hey guys, i got bashed on ss.net and claimed im lying about this, but whatever... just thought i'd share with you guys...

I have that other video of me beating that WRX, so I thought I would see how I do against an STI... so I found this STI and was messin with it and he took a right onto a street and I turned right after him... and we both hit it as soon as I finished the turn.... so he started out in front of me... and it was broad day light so im not to fond of goin that fast in the daytime. So i shut down at like 85 mph... but man, he wasnt movin much.... from 20 mph to 85, he prolly only gained a foot or two.... if that... it was close. I have the vid to show ya guys too... Keep in mind, he started in front of me....my little bro didn't start the camera till i chriped into second.... so check it out.

http://thumbs.streetfire.net/A57D20E5-3BA6-4FD0-9D9B-CF63FD1E0119.jpg (http://videos.streetfire.net/Player.aspx?fileid=A57D20E5-3BA6-4FD0-9D9B-CF63FD1E0119)Click here to see Video (http://videos.streetfire.net/Player.aspx?fileid=A57D20E5-3BA6-4FD0-9D9B-CF63FD1E0119)

Your point?
You're the one in 1st place!

the STi was driving normally...
you were racing.

way to hang with it....

lol iball..............................

who races with 4 people in the car?

Why would you think that it's an STI? If you look at the video you can see he can pull on you at will!!


Here is the best one, I have an STI and we live close to each other :D you can film us race for real and then rethink this thread :eek:


Went to GLD Saturday and not one Cobalt :(

who races with 4 people in the car?seriously/.........

Lol didnt start enough trouble?

It could be an Sti but, in no way did you "win" that race....you started behind and stayed there, you hung with him which is a compliment to your car, but you by no means won.

End of discussion.

Lol didnt start enough trouble?

It could be an Sti but, in no way did you "win" that race....you started behind and stayed there, you hung with him which is a compliment to your car, but you by no means won.

dude, i NEVER once said I won... I even said he was pulling away from me.... I was stating the fact that I hung with one for quite some time...

that wasn't an STI

Ah, my mistake then, I thought I read the title as "won race with an Sti or something"...Neeeevermind.

But the rest of my post still applies.

upon futher view of the vid... i wanna say its not a STI either... probably just a regular WRX....

and whats the big deal about hanging with another car.. its like bragging you came in second...

that wasn't an STI
That's the first thing I noticed, it was a wrx. Not wanting to brust your bubble, STI is a monster & out of your reach. I repeat, do not race with 4,3,2 people in your car. It's extra weight, & you're risking other peoples lives. A srt stock would get it's ass handed to it by a stock sti, so don't feel bad, that's what mods are for!!! :D If you think racing one from a roll is tuff, try it from a dig, be ready to see taillights, 1.6-1.8 60ft times, you're going to be playing a game of catch up!!! :cool:Next race try a 1\4 tank of gas, & by yourself, its your best chance!!!

http://www.allposters.com/IMAGES/PF/PF_973366.jpg
It does matter if you win by an inch or a mile winning is winning

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Got It... slow poke!
:D

Somebody is so going to freeze your vid when you turn around & put owned over forehead!

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That's the first thing I noticed, it was a wrx. Not wanting to brust your bubble, STI is a monster & out of your reach. I repeat, do not race with 4,3,2 people in your car. It's extra weight, & you're risking other peoples lives. A srt stock would get it's ass handed to it by a stock sti, so don't feel bad, that's what mods are for!!! :D If you think racing one from a roll is tuff, try it from a dig, be ready to see taillights, 1.6-1.8 60ft times, you're going to be playing a game of catch up!!! :cool:Next race try a 1\4 tank of gas, & by yourself, its your best chance!!!

funny so now everyone knows he got own3ed by a WRX (not a STI)..sad but true....

:cool:Next race try a 1\4 tank of gas, & by yourself, its your best chance!!!



ahahahahahahahaha... I didn't even catch that!

A srt stock would get it's ass handed to it by a stock sti, so don't feel bad, that's what mods are for!!! :D

Actually thats misinformed. From a roll such as in that video, a stock SRT would have stayed right behind a stock STi all the way to 130.

I'm guessing that was a lightly modded WRX and an overloaded CSS, so the WRX was able to pull away some.

damn man.. you couldn't just let it die in that forum???? lol you should heed my advice and take it down, even the guys in your car say it's not an sti... i'm sure between the dozens of car gurus around here, someone is right lol..... i like the idea of making that the new face of a "Pwned" video... lol

haha, guess he thought he wouldn't get bashed about it here. if you woulda kept going he woulda kept on pulling on you. to get pulled 2 ft from 20-85mph is alot. you are lucky and stopped at 85 cuz he woulda just kept pulling on you HARD.

i like that idea of putting pwned on his forehead as he looked back. lol

Actually thats misinformed. From a roll such as in that video, a stock SRT would have stayed right behind a stock STi all the way to 130.

