Who makes the Cobalt block? I've heard rumors stating it is a Honda motor. Is this true?

I know Honda and GM have a little partnership going on, some of the newer Hondas are/will be On-Star equipped.

Wrong!!!!!!!!!!! Its Basicly An Open Engine (germany)
The Same Opel Speeder Has It

I MEANT ''OPEL''........... sorry

Opel eh?

What is the Ion Redline packing? Maybe that was the Honda. Or maybe I'm way off...

Thanks tho.

Opel eh?

What is the Ion Redline packing? Maybe that was the Honda. Or maybe I'm way off...

Thanks tho.
Redline has the same engine as the cobalt SS/SC the 2.0 Ecotec which is from opel as stated above. Saturn uses the Honda 3.5L V6 in the Redline VUE and the normal V6 and AWD V6. It was a partnership to exchange disel engines from ISUZU to honda for the 250HP 3.5L. A bunch of people think the Ecotec is a Honda engine when its not. Ive even caught dealerships saying that.

Opel eh?

What is the Ion Redline packing? Maybe that was the Honda. Or maybe I'm way off...

Thanks tho.

Trust me, there's no Honda garbage under the hood of my car... it makes 200lbs of torque... at like 4,500 rpms... not a Honda...

Trust me, there's no Honda garbage under the hood of my car... it makes 200lbs of torque... at like 4,500 rpms... not a Honda...

I wouldn't call Honda garbage. They make some of the most durable, reliable blocks. They are among the sport compact elite that can produce 100bhp per liter NA, and they have several blocks doing so; b16a, b16b, b18c, k20a, f20...

Does anyone know what engine is in the aforementioned Honda equipped vehicles?

That's very nice... I'll tell that the the multitude of blue smoke burning Civics that I pass on my way home. In answer to your question, without me being a dick this time, is NO. Only the Vue V6 is from Honda, it's actually the reason that I didn't buy the car. Great motor, but I hate Hondas. Nothing you can say about it, nothing you can argue about. Just don't like 'em, mainly due to the ass-monkeys that drive them around here. Not all of em, but most of 'em. I can appreciate things like the S2000 and the RSX-S, but you're paying for alot more than I care about. I put put over 100hp/L and do so MUCH cheaper then either of those two Hondas, and lets be honest, the first thing every kid wants for their Honda is a turbo...

That's very nice... I'll tell that the the multitude of blue smoke burning Civics that I pass on my way home. In answer to your question, without me being a dick this time, is NO. Only the Vue V6 is from Honda, it's actually the reason that I didn't buy the car. Great motor, but I hate Hondas. Nothing you can say about it, nothing you can argue about. Just don't like 'em, mainly due to the ass-monkeys that drive them around here. Not all of em, but most of 'em. I can appreciate things like the S2000 and the RSX-S, but you're paying for alot more than I care about. I put put over 100hp/L and do so MUCH cheaper then either of those two Hondas, and lets be honest, the first thing every kid wants for their Honda is a turbo...


You are a typical fanboy. What can't you respect all cars. Dislike the drivers not the car.

I ask a simple question and you respond with a 'no'. That in no way helps me.

Also, I said Hondas are among the elite that can produce 100bhp/L NA.

Does anyone know the answer to my previous question?

EDIT: The RSX Type S is a nice car but it is overrated. I much prefer the Integra GSR.

Redline has the same engine as the cobalt SS/SC the 2.0 Ecotec which is from opel as stated above. Saturn uses the Honda 3.5L V6 in the Redline VUE and the normal V6 and AWD V6. It was a partnership to exchange disel engines from ISUZU to honda for the 250HP 3.5L. A bunch of people think the Ecotec is a Honda engine when its not. Ive even caught dealerships saying that.

Thank you, BTW. Much appreciated. Do you happen to know the codes for those blocks? It doesn't really matter, I was just wondering if they're typical Honda engines or specialty blocks.

The Vue Redline has a transverse mounted 3.5 liter honda V6 that makes 250 ponies. The regular Vue V6 AWD has a 3.0 liter that was also longitudly mounted in the rear drive caddy catera. Both engines are the same Opel V6.
And yes. Hondas are trash. So are the obnoxious little mufflers, or fart cans which make the car louder, not faster.

The Vue Redline has a transverse mounted 3.5 liter honda V6 that makes 250 ponies. The regular Vue V6 AWD has a 3.0 liter that was also longitudly mounted in the rear drive caddy catera. Both engines are the same Opel V6.
I understand that. I am asking for the ENGINE CODE.

