going to slalom with it go ahead...that wasn't my point though..it was that its faster than the spec v and the srt

well I have cleared up the handling issues with the Motortend article...both the srt and the spec v have been tested in the last 3 years so that argument is out

Its almost a universal fact that the Cobalt is better looking than the neon ...even most srt 4 owners will get past their own bias and realize that Picasso was not meant to design cars ...

as for refinement ..you would be joking yourself if you thought the srt was more refined ..its built of an old platform ...things like liquid filled engine and transmission mounts make out car more refined ..not to mention the superior interior quality . Every review of the car has stated this

And a mom joke ..that’s really going to take me a while to get over …

Universal fact that the Cobalt is better looking? Please. If I wanted the "look" your SS has, I'd go buy a 95 Cavalier.

Refinement? I don't have stock mounts, I have solid mounts, so that's out the window too. Superior interior quality, BS my interior wasn't racing. In any case, if I wanted a slow car with a nice interior, I would go buy a Cadillac, not a "performance" sport compact.

Relax though, I like the new Cobalts, they are starting to grow on me, like a little domestic brother. But like a little brother, if he ever tried to 1-up me, I would just have to bitch slap him back in line to make him realize what's up.

Damn, guess I should tell everyone to not waste their time with a new Vette now that you can buy the Cobalt SS.

thats like saying why get an old school hummer when you can get a jeep?




the argument over theses numbers is so minuscule, these cars are pretty well balanced and it just comes down to opinion.

the numbers are just things for our us to argue over. and prove that "our" cars whatever that may be is the superior,

Yet it's still cheaper than the SS...


base srt 4 (non acr 21,445 )
base ss (21,995.00)

its clear that simple addition is not your forte

but 21,445 + 1195 = 22, 640 > 21, 995

just to get things that the cobalt has standard ...like nice wheels and tires

Ok, obviously you missed the Motor Trend awards ceremony that day....standing on the number 1 block is the Cobalt SS/SC driver.

http://img260.imageshack.us/img260/9343/retardwinsagain3xn.jpg

base srt 4 (non acr 21,445 )
base ss (21,995.00)

its clear that simple addition is not your forte

but 21,445 + 1195 = 22, 640 > 21, 995

just to get things that the cobalt has standard ...like nice wheels and tires
Who the fvck pays MSRP for a car? I guess YOU did.

Its almost a universal fact that the Cobalt is better looking than the neon ...even most srt 4 owners will get past their own bias and realize that Picasso was not meant to design cars ...
Personally, I much prefer the looks of th SRT4 over the SS.

Universal fact that the Cobalt is better looking? Please. If I wanted the "look" your SS has, I'd go buy a 95 Cavalier.

Refinement? I don't have stock mounts, I have solid mounts, so that's out the window too. Superior interior quality, BS my interior wasn't racing. In any case, if I wanted a slow car with a nice interior, I would go buy a Cadillac, not a "performance" sport compact.

Relax though, I like the new Cobalts, they are starting to grow on me, like a little domestic brother. But like a little brother, if he ever tried to 1-up me, I would just have to bitch slap him back in line to make him realize what's up.


the cobalt dosnet really look anything like a Cavalier but you knwo what looks a lot like a neon ....(i know your thinking steaming dog shit) ...but its the srt 4 ..kinda the same thing though

so you had to upgrade your car to get it as refined ..that dosent count so thats out ...(its like me saying I have a nav system so saying my car is more advanced were talking stock vs stock not who can throw the most at their car)

seems you only care about strait line so you cant really be arguing what is the better car since you only care about one thing ...in my opinon fun is more than straight.

Who the fvck pays MSRP for a car? I guess YOU did.
Werd. Don't pay MSRP... Never pay retail...

Who the fvck pays MSRP for a car? I guess YOU did.

well you cant get all the same options so that would be unfair...I guess it allready does for things like a better stereo standard and better standerd interior

http://www.worth1000.com/entries/10000/10311_w.jpg

if your only going to slalom with it go ahead...that wasn't my point though..it was that its faster than the spec v and the srt

Right, so 1 car at 1 track at 1 time hit those numbers means every SS will.

If that were true, then every SRT stock would run 13.6s...

the cobalt dosnet really look anything like a Cavalier
No, the Cobalt is a Cavy with an Aveo front clip.

so you had to upgrade your car to get it as refined ..that dosent count so thats out ...(its like me saying I have a nav system so saying my car is more advanced were talking stock vs stock not who can throw the most at their car)
Who cares about refinement? If they wanted a refined car, they would not have bought a sport compact. Sport compacts are not refined. They're raw. They're gritty. They're sport compacts.

in my opinon fun is more than straight.
Refinement + straight = fun?

thats like saying why get an old school hummer when you can get a jeep?




the argument over theses numbers is so minuscule, these cars are pretty well balanced and it just comes down to opinion.

the numbers are just things for our us to argue over. and prove that "our" cars whatever that may be is the superior,

Tell that to C7015.

the cobalt dosnet really look anything like a Cavalier but you knwo what looks a lot like a neon ....(i know your thinking steaming dog shit) ...but its the srt 4 ..kinda the same thing though

so you had to upgrade your car to get it as refined ..that dosent count so thats out ...(its like me saying I have a nav system so saying my car is more advanced were talking stock vs stock not who can throw the most at their car)

seems you only care about strait line so you cant really be arguing what is the better car since you only care about one thing ...in my opinon fun is more than straight.
Well, let's look at what the "esteemed" folks at Car and Driver have to say:

1st Place

RSX-S:
0-60: 6.4
0-100: 16.6
0-120: 27.4
1/4: 14.9@95
5-60: 7.2
top gear 30-50: 9.6 best in test
top gear 50-70: 9.3
top speed: 142
70-0: 176 ft
.4 mile autox- 42.77 secs
skidpad-.88g best in test
lane change- 63.7 mph

2nd Place

WRX=
0-60: 6.0
0-100: 18.0
0-120: 28.5
1/4: 14.6@94
5-60: 7.6
top gear 30-50: 16.3
top gear 50-70: 11.0
top speed: 143
70-0: 176 ft
.4 mile autox: 42.26 secs
skidpad- .80g
lane change- 63.3 mph