I'm guessing that was a lightly modded WRX and an overloaded CSS, so the WRX was able to pull away some.
The key word is right behind, Stock 4 stock sti > srt, from a roll you have a chance :rolleyes: if he misses a gear, from a dig, you're done!!! You stay in michigan, so do I, metro detroit area, aka downriver. I have raced many evo's & sti's, but then again, I ain't stock. Even with all my mods, you'll still see taillights in the first 3 gears, I'm sorry, that's the truth. :D From a roll it's lights out for evo's & sti's, unless they're pushing some serious boost numbers!!!

Edit the vid NOW...B4 ITS TOO LATE... :D

the "STI" was probably in 4 or 5th gear just crusing along and didn't want you to pass. plus coming up on someone like that and going WOT isn't a real race dude. way to be a ricer.

the "STI" was probably in 4 or 5th gear just crusing along and didn't want you to pass. plus coming up on someone like that and going WOT isn't a real race dude. way to be a ricer.


OWNED!!!!!!!!!!!!!

the "STI" was probably in 4 or 5th gear just crusing along and didn't want you to pass. plus coming up on someone like that and going WOT isn't a real race dude. way to be a ricer.

yup yup this man speaks the truth. if you were smart you wouldn't have posted that vid and say you beat an sti when you had 4 people in you car total common sense man use your head that shit just ain't ganna happen. if it was just you in the car and that happend yeah i could be leave it but not with a full car of people. Oh yeah and stock for stock srt-4's are faster than evos and sti's from a roll. compare there trap speeds than compare there 0-100 time and 60-100 times and you'll see from a roll the srt-4 has that shit on lock.

^^^ but how many "STOCK" EVO's or STI's do you run into.... you guys better stop this damn magazine racing.... its gonna get your feelings hurt... or worse embarrased when you're racing....

real world>magazine racing...... :eek:

^^^ but how many "STOCK" EVO's or STI's do you run into.... you guys better stop this damn magazine racing.... its gonna get your feelings hurt... or worse embarrased when you're racing....

real world>magazine racing...... :eek:


You dont understand man, when I race in the streets against a fake STI which was actually a 2.5rs, its alot better than Leguna Seca racing...


Duh huh huh huh uhuh uhhuh

:D

Go to love them ricers!!

yup yup this man speaks the truth. if you were smart you wouldn't have posted that vid and say you beat an sti when you had 4 people in you car total common sense man use your head that shit just ain't ganna happen. if it was just you in the car and that happend yeah i could be leave it but not with a full car of people. Oh yeah and stock for stock srt-4's are faster than evos and sti's from a roll. compare there trap speeds than compare there 0-100 time and 60-100 times and you'll see from a roll the srt-4 has that shit on lock. And do you own a srt??? I do, with stg2, full exhaust, intake, sts, and a few goodies. Stock 4 stock, you will get your ass handed to you by sti-evo. I know, i own 1. If you want to know what it runs? Best time on the stock bfg 6inch pizza cutter is 13.42 at 107.2, I couldn't put the power down in 1-2 gears, with slicks 12's are within reach. I was trapping higher that every evo out at the track that day except the mr evo, which ran 13.09 at 109, that's what awd gets you, but I don't mind leaving smoke trails from the wheel wells!! Stock srt on that day didn't even break into the 13's, more like 14.4 98mph, so don't bench race, it's a different story when you go to the track, slips don't lie. Ya from a roll srt's are strong, but let me tell you evo's-sti's are pretty strong from a roll, and a MF from a dig. I can't even get a sub 2.0 60ft time, evo's-sti's can do 1.8 with a shitty driver & in the rain. I put out 270-290whp depending on gas, and son I run quite a few down, but there are 1's that will chew me up and spill me out. Don't go with what mag's say, they're a bunch of oppinionated asswipes, and their times are as reliable as a catholic priest. :D

yup yup this man speaks the truth. if you were smart you wouldn't have posted that vid and say you beat an sti when you had 4 people in you car total common sense man use your head that shit just ain't ganna happen. if it was just you in the car and that happend yeah i could be leave it but not with a full car of people. Oh yeah and stock for stock srt-4's are faster than evos and sti's from a roll. compare there trap speeds than compare there 0-100 time and 60-100 times and you'll see from a roll the srt-4 has that shit on lock.


I don't know were you got or get your info from but know way will a stock SRT-4 hang with A stock STi from a roll, it's not going to happen!!! Even thinking a CobaltSS with one person in it could hang with an STi is showing normal people you don't have common since!!