And yes. Hondas are trash. So are the obnoxious little mufflers, or fart cans which make the car louder, not faster.
All Hondas are trash? Tell that to the S2000 and NSX owners. FYI, I've seen far too many Chevrolets with canister exhausts.

Why the fuck are some of you guys so ignorant. Open your eyes. Honda drivers are doing the same thing your are, it's called tuning.

It seems as if asking questions on this forum can be easily compared to the adage of the monkey fucking a football. It is an exercise in futility.

Code on what engine? Are you talking about the Vue's engine?

Also I think that the Ecotec Engines for North American sold cars are made at Saturn plants in Spring Hill, TN or atleast the 2.4L Ecotec


Honda Engines are good engines. I just perfer the Tourqier Domestic engines.
I can care less about the High Reving high hp with less tourqe engines like you get from Honda.

i'm pretty sure hes talking about the name. aka the cobalt has the 2.0sc ecotec, and the rsx type-s has the k20a2, and the civic si(r) has the k20a3...so in other words, what handa engine is this?

I Only Know That The (95-02) 2.4 Is Is Called Ld9

i'm pretty sure hes talking about the name. aka the cobalt has the 2.0sc ecotec, and the rsx type-s has the k20a2, and the civic si(r) has the k20a3...so in other words, what handa engine is this?
Yes. Exactly.

Basicially, I just want to klnow if Honda sent Saturn existing engines or if they started the engines from scratch.

So you are saying that my engine is made by Honda???

Thank you, BTW. Much appreciated. Do you happen to know the codes for those blocks? It doesn't really matter, I was just wondering if they're typical Honda engines or specialty blocks.
Your welcome. I actually dont know the codes on the new engines. I know the standard Ecotec engine code is L61 because its in my grand am.The 3.5L engine isnt special its that same one Honda used in their other vehicles.

The Vue Redline has a transverse mounted 3.5 liter honda V6 that makes 250 ponies. The regular Vue V6 AWD has a 3.0 liter that was also longitudly mounted in the rear drive caddy catera. Both engines are the same Opel V6.
And yes. Hondas are trash. So are the obnoxious little mufflers, or fart cans which make the car louder, not faster.

Thats not correct. My aunt has a 2005 AWD V6 VUE and it has the 3.5L engine. The 3.0L was discontinued in the VUE in 2004. The L300 saturn still uses it but not the VUE since 2003. The VUE only uses the L61 Ecotec and the 3.5L SOHC honda engine now.

You are a typical fanboy. What can't you respect all cars. Dislike the drivers not the car.

I ask a simple question and you respond with a 'no'. That in no way helps me.

Also, I said Hondas are among the elite that can produce 100bhp/L NA.

Does anyone know the answer to my previous question?

EDIT: The RSX Type S is a nice car but it is overrated. I much prefer the Integra GSR.

You call me a fan boy, and then, in typical HondaFanBoy fashion, you start spewing out HP/L numbers... Good call..

You call me a fan boy, and then, in typical HondaFanBoy fashion, you start spewing out HP/L numbers... Good call..

I am a Honda fanboy because I know more about them than you?

Actually, FYI, I don't even drive a Honda. I just have respect for all cars, regardless of the make or manufacturer.

And Tiger, if your car is supercharged, it isn't NA. NA, in case you were wondering, is an abbreviation of "normal aspiration, in this context, "normally aspirated". Your supercharger takes your car out of that ategory and places it into the FI, "forced induction", category. You don't make 100bhp/L NA if you have FI.

Xtremegrandam, thank you once again. I am guessing the engine is from a Honda Odyssey. Thanks again.

Xtremegrandam, thank you once again. I am guessing the engine is from a Honda Odyssey. Thanks again.
Your welcome! Glad to help! Yes the Honda Odyssey's Engine. The HP differences I believe come from using different intake/exhaust.

So I have a Cobalt that means that I have a freakin Honda ricer engine? WTF at least the SRT-4 is a REAL Domestic car!

So I have a Cobalt SS that means that I have a freakin Honda ricer engine? WTF at least the SRT-4 is a REAL Domestic car!
NO we just cleared that up the Ecotec engine is NOT a HONDA engine. Whether its the 2.4L Ecotec, the 2.2L Ecotec or the SS's Supercharged 2.0L engine. The Ecotec engine originally entered the US in SAAB's 93. Saturn then used a 2.2L varient of the engine exclusivly for a few years in the ION, L-Series, and VUE. Until the engine went global and is now used by most GM's line. The Ecotec was designed in germany under GM's division Opel. Do you guys understand now?

oh sorry about the capital letters I just wanted to make sure you got the key point

So whats all this talk about Honda engines?