3rd Place

SRT-4 ACR:
0-60: 5.6 best in test
0-100: 14.5 best in test
0-120: 21.7 best in test
1/4: 14.3@99 best in test
5-60: 6.2 best in test
top gear 30-50: 9.7
top gear 50-70: 7.0 best in test
top speed: 150 best in test
70-0: 161 ft best in test
.4 mile autox- 40.81 secs best in test
skidpad- .86g
lane change-64.8 mph

Who-cares-it's-not-in-the-top-three place

Cobalt SS Supercharged=
0-60: 6.1
0-100: 15.3
0-120: 25.1
1/4: 14.6@99
5-60: 6.5
top gear 30-50: 10.8
top gear 50-70: 9.8
top speed: 141
70-0: 169 ft
.4 mile autox- 40.96 secs
skidpad- .86g
lane change- 64.8 mph

Dead-last place

Ion Redline=
0-60: 6.0
0-100: 15.6
0-120: 24.2
1/4: 14.6@98
5-60: 6.3
top gear 30-50: 9.9
top gear 50-70: 8.9
top speed: 145
70-0: 164 ft
.4 mile autox- 40.86 secs
skidpad- .85g
lane change- 67.2 mph best in test

base srt 4 (non acr 21,445 )
base ss (21,995.00)

its clear that simple addition is not your forte

but 21,445 + 1195 = 22, 640 > 21, 995

just to get things that the cobalt has standard ...like nice wheels and tires

And the cobalt comes with the LSD which is what was needed in some of those tests.

Nice big ugly wheels and crappy tires.

Well, let's look at what the "esteemed" folks at Car and Driver have to say:

1st Place

RSX-S:
0-60: 6.4
0-100: 16.6
0-120: 27.4
1/4: 14.9@95
5-60: 7.2
top gear 30-50: 9.6 best in test
top gear 50-70: 9.3
top speed: 142
70-0: 176 ft
.4 mile autox- 42.77 secs
skidpad-.88g best in test
lane change- 63.7 mph

2nd Place

WRX=
0-60: 6.0
0-100: 18.0
0-120: 28.5
1/4: 14.6@94
5-60: 7.6
top gear 30-50: 16.3
top gear 50-70: 11.0
top speed: 143
70-0: 176 ft
.4 mile autox: 42.26 secs
skidpad- .80g
lane change- 63.3 mph

3rd Place

SRT-4 ACR:
0-60: 5.6 best in test
0-100: 14.5 best in test
0-120: 21.7 best in test
1/4: 14.3@99 best in test
5-60: 6.2 best in test
top gear 30-50: 9.7
top gear 50-70: 7.0 best in test
top speed: 150 best in test
70-0: 161 ft best in test
.4 mile autox- 40.81 secs best in test
skidpad- .86g
lane change-64.8 mph

Who-cares-it's-not-in-the-top-three place

Cobalt SS Supercharged=
0-60: 6.1
0-100: 15.3
0-120: 25.1
1/4: 14.6@99
5-60: 6.5
top gear 30-50: 10.8
top gear 50-70: 9.8
top speed: 141
70-0: 169 ft
.4 mile autox- 40.96 secs
skidpad- .86g
lane change- 64.8 mph

Dead-last place

Ion Redline=
0-60: 6.0
0-100: 15.6
0-120: 24.2
1/4: 14.6@98
5-60: 6.3
top gear 30-50: 9.9
top gear 50-70: 8.9
top speed: 145
70-0: 164 ft
.4 mile autox- 40.86 secs
skidpad- .85g
lane change- 67.2 mph best in test

I dunno, it looks as if the Ion beat the SS too...

the cobalt dosnet really look anything like a Cavalier but you knwo what looks a lot like a neon ....(i know your thinking steaming dog shit) ...but its the srt 4 ..kinda the same thing though

so you had to upgrade your car to get it as refined ..that dosent count so thats out ...(its like me saying I have a nav system so saying my car is more advanced were talking stock vs stock not who can throw the most at their car)

seems you only care about strait line so you cant really be arguing what is the better car since you only care about one thing ...in my opinon fun is more than straight.

I think it looks exactly like a souped up cavy. I didn't buy my car for looks, so attack that all you want.

Upgrade my car? No, but eventually when you mom lets you buy shit for your Cobalt you will invest in motor mounts to reduce wheel hop. So wow, it's slightly better than mine stock, yet you need to replace it anyhow.

I autoX, I don't only care about a straight line. I would beat you hands down in either and have fun doing so.

Right, so 1 car at 1 track at 1 time hit those numbers means every SS will.

If that were true, then every SRT stock would run 13.6s...


I'm not arguing that the srt isint faster in a straight line ..I said it was allready ...idiot

I think it looks exactly like a souped up cavy. I didn't buy my car for looks, so attack that all you want.

Upgrade my car? No, but eventually when you mom lets you buy shit for your Cobalt you will invest in motor mounts to reduce wheel hop. So wow, it's slightly better than mine stock, yet you need to replace it anyhow.

I autoX, I don't only care about a straight line. I would beat you hands down in either and have fun doing so.


you would beat me hands down till I threw some money at my car ...dont compair modded cars to stock ...

And the cobalt comes with the LSD which is what was needed in some of those tests.

Nice big ugly wheels and crappy tires.


ugly wheels subjective ..i like them

crappy tires ..untrue ...

No, the Cobalt is a Cavy with an Aveo front clip.


Who cares about refinement? If they wanted a refined car, they would not have bought a sport compact. Sport compacts are not refined. They're raw. They're gritty. They're sport compacts.