And do you own a srt??? I do, with stg2, full exhaust, intake, sts, and a few goodies. Stock 4 stock, you will get your ass handed to you by sti-evo. I know, i own 1. If you want to know what it runs? Best time on the stock bfg 6inch pizza cutter is 13.42 at 107.2, I couldn't put the power down in 1-2 gears, with slicks 12's are within reach. I was trapping higher that every evo out at the track that day except the mr evo, which ran 13.09 at 109, that's what awd gets you, but I don't mind leaving smoke trails from the wheel wells!! Stock srt on that day didn't even break into the 13's, more like 14.4 98mph, so don't bench race, it's a different story when you go to the track, slips don't lie. Ya from a roll srt's are strong, but let me tell you evo's-sti's are pretty strong from a roll, and a MF from a dig. I can't even get a sub 2.0 60ft time, evo's-sti's can do 1.8 with a shitty driver & in the rain. I put out 270-290whp depending on gas, and son I run quite a few down, but there are 1's that will chew me up and spill me out. Don't go with what mag's say, they're a bunch of oppinionated asswipes, and their times are as reliable as a catholic priest. :D


:gives a high five:

yes someone sees what im trying to say.... all this magazine racing means nothing on the street.... or the track... keep thinking you can beat everything on the street because some magazine said it and get your ass handed to ya you will be a bit on the pissed side.

don't worry you'll get it sonner or later.. if you ever see a red evo with oklahoma plates that read 4agw6d3... run up on me from a roll, and watch the myth of awd is slow frrom a roll get you embarrassed. :)

Not an STi, I can see not having a wing...but body kit, 17'' bbs wheels, fender flares...

Now the WRX was racing you can tell from the way he shifted, and 2 that I give you a thumbs up.

And do you own a srt??? I do, with stg2, full exhaust, intake, sts, and a few goodies. Stock 4 stock, you will get your ass handed to you by sti-evo. I know, i own 1. If you want to know what it runs? Best time on the stock bfg 6inch pizza cutter is 13.42 at 107.2, I couldn't put the power down in 1-2 gears, with slicks 12's are within reach. I was trapping higher that every evo out at the track that day except the mr evo, which ran 13.09 at 109, that's what awd gets you, but I don't mind leaving smoke trails from the wheel wells!! Stock srt on that day didn't even break into the 13's, more like 14.4 98mph, so don't bench race, it's a different story when you go to the track, slips don't lie. Ya from a roll srt's are strong, but let me tell you evo's-sti's are pretty strong from a roll, and a MF from a dig. I can't even get a sub 2.0 60ft time, evo's-sti's can do 1.8 with a shitty driver & in the rain. I put out 270-290whp depending on gas, and son I run quite a few down, but there are 1's that will chew me up and spill me out. Don't go with what mag's say, they're a bunch of oppinionated asswipes, and their times are as reliable as a catholic priest. :D

I also own an SRT-4 and I would have to disagree with you on this one. You pretty much made his point for him. He was just saying from a roll an SRT-4 will be even and/or beat an STI/Evo stock for stock. I know most people who buy either one of the three cars mentioned will be modding it so this whole discussion is kinda pointless but I have nothing better to do. I have never raced an Evo but when I was stock I raced a stock STI and pulled him by about a car from 60-100 (and still pulling) when he shut it down. Again AWD>FWD from a stop but FWD>AWD from a roll, especially a high speed roll.

I also own an SRT-4 and I would have to disagree with you on this one. You pretty much made his point for him. He was just saying from a roll an SRT-4 will be even and/or beat an STI/Evo stock for stock. I know most people who buy either one of the three cars mentioned will be modding it so this whole discussion is kinda pointless but I have nothing better to do. I have never raced an Evo but when I was stock I raced a stock STI and pulled him by about a car from 60-100 (and still pulling) when he shut it down. Again AWD>FWD from a stop but FWD>AWD from a roll, especially a high speed roll.


Bad drive in the STi, my STi is stock and will stay stock for awhile, mod. SRT-4 don't pull away from my STi, stock ones get walked.

Bad drive in the STi, my STi is stock and will stay stock for awhile, mod. SRT-4 don't pull away from my STi, stock ones get walked.
You are wrong. Stock SRT-4's will not get walked from a roll with a stock STI. It is even or an SRT-4 is pulling away (depending on driver). From a dig, with a half way decent driver in the STI, the SRT-4 will lose. That is not to say that I haven't seen an STI run a few mid 14's at the track though, but I am not dumb enough to say that STI's are slow because of a bad driver. ;)

I've race a couple WRXs and that's exactly what was in that vid. Sorry, to the kid that thought it was something other. If you have a car load of people, that's what a stock or lightly modded WRX will do to you. If you were alone, you'd be even or pulling slightly. If it were an STI, from behind, and he hit it hard, you'd never have been 1/2 that close. It's POSSIBLE to hang near an STI, but that's it. NEAR them, and there will be no question that it's an STI...

just to see if this myth was true i have a friend with astg 2 srt 4 and we went on the highway today.... from a 70 punch... i was in 4th @24 lbs now.. when we punched it he stayed next tom me for 4-5 seconds then i started pulling away... and kept pulling so im gonna say BS on the high speed thing i'll put it like this

it doesn't matter the drivetrain.. the faster more powerful car will win no matter what..

like i stated earlier don't belive all the hype you hear....