So whats all this talk about Honda engines?
Forums can be confusing at times. I'm not really sure how the rumor occured I have even heard people at the saturn dealerships thinking the Ecotec is a honda engine. Pretty much its just people getting confused. The Ecotec engine is a GM engine though not a Honda.

Forums can be confusing at times. I'm not really sure how the rumor occured I have even heard people at the saturn dealerships thinking the Ecotec is a honda engine. Pretty much its just people getting confused. The Ecotec engine is a GM engine though not a Honda.

I think people are hearing about the Vues with the Honda V6, and some of them are just hearing 'Saturns use Honda engines'.

And Tiger, if your car is supercharged, it isn't NA. NA, in case you were wondering, is an abbreviation of "normal aspiration, in this context, "normally aspirated". Your supercharger takes your car out of that ategory and places it into the FI, "forced induction", category. You don't make 100bhp/L NA if you have FI.


No shit? Try re-reading my post. I know it's forced induction and my point was that I can buy the car that I have for 1/2 of what the NA Hondas making over 100hp/L. I called you a Honda fanboy because the first arguement from a Honda Fanboy is the HP/L one. Well, that and you can spew off a list of Honda engines from memory by their production codes dosen't really help. Man take a chill, just becuase I think Honda's are pieces of junk dosen't mean that you have to agree... it's my opinion. Unfortunately where I live I am surrounded by dumb kids driving absolute pieces of crap with a 6" coffee can on the back of their Civics... just don't like 'em anymore...

I think people are hearing about the Vues with the Honda V6, and some of them are just hearing 'Saturns use Honda engines'.
Must be.....I'm surprised at how much false information is given out now though at dealerships. Before I got my G6 a lady told me at a pontiac dealership that the 3.5L in the G6 was a Honda engine and I just laughed at her.

You have a new G6? Real nice car there, almost bought it instead of the Redline. It is a foreign built engine though, what the hell is up with that?? I believe it's Korean.

O thanks guys I thought that my engine was Honda built, glad I chose a more reliable chevy motor instead!

You have a new G6? Real nice car there, almost bought it instead of the Redline. It is a foreign built engine though, what the hell is up with that?? I believe it's Korean.
The G6 is nice a better than my 2002 Grand Am in some ways and in others its not. I love the clean styling and exterior finish and quality. The interior though is very noisy when its cold because of the plastic dash and its kinda plain since its all black. I really liked the vinyl my GA had and the driver oriented controls. I love the panoramic sunroof and the manual mode on the transmission (although a true manual is always better). The interior feels a lot more roomy too. I know the 3500 Series engine is assembled in Mexico but I never heard that it was a Korean engine. What I always read was it was the replacment for the 3400 Series OHV engine in the grand am. The 3500 Series in the G6 is a pushrod just like it.

What's with all this bashing on Honda motors?? If you guys remember correctly, the V-tec motor (GSR) was on top for a while, before any of our cars came out. Seems to me that our cars were designed to compete against this motor is why we should be thankful that our cars have the power needed to beat the Honda motors. Had the GSR motor not produce 170 hp stock, I'm pretty sure that most of the other makes wouldn't have seen the need to make a motor that has over 200 hp. I have a lot of respect for Honda's motor, with the fact that most of them are NA and could still keep up with me. But bashing like this is going to be the reason why this site will probably end up like a BS forum where everyone just comes to BS and talk trash. Let me know when you guys find an NA motor (4 banger) that could run 9's, then I might start to think that Honda motors are a bit out class. Let's keep the peace, and help each other out.

What's with all this bashing on Honda motors?? If you guys remember correctly, the V-tec motor (GSR) was on top for a while, before any of our cars came out. Seems to me that our cars were designed to compete against this motor is why we should be thankful that our cars have the power needed to beat the Honda motors. Had the GSR motor not produce 170 hp stock, I'm pretty sure that most of the other makes wouldn't have seen the need to make a motor that has over 200 hp. I have a lot of respect for Honda's motor, with the fact that most of them are NA and could still keep up with me. But bashing like this is going to be the reason why this site will probably end up like a BS forum where everyone just comes to BS and talk trash. Let me know when you guys find an NA motor (4 banger) that could run 9's, then I might start to think that Honda motors are a bit out class. Let's keep the peace, and help each other out.