Refinement + straight = fun?


looks + perfomance + refinent/ quality = a good car ...if I wanted straight line perfomace on the cheap I would have kept my talon tsi awd and thew $6000 there is more to a car than just speed ...its why when people reveiw cars they test more than just straight line

Well, let's look at what the "esteemed" folks at Car and Driver have to say:

1st Place

RSX-S:
0-60: 6.4
0-100: 16.6
0-120: 27.4
1/4: 14.9@95
5-60: 7.2
top gear 30-50: 9.6 best in test
top gear 50-70: 9.3
top speed: 142
70-0: 176 ft
.4 mile autox- 42.77 secs
skidpad-.88g best in test
lane change- 63.7 mph

2nd Place

WRX=
0-60: 6.0
0-100: 18.0
0-120: 28.5
1/4: 14.6@94
5-60: 7.6
top gear 30-50: 16.3
top gear 50-70: 11.0
top speed: 143
70-0: 176 ft
.4 mile autox: 42.26 secs
skidpad- .80g
lane change- 63.3 mph

3rd Place

SRT-4 ACR:
0-60: 5.6 best in test
0-100: 14.5 best in test
0-120: 21.7 best in test
1/4: 14.3@99 best in test
5-60: 6.2 best in test
top gear 30-50: 9.7
top gear 50-70: 7.0 best in test
top speed: 150 best in test
70-0: 161 ft best in test
.4 mile autox- 40.81 secs best in test
skidpad- .86g
lane change-64.8 mph

Who-cares-it's-not-in-the-top-three place

Cobalt SS Supercharged=
0-60: 6.1
0-100: 15.3
0-120: 25.1
1/4: 14.6@99
5-60: 6.5
top gear 30-50: 10.8
top gear 50-70: 9.8
top speed: 141
70-0: 169 ft
.4 mile autox- 40.96 secs
skidpad- .86g
lane change- 64.8 mph

Dead-last place

Ion Redline=
0-60: 6.0
0-100: 15.6
0-120: 24.2
1/4: 14.6@98
5-60: 6.3
top gear 30-50: 9.9
top gear 50-70: 8.9
top speed: 145
70-0: 164 ft
.4 mile autox- 40.86 secs
skidpad- .85g
lane change- 67.2 mph best in test


a test where a rsx wins over srt and ss is really something to laugh at ...


do you have a link to this article I would love to see how they picked an rsx

but in a head to head the ss was picked over the srt http://www.motortrend.com/roadtests/sedan/112_0505_joysticks/index.html

ugly wheels subjective ..i like them

crappy tires ..untrue ...
Nice wheels is also subjective.

Why the double standard?

a test where a rsx wins over srt and ss is really something to laugh at ...
They must have factored in refinement.

looks + perfomance + refinent/ quality = a good car
Let's review...

(Looks... well, you're lacking there... + performance; decent for a forced induction 4, but nothing spectacular + refinement; it's a sport compact, no refinement)/quality; can't comment, never owned one = "good car".

They must have factored in refinement.


it must have weighed quite heavily


and I dont mind the rsx ....its quite a nice car to drive ...just didnt think it had the right mix of performance, quality, and handeling to meet the price as a side note I dont really like the clutch ..though thats not a deal breaker

I'm not arguing that the srt isint faster in a straight line ..I said it was allready ...idiot

I was talking about the slalom numbers, toolbox.

you would beat me hands down till I threw some money at my car ...dont compair modded cars to stock ...

don't be mad your poor

ugly wheels subjective ..i like them

crappy tires ..untrue ...

You admit you like the looks of a cobalt, we already know what kind of taste you have.

I like the RSX, but IMO, it's way too refined.

don't be mad your poor


didnt you just say my car was more expensive than yours ...with the acr paccage ...

I didnt say I couldn't thow money at it I said dont compair a car you had to thow money at to beat my stock one

but in a head to head the ss was picked over the srt http://www.motortrend.com/roadtests/sedan/112_0505_joysticks/index.html
Yeah, they had to "fudge" the numbers to get he Cobalt SS to "look" like it won. You should have read their "response" to that test when their inboxes were flooded with email from a ton of pissed off people.

looks + perfomance + refinent/ quality = a good car ...if I wanted straight line perfomace on the cheap I would have kept my talon tsi awd and thew $6000 there is more to a car than just speed ...its why when people reveiw cars they test more than just straight line

So your last car was a talon, the picture becomes clearer and the plot thickens...

You admit you like the looks of a cobalt, we already know what kind of taste you have.


and you like the srt 4 ....so we know you have downsyndrom and can relate to it

Yeah, they had to "fudge" the numbers to get he Cobalt SS to "look" like it won. You should have read their "response" to that test when their inboxes were flooded with email from a ton of pissed off people.


i wouldn't even care if it was slower in some areas, its the other things the cobalt offers that make up for its marginaly slower straight line speed

didnt you just say my car was more expensive than yours ...with the acr paccage ...

I didnt say I couldn't thow money at it I said dont compair a car you had to thow money at to beat my stock one

It is more expensive and I could afford it, but I don't like wasting money.

I could beat you with a stock car in anything, I think it's funny you think otherwise.

If you didn't say you couldn't throw money at it, then why don't you? Otherwise you admit your slower then me, so don't talk.

So your last car was a talon, the picture becomes clearer and the plot thickens...


dont think that says allot ...please elaborate

should I be reading into the fact that the last car you owned was your racecar bed

One letter to Motor Trend that demonstrates their "made-up" numbers.

"You listed the quarter mile for the Cobalt at 14.4 seconds yet your 0-100 test shows 15.4. Since the trap speed was just seven-tenths shy of 100 mph, that makes one of those times inaccurate, to say the least. You also have the 0-to-100-mph time for the SRT4 listed at 13.8 seconds, yet the quarter mile at 14.4 seconds at 100 mph. What's going on here? If you compare test data with the quarter-mile times, nothing adds up. Could you please clear this up for me?

Robert, Iowa

We apply a weather correction to all our numbers, so you can compare the numbers generated on different days and in different places. Quarter-mile times and speeds are corrected using actual experimental results obtained in environmental test cells. Then the acceleration times are corrected with a math formula based on those correction factors. Rarely, when the trap speed corrects to an even 10-mile increment, an anomaly occurs, which we manually adjust. We missed that step in this case. The ET trumps the 100-mph time.

- Ed. "

Then ANOTHER letter to Motor Trend and their idiot response:

-----Original Message-----
From:
Sent: Wednesday, March 30, 2005 12:51 PM
To: motortrend@primedia.com
Subject: Motortrend.com email submission


The following form has been submitted:


After reading your current issue of MT where you compare the Cobalt SS and the SRT-4, I have lost all interest in your magazine.

It seems this article showed the winner by what company would pay more in advertising!

Your numbers do not add up!
In respect to your previous test of the SRT-4

0-60 5.5sec & ¼-mile 14.0@102.7mph

This articles comparison

0-60 6.0sec & ¼-mile 14.4sec@100.8mph with a 0-100 at 13.8sec

As for the 1/4-mile run of the SRT-4, I find it hard to believe that it takes that car 0.6sec to go an extra 0.8mph unless your trying to make it look slower then it actually is?