STi/Evo > srt-4 > cobalt SS wheather from a roll, dig, uphill, down hill, street, track, circuit course, reverse. that is all.

You are wrong. Stock SRT-4's will not get walked from a roll with a stock STI. It is even or an SRT-4 is pulling away (depending on driver). From a dig, with a half way decent driver in the STI, the SRT-4 will lose. That is not to say that I haven't seen an STI run a few mid 14's at the track though, but I am not dumb enough to say that STI's are slow because of a bad driver. ;)


O.K. maybe you'll have to find out the hard way ;)

just to see if this myth was true i have a friend with astg 2 srt 4 and we went on the highway today.... from a 70 punch... i was in 4th @24 lbs now.. when we punched it he stayed next tom me for 4-5 seconds then i started pulling away... and kept pulling so im gonna say BS on the high speed thing i'll put it like this

it doesn't matter the drivetrain.. the faster more powerful car will win no matter what..

like i stated earlier don't belive all the hype you hear....
Ok, but how much power are you putting down? Can't really compare stock to modded or even modded to modded. Again, I said stock for stock an SRT-4 will beat an STI form a roll and I would say an Evo also since STI's are faster than evos but I can't speak from experience on that one.

After reading all the BS I have come to one conclusion...



STi/Evo > srt-4 > cobalt SS wheather from a roll, dig, uphill, down hill, street, track, circuit course, reverse. that is all.

After reading all the BS I have come to one conclusion...
:D thanks for agreeing w/ me. :p

sorry dude, that wasn't an STI

Ok, but how much power are you putting down? Can't really compare stock to modded or even modded to modded. Again, I said stock for stock an SRT-4 will beat an STI form a roll and I would say an Evo also since STI's are faster than evos but I can't speak from experience on that one.


your last sentence sums it all up... it is better to though of as unknowing then to open your mouth (or type) and remove all doubt..

another magazine racer i guess.. from EXPERIENCE i an tell you stock for stock a EVO vs a STI is a drivers race....

and why can't you compare modded to modded?

RUN WHAT YA BRUNG

End of discussion. LOL.

Novtec1, I think these guys are a lost cause. LOL :D

you and me both.....

your last sentence sums it all up... it is better to though of as unknowing then to open your mouth (or type) and remove all doubt..

another magazine racer i guess.. from EXPERIENCE i an tell you stock for stock a EVO vs a STI is a drivers race....

and why can't you compare modded to modded?
Okay, from EXPERIENCE (I can type in caps too) I can tell you that an SRT-4 will beat an STI from anykind of rolling start. Which means that it will beat an Evo also since you claim it a driver's race. You are just living in denial buddy. It's okay, it is all part of the process.

not denial guy been there..done that... and i've raced a stock sti when my car was bone stock..and yes i did win.. so.. go pick up your PS2 controller or whatever mag you were reading... its a drivers race.. period.

and rolling start... show me any stats (since you are a avid magazine racer) that say rolling start 1/4 mile time? last time i checked every 1/4, 1/8 mile track i know is from a dead stop. and if there is a rolling start 1/4 mile track send me the address, i'll meet you there.

Okay, from EXPERIENCE (I can type in caps too) I can tell you that an SRT-4 will beat an STI from anykind of rolling start. Which means that it will beat an Evo also since you claim it a driver's race. You are just living in denial buddy. It's okay, it is all part of the process.
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you are on crack if you think that an srt-4 will beat an STi in any kind of roll. you are the reason why srt-4 guys have a bad rep.

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you are on crack if you think that an srt-4 will beat an STi in any kind of roll. you are the reason why srt-4 guys have a bad rep.

rotllmao... that a funny pic.. i gotta use that........

The SRT-4 puts down ~225-230whp.

EVO/STI's put down a little over that. Don't quote me, but I'd say about ~245whp. Novtec might be able to clarify this.

EVO/STI > SRT-4 in any type of race.

not denial guy been there..done that... and i've raced a stock sti when my car was bone stock..and yes i did win.. so.. go pick up your PS2 controller or whatever mag you were reading... its a drivers race.. period.

and rolling start... show me any stats (since you are a avid magazine racer) that say rolling start 1/4 mile time? last time i checked every 1/4, 1/8 mile track i know is from a dead stop. and if there is a rolling start 1/4 mile track send me the address, i'll meet you there.
You are seriously an idiot. This whole time we have been discussing a race from a roll but now you bring up races from a stop!?!? I am not ignorant like you, I understand that an SRT-4 will not win from a dig because it is wrong wheel drive, but it will win from ANY kind of roll race (which is what most races are on the street). If you want to check out mag stats they actually do have 5-60 times and, guess what, the NEON is quicker than the Evo. :eek:

5-60?