With that being said I will no longer be purchasing your magazines from the stores, also I will be calling close friends and family to halt there purchase/subscription to this tainted magazine.

I doubt the weather had very little if any effect on this outcome, as compared to the money GM provided for this outcome.

Not that I use a magazine to compare what car is better in the real world, I do prefer magazines that will state the facts to their truest form without altering or misrepresenting the fact in someone else's favor


Truly disappointed reader,


Jerrad

This was the response to my email...


What exactly do you have a problem with. That the numbers are not identical to every other SRT we have tested. Or that the car you like, the SRT, lost.
In no way did anyone pay to be named a winner. A statement like that only shows your true intelligence level.

and you like the srt 4 ....so we know you have downsyndrom and can relate to it

I like it because it performs better like I've already said. Also, you admit SRT4s > SS in perfromance. Looks like I got the better deal.

Reading comprehension > you.

i wonder if chevy knew that the neon would completely own the cobalier ss in every way shape and form.

sad if you ask me.

i wouldn't even care if it was slower in some areas, its the other things the cobalt offers that make up for its marginaly slower straight line speed

That's a big margin to fill.

It is more expensive and I could afford it, but I don't like wasting money.

I could beat you with a stock car in anything, I think it's funny you think otherwise.

If you didn't say you couldn't throw money at it, then why don't you? Otherwise you admit your slower then me, so don't talk.

I dont really feel I need to thow money at a car that meets my needs ..I may thow a pully and intake on but I really am not that concerned with beating souped up srt's at the light ...

dont think that says allot ...please elaborate

should I be reading into the fact that the last car you owned was your racecar bed

You were tired of your shitboxes messed up and garbage filled interior so you upgraded to an equally slow, yet more refined car.

I like it because it performs better like I've already said. Also, you admit SRT4s > SS in perfromance. Looks like I got the better deal.

Reading comprehension > you.

STRAIGHT LINE PERFORMANCE ...who cant read now

I dont really feel I need to thow money at a car that meets my needs ..I may thow a pully and intake on but I really am not that concerned with beating souped up srt's at the light ...

So you admit my car > your car.

STRAIGHT LINE PERFORMANCE ...who cant read now

read the test data, CD owned your car in every test by an SRT.

i wonder if chevy knew that the neon would completely own the cobalier ss in every way shape and form.

sad if you ask me.


since its better in every way except straight line perfomance ..I think they will be able to sleep well at night

It's that stupid supercharger they put on it. If they had thought things through the first time and not been "cheap" or "scared" about it, they would have turbocharged it.

This was the response to my email...


What exactly do you have a problem with. That the numbers are not identical to every other SRT we have tested. Or that the car you like, the SRT, lost.
In no way did anyone pay to be named a winner. A statement like that only shows your true intelligence level.
That was Motor Trend's response?

They comment on your intelligence level, yet manage to send you a grammatical disaster.

Boycott Motor Trend.

since its better in every way except straight line perfomance ..I think they will be able to sleep well at night

Only according to you.

I've been meaning to ask you, why is your car colored "Victory Red"? You guys have interior races out by you?

since its better in every way except straight line perfomance ..I think they will be able to sleep well at night
that gets a real chuckle seeing as how the SS lost on the road course too

whats that?
yep.

owned.

I dont really feel I need to thow money at a car that meets my needs ..I may thow a pully and intake on but I really am not that concerned with beating souped up srt's at the light ...
Sad, so sad. All an SRT-4 owner needs to run more boost is a silly screendoor spring to boost their whp by about 10-15. A Cobalt SS/SC owner needs all kinds of ECU reprogamming, a CAI, and a pulley to get that.

You guys have interior races out by you?
The RSX-S must have awesome ETs...

The RSX-S must have awesome ETs...

Only from a roll...

One letter to Motor Trend that demonstrates their "made-up" numbers.

"You listed the quarter mile for the Cobalt at 14.4 seconds yet your 0-100 test shows 15.4. Since the trap speed was just seven-tenths shy of 100 mph, that makes one of those times inaccurate, to say the least. You also have the 0-to-100-mph time for the SRT4 listed at 13.8 seconds, yet the quarter mile at 14.4 seconds at 100 mph. What's going on here? If you compare test data with the quarter-mile times, nothing adds up. Could you please clear this up for me?

Robert, Iowa

We apply a weather correction to all our numbers, so you can compare the numbers generated on different days and in different places. Quarter-mile times and speeds are corrected using actual experimental results obtained in environmental test cells. Then the acceleration times are corrected with a math formula based on those correction factors. Rarely, when the trap speed corrects to an even 10-mile increment, an anomaly occurs, which we manually adjust. We missed that step in this case. The ET trumps the 100-mph time.

- Ed. "

Then ANOTHER letter to Motor Trend and their idiot response:

-----Original Message-----
From:
Sent: Wednesday, March 30, 2005 12:51 PM
To: motortrend@primedia.com
Subject: Motortrend.com email submission


The following form has been submitted:


After reading your current issue of MT where you compare the Cobalt SS and the SRT-4, I have lost all interest in your magazine.

It seems this article showed the winner by what company would pay more in advertising!

Your numbers do not add up!
In respect to your previous test of the SRT-4

0-60 5.5sec & ¼-mile 14.0@102.7mph

This articles comparison

0-60 6.0sec & ¼-mile 14.4sec@100.8mph with a 0-100 at 13.8sec

As for the 1/4-mile run of the SRT-4, I find it hard to believe that it takes that car 0.6sec to go an extra 0.8mph unless your trying to make it look slower then it actually is?

With that being said I will no longer be purchasing your magazines from the stores, also I will be calling close friends and family to halt there purchase/subscription to this tainted magazine.

I doubt the weather had very little if any effect on this outcome, as compared to the money GM provided for this outcome.

Not that I use a magazine to compare what car is better in the real world, I do prefer magazines that will state the facts to their truest form without altering or misrepresenting the fact in someone else's favor


Truly disappointed reader,


Jerrad

This was the response to my email...