ARE FUCKN KIDDING ME!!!!!!!!!???

MAGAZINE RACING!!!!!!!

OMFG, you're a total lost cause..

at 5mph, I'd still dump the clutch in the EVO and take off just as hard.

LOLOLOLOLOL... you're too funny.

Please stop the magazine racing... LOL..

5-60?

ARE FUCKN KIDDING ME!!!!!!!!!???

MAGAZINE RACING!!!!!!!

OMFG, you're a total lost cause..

at 5mph, I'd still dump the clutch in the EVO and take off just as hard.

LOLOLOLOLOL... you're too funny.

Please stop the magazine racing... LOL..
He is the one that asked for the mag stats you stupid ass. You know nothing about either car, you just want to stir up shit.

Actually I do know about them. But in this case, that doesnt matter. We're talking AWD vs. FWD arent we?

With equal whp, it would be a driver's race. In this case, the EVO has more whp, therefore, the EVO wins in any race.

Stupid ass.

Yes, SRT-4's dyno 230 HP to the wheels. Here is a link to what Evo's dyno stock.
http://motortrend.com/roadtests/sedan/112_0503_mitsubishi_evos_dyno/
Hmmm, SRT-4 weight 2900, Evo weight 3300......you do the math.

call me what you want..but call when when you're ready to race... you race out your magazines i'll go off real proof...

i have no issues with you... seems to me you have to justify your purchase.. i know why i bought mines..wasn't for racing... so what if a neon can be faster than a evo..thats nice but still does it make you the fastest thing out no... keep on living out your magazines man. one day you'll find out the hard way.

edit: mods lock this up.. im tired of arguing with the srt forums.......

Okay, from EXPERIENCE (I can type in caps too) I can tell you that an SRT-4 will beat an STI from anykind of rolling start. Which means that it will beat an Evo also since you claim it a driver's race. You are just living in denial buddy. It's okay, it is all part of the process.
Quick question, which car has the better turbo out of the box? Evo, sti, or srt???? answer = evo, which is almost identical to the stg 3, turbo for the srt. Titanium, aluminide, not inconel steel, apples to shit. Which has the best drivetrain, evo=sti it's a toss up there. I own a srt and have raced a few evo's& sti's with my car, never came across either 1 stock, had stg 2 on it in less that 5 thousand miles. I can tell you that stock it would have been a murder for me, death, death, death. I have come across evo's & stock srt's, and ran them now, & evo put up a better fight then the srt. If you are talking 1\4 mile then you should know that if you run at track you barely get into 4th gear & the race is over! If I race a evo-sti, from a dig, on the streets, if it doesn't allow me to go into 4th gear & max it out, I told you earlier in the post, you will see the taillights the whole race. Ya I have beaten up a few evo's-sti's on the streets, they want to race from a dig, my only answer is we'll have to take it to about 120mph & then I'm $$$$$, because at around 95-105 is where I catch them and pass them. Remember in my stg 2 car, it doesn't make max boost till 3-4 gears, (17-19psi), & that is what allows me to run them down. Ya from a roll, it's easier to get that ass, only because my car will spin the tires till 3rd gear, from a dig. It allows me to put it to the floor & just worry about the WOT (boom) shifts. In my experience with sti's all you need is 17.5psi, exhaust, intake and I'm done. evo's you need 20+psi, exhaust, intake and I'm done. That is of course, if everything is equal, driver, weight, conditions. That's coming from a guy who has stg 2\toys, mpx3" exhaust, intake, sts, and a few goodies, the car ran 13.4 at 107 with the stock tires on it!!! The td04 turbo on the srt is a good setup, fully spooled by 2200rpms, and it really goes till about 120mph, then it falls on its face, but it still moves. I can honestly tell you that I'm the 30-120mph sickness, most that I run my car from a 30 roll, have 1 thing to say, that car is sick!!!! :D

call me what you want..but call when when you're ready to race... you race out your magazines i'll go off real proof...

i have no issues with you... seems to me you have to justify your purchase.. i know why i bought mines..wasn't for racing... so what if a neon can be faster than a evo..thats nice but still does it make you the fastest thing out no... keep on living out your magazines man. one day you'll find out the hard way.

edit: mods lock this up.. im tired of arguing with the srt forums.......
Not trying to justify anything actually, just trying to prove you wrong, which I did. I know Evo/STI are a LOT better all around performance car, hence the extra $10,000. I also know that in any kind of race other than a roll the SRT loses but the discussion was about roll (street) racing. :)

I can honestly tell you that I'm the 30-120mph sickness, most that I run my car from a 30 roll, have 1 thing to say, that car is sick!!!! :D


These would my thoughts and the reaction I get in my stock STi :D looks like it would be a good race for a stg2/SRT and a stock STi.

So blab10 know way would a stock SRT hang with a stock STi ;) and the price difference is only around $8000.

Not trying to justify anything actually, just trying to prove you wrong, which I did. I know Evo/STI are a LOT better all around performance car, hence the extra $10,000. I also know that in any kind of race other than a roll the SRT loses but the discussion was about roll (street) racing. :)

the only thing you proved is you can read a magazine, and why SRT4 Owners have sucha bad rep.. thats all you proved to me, and how did you prove me wrong.. anyways im through with you... its not even worth the time.

These would my thoughts and the reaction I get in my stock STi :D looks like it would be a good race for a stg2/SRT and a stock STi.

So blab10 know way would a stock SRT hang with a stock STi ;) and the price difference is only around $8000.
A stock STI vs a stage 2 SRT-4 is a good race from a dig. The SRT-4 will usually pass them at around 100 mph and keep on pulling. From a roll, it is a steady pull for the SRT-4.

the only thing you proved is you can read a magazine, and why SRT4 Owners have sucha bad rep.. thats all you proved to me, and how did you prove me wrong.. anyways im through with you... its not even worth the time.
I told you that when I was stock I beat a stock STI from a roll but for some reason you choose not to beleive me. :confused: You are the one that mentioned mag stats and articles so I provided them for you.

Ok, but how much power are you putting down? Can't really compare stock to modded or even modded to modded. Again, I said stock for stock an SRT-4 will beat an STI form a roll and I would say an Evo also since STI's are faster than evos but I can't speak from experience on that one.


no this is where the whole thing started right here...so where did i ever say you could't beat one.. i never did...

then you said

Which means that it will beat an Evo also since you claim it a driver's race. You are just living in denial buddy. It's okay, it is all part of the process.

again i never said you couldn't beat one but you're claiming you can beat it..

then i said...

and rolling start... show me any stats (since you are a avid magazine racer) that say rolling start 1/4 mile time? last time i checked every 1/4, 1/8 mile track i know is from a dead stop. and if there is a rolling start 1/4 mile track send me the address, i'll meet you there.

again never said you could't beat a sti stock...

so when did this happen????

I told you that when I was stock I beat a stock STI from a roll but for some reason you choose not to beleive me. You are the one that mentioned mag stats and articles so I provided them for you.

i know what i typed cause i was there when i typed it.... and you guys wonder why you got such a bad rep... so if possiable please show me where i said you never beat a STI from a roll? cause i NEVER DID. and as for stats i asked for 1/4 mile rolling start times...

sad part is i really like the SRT-4 its just the owners like you who make me think other wise. i won't let one bad apple spoin the bunch, cause i know a few kool owners....

no this is where the whole thing started right here...so where did i ever say you could't beat one.. i never did...

then you said



again i never said you couldn't beat one but you're claiming you can beat it..

then i said...



again never said you could't beat a sti stock...

so when did this happen????



i know what i typed cause i was there when i typed it.... and you guys wonder why you got such a bad rep... so if possiable please show me where i said you never beat a STI from a roll? cause i NEVER DID. and as for stats i asked for 1/4 mile rolling start times...

sad part is i really like the SRT-4 its just the owners like you who make me think other wise. i won't let one bad apple spoin the bunch, cause i know a few kool owners....
And I thought you were done with me......lucky me I guess. Anyway, I guess I just threw you in the same group as KSE and DC52NV, who both claimed an SRT-4 would/could not win. Now, I am done with this thread. :D

Jesus, this is going nowhere.

This thread started because a CSS tried to chase a WRX on an onramp ROLL.

Then some tool opened their mouth saying that a stock SRT would get slaughtered by a stock STi in the same instance.

This is NOT so. I dont care how engrained in your STi's and Evo's stats you are, they put the same whp/weight down that the SRT does stock. This was not a 1/4 mile race, it was not from a dig, dont bring up those facts here. Assuming no boost leaks in the SRT and it's running in good condition, it will give a stock Evo (03-04) or STi a run for its money on a ROLL.

This has been proven with dozens of videos since 2003. Otherwise i'd have to bring up trap speeds in mag stats, and personal experience seeing these cars at the track. (The latter being worse since most people dont feel like dumping the clutch at 6k, Evos running 14.2@96 ? yeah.)