What exactly do you have a problem with. That the numbers are not identical to every other SRT we have tested. Or that the car you like, the SRT, lost.
In no way did anyone pay to be named a winner. A statement like that only shows your true intelligence level.

wow some articles on straight line speed ..I'm not talking about that ..the cobalt won becasue of other things. its truley a shame motor trend got allot of srt fanboys to email them. It really goes to show that if you complain about a test you must be correct.

youde think since the srt4 has been out for near 3 years now....
that since chevy tried to copy it they wouldve at least been able to make a car with EQUAL if not better performance since they new what they were up against.

way to go chevy.

wow some articles on straight line speed ..I'm not talking about that ..the cobalt won becasue of other things. its truley a shame motor trend got allot of srt fanboys to email them. It really goes to show that if you complain about a test you must be correct.

What "other things" made the cobalt win?

the cobalt won becasue of other things. its truley a shame motor trend got allot of srt fanboys to email them. It really goes to show that if you complain about a test you must be correct.
The Cobalt won in a tainted test.

From now on, no one cares about Motor Trend's results. We no longer accept Motor Trend's mag racing results.

Thank you, come again.

wow some articles on straight line speed ..I'm not talking about that ..the cobalt won becasue of other things. its truley a shame motor trend got allot of srt fanboys to email them. It really goes to show that if you complain about a test you must be correct.
Moron, look at the NUMBERS! The guy even told them they were off on the Cobalt times too. Basically the guy said the E.T trumps the 0-100 times, meaning the EDITOR ADMITS THE COBALT IS SLOWER.
Reading comprehension > you

Sad, so sad. All an SRT-4 owner needs to run more boost is a silly screendoor spring to boost their whp by about 10-15. A Cobalt SS/SC owner needs all kinds of ECU reprogamming, a CAI, and a pulley to get that.

hey wow thats impressive ..and it would make sense ..since the srt is made with about the same qulaity parts as screen doors ...is it just the srt owners talking about which is easier to mod ..oh thats right it is ..nobody else is talking about that

"enviornmental test cells"....WTF are those?
That's like "correcting" a 1/4 mile time for "altitude".
Hmmm....I notice Sport Compact Car (SCC) doesn't do any of that bullshit.
They slap computers on the cars and just GO!

hey wow thats impressive ..and it would make sense ..since the srt is made with about the same qulaity parts as screen doors ...is it just the srt owners talking about which is easier to mod ..oh thats right it is ..nobody else is talking about that

Damn, I wish my screen door had a turbocharger.

is it just the srt owners talking about which is easier to mod ..oh thats right it is ..nobody else is talking about that
Hey, the SRT4 is much easier to mod.

Now it isn't only SRT4 owners talking about how easy they are to mod.

...is it just the srt owners talking about which is easier to mod ..oh thats right it is ..nobody else is talking about that
why would a cobalier owner talk about that?
its just another way the srt4 is superior.

of course yall wouldnt bring it up.

hey wow thats impressive ..and it would make sense ..since the srt is made with about the same qulaity parts as screen doors ...is it just the srt owners talking about which is easier to mod ..oh thats right it is ..nobody else is talking about that
Sad thing is, the $4,000 twincharger systems that will come out (and yes they WILL cost you around $4,000 total to get it "tuned" right) STILL won't have the WHP of a MOPAR Stage 3R kit on an SRT-4.
GM is pathetic.

why would a cobalier owner talk about that?
its just another way the srt4 is superior.

of course yall wouldnt bring it up.

Because he is in an arguement equal to someone argueing that the sky is red and not blue.

cobalt ss owner & friend:

friend: hey look its an srt4 lets race it!
owner: lets go! hes going down!
friend: ummmm why are his tail lights getting smaller and smaller?
owner: NO hang on.. WAIT ... look...
owner: look here in the magazine, right here it says my car is better
friend: what?

Sad thing is, the $4,000 twincharger systems that will come out (and yes they WILL cost you around $4,000 total to get it "tuned" right) STILL won't have the WHP of a MOPAR Stage 3R kit on an SRT-4.
GM is pathetic.
Correct me if I'm wrong, but doesn't the Mopar Stage 3 retain the factory warranty and only cost ~3k too.

cobalt ss owner & friend:

friend: hey look its an srt4 lets race it!
owner: lets go! hes going down!
friend: ummmm why are his tail lights getting smaller and smaller?
owner: NO hang on.. WAIT ... look...
owner: look here in the magazine, right here it says my car is better
friend: what?
owner: my car is more refined too. i <3 my interior.

What "other things" made the cobalt win?

how about some of the things I have allready mentioned over and over ...

seems you guys just arent going to accept that the srt's straight line speed does not make up for its shortcommings (interior, styling, refinement)

Correct me if I'm wrong, but doesn't the Mopar Stage 3 retain the factory warranty and only cost ~3k too.
depending on the dealership....

yes.

seems you guys just arent going to accept that the srt's straight line speed does not make up for its shortcommings (interior, styling, refinement)
OMG HAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAH
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AHAHAHHAHAHAHAH
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HHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA

ricer.
hope that interior keeps you comfortable when getting raped in street races.

cobalt ss owner & friend:

friend: hey look its an srt4 lets race it!
owner: lets go! hes going down!
friend: ummmm why are his tail lights getting smaller and smaller?
owner: NO hang on.. WAIT ... look...
owner: look here in the magazine, right here it says my car is better
friend: what?


yeah the guys in the cobalt wont be so mad when they realize that they wont suck each other off when they get in the distance of the other car ....


this little plot you have posted was one of the most homosexual things I have seen

how about some of the things I have allready mentioned over and over ...

seems you guys just arent going to accept that the srt's straight line speed does not make up for its shortcommings (interior, styling, refinement)
It's a SPORT COMPACT! Sport compacts are NOT refined.

Styling is opinion. I prefer the SRT4.

Interior goes along with refinement.

The ONLY arguement you have left is that your shift kob doesn't come off uner spirited driving situations.

Go ahead, use that arguement next. Get shot down, again.

OMG HAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAH
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AHAHAHHAHAHAHAH
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HHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA

ricer.
hope that interior keeps you comfortable when getting raped in street races.


what % of the time do you spend racing your car

yeah the guys in the cobalt wont be so mad when they realize that they wont suck each other off when they get in the distance of the other car ....
Huh?

Now we revert to insults and gay jokes. Typical. Can't provide a strong arguement. Now tell them there mothers are whores.

what % of the time do you spend racing your car
Racing or accelerating in straight lines?

It's a SPORT COMPACT! Sport compacts are NOT refined.

Styling is opinion. I prefer the SRT4.