Oh yeah. This has nothing to do with Cobalts anymore. Lockage?

one thing to add that i dont think anyone mentioned

weight

the SRT4 is lighter than an Evo or STI, by about 300lbs

if the car actually had traction(enough to get the same 60ft's), it would perform right beside the EVO and STI in the 1/4 mile. but the fact of the matter is it doesn't, and most SRT4's i see run high 14's due to sub par driving. poor driving nets low 15's

racing from a roll is just a matter of which car has the best power to weight ratio, like said earlier. you really have to suck at driving to be a bad driver in a race from a roll

and from my experience, some SRT4's are a good amount faster than others(stock for stock) probably due to build quality

Have you ever seen the stock evo and stock STI Dyno #'s?


someone above said they have an SRT-4 that puts out 280-290 HP to the wheels and still gets owned? WTF you would rape them maybe not from a stop but you should start pulling hard eventually.

A stock evo dyno's at the wheels 238 hp 238 Ft/lbs if I remember correctly.

a stock STI dynos arround 248 hp 250 ft/lbs of torque.

So based on those HP #'s and the P loss for all wheel drive, if you have a 280-290 HP at the wheels SRT-4 from a roll you would dominate a stock EVO and STI.

the stock #'s at the wheels on the SRT 4 are like

230-240 HP and I dont remember torque but I think its about the same
210-225 hp at the wheels for a Cobalt SS.
180-190 at the wheels on a Stock WRX.

so take these #'s into consideration before making judgement.

as far as the original poster is concerned theres no way you are going to run with an STI like that with 4 heads in your stock cobalt SS. Sorry dude but it aint gonna happen. Maybe if you where alone and he didnt know what the heck he was doing I would beleive it, but that wasnt the case.

You probably raced a stock WRX with intake and exaust.

There not slouch cars, yes stock vs stock you would own one from a roll with bood drivers and such.

Also I would like to say WTF are reg WRX's 28000 bucks and you can get an STI for 31? WTF!

Also I would like to say WTF are reg WRX's 28000 bucks and you can get an STI for 31? WTF!

Regular WRXs are around 25000 "bucks".... subaru.com.

Maybe with options but I went to Matt Slapp subaru the other day and no joke there was a reg WRX right next to a STI and the STI was 31 and change and the reg WRX was 28 and change....

http://www.edmunds.com/new/2006/subaru/impreza/100613799/optionsresults.html?action=2&tid=edmunds.n.options.ntmv.1.1.Subaru*

Theres a reg WRX for 27,495 base, and 31, 595 with options.

HOLY CRAP!

Maybe with options but I went to Matt Slapp subaru the other day and no joke there was a reg WRX right next to a STI and the STI was 31 and change and the reg WRX was 28 and change....

http://www.edmunds.com/new/2006/subaru/impreza/100613799/optionsresults.html?action=2&tid=edmunds.n.options.ntmv.1.1.Subaru*

Theres a reg WRX for 27,495 base, and 31, 595 with options.

HOLY CRAP!
That's the reason why I love mt SRT. Big bung for the buck

All I have to say is Subaru knows what the hell there doing. I drove my first manual WRX two days ago, it was stock with the exception of an CAI....That thing flies, with the exception of the legnthy turbo lag, it will beat us Cobalts unfortunatley for now, but good news my friend has an automatic WRX and I beat him....as sad as it is to compare manual to automatic. There is hope at the end of the tunnel because the manual WRX isnt that much faster. But today I drove my first bone stock STI....there are no words to describe how fast that car is...holy crap, once that turbo spools, its over. I had it to 120mph before I could realize what I was doin.

Dude are you smoking crack?

anyway if it was an 05....

an 06 I still call your bluff.

Due to the all wheel drive the lauches on these suckers are unbelieveable. for a 5.4 0-60 and to still have the same 1/4 time of a stock cobalt SS is sad. The only reason these cars are fast are the launch. That is of course with the beating of your car. Launching at 6000 RPM is not good for your car at all.

if a cobalt and a WRX where to go from a 40 MPH roll that WRX would get eaten up and digested and poopped out so fast it wouldnt even be funny. Without the launch the WRX doesnt have anything.

I think IM right with this but at the wheels a WRX gets about 190 HP (maybe less) where as the Cobalt SS is usually 210+ easily, not to mention the WRX is a fairly heavy vehicle at arround 3300 lbs.

anyway thats my 2 cents.

i totally agree.. i just moved out to utah with my gf for college.. and on the way, in colorado to be exact, i had a run in with an 04ish wrx. he was playing with a bmw 325. they flew by me and i down shifted.. and this was in the twisties of colorado.. (route 70) i cought up to them and started to play.. i pulled up to the wrx and we went.. i slowly was pulling away from him up to about 110.. (mind you i had all of our clothes.. and everything we live with probably another 600 lbs on top of the 3200 lb. car. i can def say i was faster than he was. she drives a chipped 1.8t with an exhaust.. roughly 240 hp. I can pull on her pretty well. so i have to say that you are wrong.. or your ass dyno isnt tuned correctly.

I got a new '04 STi for 28k in August of '04. I took it back after 2 weeks and 1500 miles because of a bad dealer and the moronic insurance rates.

Since when are people racing from a roll anyways? Besides nascar :rolleyes: Gearing has a lot to do with "roll racing" also.

Your right about wrx putting down 185ish or less to the wheels, but three cats tend to hurt the car. And it will still run a 1/4 faster than an ss. Removing the the bigger 2 cats gets you over 200awhp easy. I have roughly 1200 dollars into my car and I dynoed 225awhp, and run the 1/4 mile in 13.4-13.6 @100mph.

FWIW a wrx isnt a drag car. Its ment to be on the gravel or in the snow. Once you've ridden in one in the winter then you'll understand ;)

Curb weight is right at at or a little over 3000lbs.

Haha speaking of insurance rates, I drive a 2004 SE-R now and I had a quote done on a 2006 Cobalt SS. I pay about 650 dollars every 6 months now, and it would actually drop to 550 every 6 months.

I was like WHA!

so I lose the 4 doors and add a supercharger and my insurance drops? Not to mention the car is more expensive.....

Oh well I aint complaining. Maybe it has to do with the alarm/engine imobilizer and the side impact air bags, who knows.

(IM on my parents insurance, god bless them!)

All very interesting yes the Srt4 is lighter and is quite near the power numbers to the wheels as the Evo and Sti but you must consider gearing in those cars quite short makes for fast acceleration. But from a roll it would be a close race at high speeds. I have a few cars but chose the Sti in particular for the Awd, better reliabilty and warranty than the Evo's. Also I like the short gearing since I drive 99 percent of the time below 100 mph. So the top end is a bit useless for me "I am allergic to silver bracelets." Alot of the time people don't beat the car but the driver, and this I suspect is the case in the opinions fostered by some people. If you ae not in your powerband at a given gear-speed you can easily loose a race you should have won. To say that Awd cars have no top end is a definite mistake, once you mod that drivetrain loss is muted, obviously turbo specs would be the next hurdle in numbers game. I have yet to run a Cobalt so I can't comment on them, but I am modded so that's an unfair comparison. Anywho why fight over logistics enjoy what you have and don't kill anyone including yourself :D

With equal whp, it would be a driver's race. In this case, the EVO has more whp, therefore, the EVO wins in any race.

Stupid ass.

Let me point out how stupid your reasoning is here buddy....

You say that "This car has more whp, so it will win any race".

Ok.... You meet me at the track. I'll bring my 175hp Shelby Lancer that weighs 3300lbs, you can drive this fully loaded tractor trailer that weighs about 10 tons and is pushing 500whp, and we'll see who wins.

Damn, you're stupid.

*edited for language by myself*

This is like being on clubrsx. There type-s's have beaten evo's, sti's, ls1 f-bodies, corvettes, and even a AMG S65 from a roll. Pretty sure eventually someone will claim a "roll" victory on the space shuttle

http://i18.photobucket.com/albums/b142/dazednconfused75/shit.jpg

This is like being on clubrsx. There type-s's have beaten evo's, sti's, ls1 f-bodies, corvettes, and even a AMG S65 from a roll. Pretty sure eventually someone will claim a "roll" victory on the space shuttle



HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!! Freaking Hilarious...You are now in my circle of trust!

By the way....raced a shuttle.......................LOST!

[QUOTE=Anywho why fight over logistics enjoy what you have and don't kill anyone including yourself :D[/QUOTE]


AMEN!!! Preach it brother!!

Are you a nasioc member? You have the common sense, and vocabulary of such a fine individual.


dang...how do you screw up a quote! FUDGE!

This is like being on clubrsx. There type-s's have beaten evo's, sti's, ls1 f-bodies, corvettes, and even a AMG S65 from a roll. Pretty sure eventually someone will claim a "roll" victory on the space shuttle

So you are saying none of those kills are possible out of a Type-S??? :rolleyes:

Are you a nasioc member? You have the common sense, and vocabulary of such a fine individual.




Example of the fine individuals at NASIOC:
http://forums.nasioc.com/forums/showthread.php?t=862227&page=1&pp=25

Don't Hate.

Haha speaking of insurance rates, I drive a 2004 SE-R now and I had a quote done on a 2006 Cobalt SS. I pay about 650 dollars every 6 months now, and it would actually drop to 550 every 6 months.

I was like WHA!

so I lose the 4 doors and add a supercharger and my insurance drops? Not to mention the car is more expensive.....

Oh well I aint complaining. Maybe it has to do with the alarm/engine imobilizer and the side impact air bags, who knows.

(IM on my parents insurance, god bless them!)


haha same except on my own insurance ...went down from going from a 92 tsi awd ... cant explain it for the life of me

^^ yea, my SS insurance dropped too. I paid $115/mo for my svt focus, but it dropped to $80/mo. for the SS!! i was like "wtf..hell yea."