Interior goes along with refinement.

The ONLY arguement you have left is that your shift kob doesn't come off uner spirited driving situations.

Go ahead, use that arguement next. Get shot down, again.


refinment of chassi ect ..interior on its own plane

what argument the shift knob ...thats not a big deal happens on Lambo's all the time ...besides srt owners are used to getting and giving knob all the time

what % of the time do you spend racing your car
in which car?

besides srt owners are used to getting and giving knob all the time
Now we revert to insults and gay jokes. Typical. Can't provide a strong arguement. Now tell them there mothers are whores.
I called it.

Huh?

Now we revert to insults and gay jokes. Typical. Can't provide a strong arguement. Now tell them there mothers are whores.

I allready got a mom joke but really was that plot that was posted a strog argument ...no it was not ..it was something truly gay

in which car?


not your race car bed the other one your srt

I allready got a mom joke but really was that plot that was posted a strog argument ...no it was not ..it was something truly gay
I enjoyed it.

not your race car bed the other one your srt
every time i drive it
i only drive it go race.

was there a point to this?

Racing or accelerating in straight lines?


racing ....you guys are making an argument that I will be so disapointed when I get beat street racing an srt ...like thats the benchmark of a great car ...so what that other 98 % of the time when I am not street racing I can be in my superior car evein if you beat me in a straight line by a few tenths of a second

Man now I read it all,

If I want luxury,I'll get a Lexus.
If i want A midsize car, Hmm I get the SRT8 Charger
If I want a two door, I get an RX-8, but then i be labeled gay... :rolleyes:

Oh & isn't it a four door, In that case SRT... :D

Man now I read it all,

If I want luxury,I'll get a Lexus.
If i want A midsize car, Hmm I get the SRT8 Charger
If I want a two door, I get an RX-8, but then i be labeled gay... :rolleyes:

Oh & isn't it a four door, In that case SRT... :D
If you want refinement, get a BMW.
If you want interior, get a high end Acura.
If you want domestic FI 4cylinder performance, buy an SRT4.

I enjoyed it.

point proven ...you enjoyed something extremly homosexual

racing ....you guys are making an argument that I will be so disapointed when I get beat street racing an srt ...like thats the benchmark of a great car ...so what that other 98 % of the time when I am not street racing I can be in my superior car evein if you beat me in a straight line by a few tenths of a second
well you obviously didnt care about performance when you got your car...
so who cares if you lose in a street race.

If you want refinement, get a BMW.
If you want interior, get a high end Acura.
If you want domestic FI 4cylinder performance, buy an SRT4.


or if you want the best balance for an afordable price get a cobalt ss

point proven ...you enjoyed something extremly homosexual
Enter poor insults...

or if you want the best balance for an afordable price get a cobalt ss
LMFAO
keep trying to justify your purchase

this is hilarious

well you obviously didnt care about performance when you got your car...
so who cares if you lose in a street race.


i do care about perfomance but I wont sacrafice other things I care about just as much for a few tenths better in the 1/4


I bet 350z owners cry at night when they get beat by a srt ..or they dont care becasue they know their car offers allot more in other areas

If you want refinement, get a BMW.
If you want interior, get a high end Acura.
If you want domestic FI 4cylinder performance, buy an SRT4.


BMW, no thanks, Went right to the unreliable scale, Acura so-so
SRT4 OK

LMFAO
keep trying to justify your purchase

this is hilarious

I dont have to ...trying to justify a purchase is clinging to straight line acceleration as the purpose of a car ...

i do care about perfomance but I wont sacrafice other things I care about just as much for a few tenths better in the 1/4


I bet 350z owners cry at night when they get beat by a srt ..or they dont care becasue they know their car offers allot more in other areas
if you had a 350z maybe your point would actually matter.

every time i drive it
i only drive it go race.

was there a point to this?
c7015...

i answered your question....

no response eh?

if you had a 350z maybe your point would actually matter.

what would be the difference ... shouldnet I still feel the same way when I see those tail lights ...since its only straight line performace that counts

I wonder how a heavy 305 HP vehicle will do against an SS or SRT

what would be the difference ... shouldnet I still feel the same way when I see those tail lights ...since its only straight line performace that counts
ignorant. lol

350z owners OBVIOUSLY did not have performance in mind when they made their purchase.
i guess thats what they have in common with cobalier owners.

c7015...

i answered your question....

no response eh?


sorry I missed it ...

well clearly we bought cars for differnt reasons ...buying the cheaper, eaiser to mod, higher horsepower car to strictly race it is justified ...you failed to mention that before ...if its a 100 % track car I have no problems since you wont care about it being refined or what track car looks the best. I wasent arguing that ....my argument is stock for stock as a car you have to live with ...

sorry I missed it ...

well clearly we bought cars for differnt reasons ...buying the cheaper, eaiser to mod, higher horsepower car to strictly race it is justified ...you failed to mention that before ...if its a 100 % track car I have no problems since you wont care about it being refined or what track car looks the best. I wasent arguing that ....my argument is stock for stock as a car you have to live with ...
i used to drive it everyday...
and being able to rape modded z06's, cobra's, etc sure beats having a different cheap interior that is SLIGHTLY better than my cheap interior.

i used to drive it everyday...
and being able to rape modded z06's, cobra's, etc sure beats having a different cheap interior that is SLIGHTLY better than my cheap interior.

so by using it every day ..and only using it to race ...what do you do burn out of your garrage and dont lift off the pedal ...contradict yourseslf some more

so by using it every day ..and only using it to race ...what do you do burn out of your garrage and dont lift off the pedal ...contradict yourseslf some more
thats why i said i USED to drive it everyday.
now i only drive it to race.

now i know why they were making fun of your non-existant comprehension skills earlier LMAO
idiot

thats why i said i USED to drive it everyday.
now i only drive it to race.

now i know why they were making fun of your non-existant comprehension skills earlier LMAO
idiot


so who cares what you used to do ... the srt used to be a good choice before the cobalt ss came about and was a better all around package

so who cares what you used to do ... the srt used to be a good choice before the cobalt ss came about and was a better all around package
translation: its ok to buy a cobalt if you dont care about performance.

translation: its ok to buy a cobalt if you dont care about performance.

I'm with myfault with this one.

Only 1 thing matters on the street or the track. Who wins the race.

you don't win races with nice interior, fancy bodykit, woodgrain interior.

you don't win races with nice interior, fancy bodykit, woodgrain interior.
but they make you feel better about losing.
just ask c7015

wow....some cobalt owners already using the interior excuse to justify its lack of ball under the hood.....come on now, thats the rsx type s's job....be original now, come on...

I would rather have a Cobalt SS.... over a SRT-4 there is nothing wrong with them it is just i HATE 4 doors.

wow....some cobalt owners already using the interior excuse to justify its lack of ball under the hood.....come on now, thats the rsx type s's job....be original now, come on...


HAHAAHAHAHAA!!!!

I would rather have a Cobalt SS.... over a SRT-4 there is nothing wrong with them it is just i HATE 4 doors.


was like that tooo....i enjoy it now though...especially since im usually the one driving when we go somewhere, none of my friends want to drive, all want to go in mine

was like that tooo....i enjoy it now though...especially since im usually the one driving when we go somewhere, none of my friends want to drive, all want to go in mine


I have driven 4 door car and they just bother the hell out of me because there is a blind spot that all four doors have and i have been driven a camaro the entire time that i have been driveing so..... yeah...

I have driven 4 door car and they just bother the hell out of me because there is a blind spot that all four doors have and i have been driven a camaro the entire time that i have been driveing so..... yeah...
Have you ever driven a CSS? That car has a blind spot from hell! Didn't mean to stray off subject though.....carry on. :)

Have you ever driven a CSS? That car has a blind spot from hell! Didn't mean to stray off subject though.....carry on. :)

Not yet, but it might have the same one that my camaro got is it on the driver side right behind the window?

translation: its ok to buy a cobalt if you dont care about performance.


yeah those extra fractions of seconds make the difference between zero performance and the holy grail of performance srt

I'm with myfault with this one.

Only 1 thing matters on the street or the track. Who wins the race.

you don't win races with nice interior, fancy bodykit, woodgrain interior.


and since you obviously spend all your time racing ...the other aspects of a car dont even matter to you ....

also show me some ss/sc cobalts with woodgrain

cobalt owners arent using it as an excuse to make up for being slower ..it seems that srt oweners cant argue that their car is better in any other way except straight line ...evey time I bring up a point your agument agaisnt it is ...well mine beats yours by this fraction of a second ..its absolute shit if you think thats the only aspect of a cars worth

and since you obviously spend all your time racing ...the other aspects of a car dont even matter to you ....

also show me some ss/sc cobalts with woodgrain

cobalt owners arent using it as an excuse to make up for being slower ..it seems that srt oweners cant argue that their car is better in any other way except straight line ...evey time I bring up a point your agument agaisnt it is ...well mine beats yours by this fraction of a second ..its absolute shit if you think thats the only aspect of a cars worth

Actually SRTs are faster in a straight line, in the cones, and on a roadcourse.

Bottom line is man made car to go from point A to point B faster than walking on foot. An SRT4 gets from point A to point B faster than an SS due to it's higher performance, therefore the SRT4 > SS.

Like myfault said, you better be comfortable in your nice interior while you get ass raped over, and over, and over, and over again.

raven..get the f*ck off this site if you're gonna be a trolling dick. You sound like the boys on the srtforums.

I'm with myfault with this one.

Only 1 thing matters on the street or the track. Who wins the race.

you don't win races with nice interior, fancy bodykit, woodgrain interior.


so you drive a beat up car with no interior and a 1200hp motor? the motor actually being worth about $20,000 and the car worth $800 :D

raven..get the f*ck off this site if you're gonna be a trolling dick. You sound like the boys on the srtforums.


yep.. it's getting annoying to see these guys coming over here. oj / L8shift and some of the others here are great.. but man some of those kids that their parents never beat them... damn they need to go away

yep.. it's getting annoying to see these guys coming over here. oj / L8shift and some of the others here are great..
Don't forget mm_omega2.

man raven was on here for like 6 hrs. dose he even own a car?

Actually SRTs are faster in a straight line, in the cones, and on a roadcourse.

Bottom line is man made car to go from point A to point B faster than walking on foot. An SRT4 gets from point A to point B faster than an SS due to it's higher performance, therefore the SRT4 > SS.

Like myfault said, you better be comfortable in your nice interior while you get ass raped over, and over, and over, and over again.


I think we allready went over the fact that the cobalt was better through the cones ..I provided evidence ..you came back with ...MY Neon IS FAST in the one dimentional way. thats why you find the only sutable function of your car to race people in a line.

so you drive a beat up car with no interior and a 1200hp motor? the motor actually being worth about $20,000 and the car worth $800 :D

whoever wins the race man. Doesn't matter if i'm sitting on a milkcrate bolted to the floorpan.

faster = better.

raven..get the f*ck off this site if you're gonna be a trolling dick. You sound like the boys on the srtforums.

I know you are but what am I?

yep.. it's getting annoying to see these guys coming over here. oj / L8shift and some of the others here are great.. but man some of those kids that their parents never beat them... damn they need to go away

Why is it annoying? Just venture your candy ass into another section so your pussy won't leak as much. It's just a few clicks away, I'm sure you're capable.

man raven was on here for like 6 hrs. dose he even own a car?

Yes an SRT4, and yes I've been here all day getting paid to make fun of idiots. Life is great!

I think we allready went over the fact that the cobalt was better through the cones ..I provided evidence ..you came back with ...MY Neon IS FAST in the one dimentional way. thats why you find the only sutable function of your car to race people in a line.

CD test results are not facts, get over it.

so you drive a beat up car with no interior and a 1200hp motor? the motor actually being worth about $20,000 and the car worth $800 :D

I wish I did, but instead alot of the money on my sticker price went to other areas. My motor is less than 20 grand.

whoever wins the race man. Doesn't matter if i'm sitting on a milkcrate bolted to the floorpan.

faster = better.

Amen to that.

I know you are but what am I?


what the f*ck is your deal moron? you should take your stupidity elsewhere, not one persoan around here wants to hear that childish bullshit other than yourself.. someone ban his ass or something damn

Yes an SRT4, and yes I've been here all day getting paid to make fun of idiots. Life is great!


you just never stop.... your parent's didn't beat you enough as a child appearently

Hey now i think it more or less comes down to this THE DRIVER of the SRT-4 or the SS makes all of the difference in the world. So IMO it all comes down to how well the driver can handle the car.

CD test results are not facts, get over it.


and motor trend ..and so far every mag I have read

Yes an SRT4, and yes I've been here all day getting paid to make fun of idiots. Life is great!


didnt know they had internet hookup at the Mcdonalds drive thru

whoever wins the race man. Doesn't matter if i'm sitting on a milkcrate bolted to the floorpan.

faster = better.


that basically sums up a srt then ...

what the f*ck is your deal moron? you should take your stupidity elsewhere, not one persoan around here wants to hear that childish bullshit other than yourself.. someone ban his ass or something damn

If you or anyone else doesn't want to read it, then you or anyone else can goto a different thread. So eat me.

you just never stop.... your parent's didn't beat you enough as a child appearently

thanks Dr. Phil

Hey now i think it more or less comes down to this THE DRIVER of the SRT-4 or the SS makes all of the difference in the world. So IMO it all comes down to how well the driver can handle the car.

True statement. I've seen an 04 cobra run 14s...

and motor trend ..and so far every mag I have read

thanks for the info magazine racer. go swing somewhere else.

If you or anyone else doesn't want to read it, then you or anyone else can goto a different thread. So eat me.


don't get angry at your own medicine... posting ignorant statements on here with an iq level directly corresponding with your post count just makes you look bad, not me

didnt know they had internet hookup at the Mcdonalds drive thru

neither did I, when did you come to realize this? take your daughter to work day?

that basically sums up a srt then ...

fast, shocking I know

*insert interior response here*

i'm guessing raven is at work form the way he is talking and they are running static ip's, someone should just ban that ip until i can get the hash code over to you

thanks for the info magazine racer. go swing somewhere else.


oh sorry I didnt see you post any real world info ... at least with a mag you have some form of evidence of what a car is capable of ...unlike the hear say bullshit you have posted, when mags publish somthing over and over there is usually truth to it ..

don't get angry at your own medicine... posting ignorant statements on here with an iq level directly corresponding with your post count just makes you look bad, not me

Who is getting angry? Thanks for pointing out this site has a post count.

i'm guessing raven is at work form the way he is talking and they are running static ip's, someone should just ban that ip until i can get the hash code over to you

I'm not at work. So ban me, I'd like to know what for.

oh sorry I didnt see you post any real world info ... at least with a mag you have some form of evidence of what a car is capable of ...unlike the hear say bullshit you have posted, when mags publish somthing over and over there is usually truth to it ..

Right, keep telling yourself your car runs 14s when you get your first 15 second timeslip.

I have numerous 13 second slips from my damn near stock car, do you?

neither did I, when did you come to realize this? take your daughter to work day?


yeah we swung through the drive through to get some breakfast and saw you desperatly trying to make a point on the ss cobalt forum, on what was no doubt a 12 hour day so you can pay off your ugly milk cart racer that you only race in any direction that dosn't have a radius ....did I miss anything ?

yeah we swung through the drive through to get some breakfast and saw you desperatly trying to make a point on the ss cobalt forum, on what was no doubt a 12 hour day so you can pay off your ugly milk cart racer that you only race in any direction that dosn't have a radius ....did I miss anything ?

I autoX and have video proof, like I've previously stated before. Once again, reading comprehension > you.

Search, then post. You suck at the internet.

yeah we swung through the drive through to get some breakfast and saw you desperatly trying to make a point on the ss cobalt forum, on what was no doubt a 12 hour day so you can pay off your ugly milk cart racer that you only race in any direction that dosn't have a radius ....did I miss anything ?

Also my car may be ugly, but it was stock, is now, and always will be faster than your cobalier.

Also my car may be ugly, but it was stock, is now, and always will be faster than your cobalier.
quick and to the point.

Also my car may be ugly, but it was stock, is now, and always will be faster than your cobalier.


faster in a line

I autoX and have video proof, like I've previously stated before. Once again, reading comprehension > you.

Search, then post. You suck at the internet.


i have yet to see this proof, and I did read when you claimed your modded car was taken to the autox ...still waiting on the proof ...

http://www.cscvidz.com/videos/cscautocross2.zip

I'm the black with black stripes.

Owned, just like your car will be if you ever meet me on any road or track.

Also don't believe that's my car? Post on ChicagolandSRTclub.com or the SRTforums.com.

Bitch.

Also my car may be ugly, but it was stock, is now, and always will be faster than your cobalier.


your car is ugly and are you trying to say your car is still stock ??

your car is ugly and are you trying to say your car is still stock ??

no, but when I was stock I was still faster than you. You have any vids or timeslips of your car?

Didn't think so.

no, but when I was stock I was still faster than you. You have any vids or timeslips of your car?

Didn't think so.

it was faster in a straight line ...

do i have vids or timeslips ...I got the car last wednessday ...but I have quite a good idea of what the car is capable of.

Also being almost positive that I have spent more time behind the wheel of both cars than you ...since I sincerly doubt that you have driven an SS

it was faster in a straight line ...

do i have vids or timeslips ...I got the car last wednessday ...but I have quite a good idea of what the car is capable of.

Also being almost positive that I have spent more time behind the wheel of both cars than you ...since I sincerly doubt that you have driven an SS

You claim that I'm only faster in a straight line yet I have raced my car and you haven't raced yours. Your just another magazine ricer, you know nothing of what your car is capable of.

I've never driven a cobalt SS, nor have I driven a beretta. That doesn't chage the fact that they are < me.

http://www.cscvidz.com/videos/cscautocross2.zip

I'm the black with black stripes.

Owned, just like your car will be if you ever meet me on any road or track.

yeah would you be so proud if you beat me with your Nitrous in my stock Cobalt SS ...thats quite a feat ..idiot

yeah would you be so proud if you beat me with your Nitrous in my stock Cobalt SS ...thats quite a feat ..idiot

Actually I'm currently without juice, as a 75 shot would be useless on a course that I stayed in 2nd gear the whole time.

Also thanks for posting the obvious too.

http://www.cscvidz.com/videos/cscautocross2.zip

I'm the black with black stripes.

Owned, just like your car will be if you ever meet me on any road or track.


wow that was some proof ..I really saw you taking it to the cobalts ..all that proves is that when your not asking if people want fries with thier order your are driving through pilons with no timed results of any kind.





Bitch