The fastest NA Honda is in the 8s or 9s somewhere. Not exactly sure where tho.

The GSR vtec is a blast. It hits so friggin' hard.

Sp00ner, a 99 Civic Si, brand new cost the same, if not less than your car. The b16 in it is one of the aforementioned 100bhp/L engines. I agree tho, I cannot stand the Honda tuners that feel their cars are far superior because they have basic i/h/e bolt ons. That still is no reason to hate all Hondas. If you look around a little, you WILL find a Honda that you like.

To keep the peace a little, what kind of supercharger is in the Cobalt SS and Ion Redline?

Well GM and Honda did come up with a deal a few years back. Honda will give GM 4cyl and 6cyl engines for GM/Isuzu's more superior diesel engines. And that is why you see Honda Engines on the Vue.

Just like you see Toyota and GM make the Matrix/Vibe in the NUMMI plant in California that uses Toyota engines.

If I am not mistaken the Neon's and the SRT-4's are Mitsu engines and Mitsu's Turbos


But the ECOTEC engine is NOT a Honda engine not even the block http://www.answers.com/topic/gm-ecotec-engine Wow look at that link it has the Code numbers those Honda Guys love. :D

Well GM and Honda did come up with a deal a few years back. Honda will give GM 4cyl and 6cyl engines for GM/Isuzu's more superior diesel engines. And that is why you see Honda Engines on the Vue.


I talked about the trade for V6's for Isuzu disel engines earlier in the thread. But,Partnerships like that are becoming more frequent within the automotive groups.

On another note-
I'm not sure why people are so quick to bash honda's engines and cars who are GM/Ford and other US brand enthusiasts. I always try to give credit where credit is deserved.

But the ECOTEC engine is NOT a Honda engine not even the block
We've established that on page one.
Wow look at that link it has the Code numbers those Honda Guys love. :D
Not only "Honda guys" acknowledge engine codes, most tuners do. Ever hear of the LS1?

On to the SRT-4, it has some Mitsubishi components, but not many. AFAIK, only the turbo its Mitz, the rest is Mopar. Someone please correct me if I am wrong.

Not only "Honda guys" acknowledge engine codes, most tuners do. Ever hear of the LS1?

On to the SRT-4, it has some Mitsubishi components, but not many. AFAIK, only the turbo its Mitz, the rest is Mopar. Someone please correct me if I am wrong.
I have to agree with you a lot of GM boards use engine code #'s oh and JDMCivic I did find the code number for the 2.0L which is LSJ

I know about engine codes and that GM people use engine codes like the LS1 and the LD9 that I have.

I don't think that I bashed Honda engines. But you can find me saying that I rather have the Tourqe you find in domestic engines.

But hey I am Biased I am 4th Generation GM Employee and I have lived and breath GM all of my life. At the Thanksgiving meal the biggest topic is what is going with GM.

But yes foums can be confusing at times and even Mad Mike was confused on page 3 and people were still talking about Honda engines in GM cars.

Trust me when I say I know all about all of the Automakers sharing common parts and you see a lot of combinations.

I even posted a link that gives all of the codes for the Ecotec Engines did any of you guys look at it. If I find info and I can link it I will to show my source.

We've established that on page one.

Not only "Honda guys" acknowledge engine codes, most tuners do. Ever hear of the LS1?

On to the SRT-4, it has some Mitsubishi components, but not many. AFAIK, only the turbo its Mitz, the rest is Mopar. Someone please correct me if I am wrong.

Your just a Honda fanboi

Your just a Honda fanboi

Why is that? Because I appreciate other car manufacturers besides the one I own? Douchebag...

And also I think that I bypassed a lot of this thread because I replied at the bottom of the page.

This is the only minor complaint that I have with this board is that you can post at the bottom of the page even on the 2nd page when there is 10 pages lol. This is the only forum that I am on that has this feature.

This is the only minor complaint that I have with this board is that you can post at the bottom of the page even on the 2nd page when there is 10 pages lol. This is the only forum that I am on that has this feature.

Seriously? You're deprived. I couldn't live without quick reply.

Its an awesome feature.

this thread cracked me up..

Dude stop coming on here and misinforming people about Honda engines and Cobalts

he wasnt misinforming, he was asking, and people like you said "ooooh no, not myyyyy car... myyy car is nooot honda garbage... ooomg!!! " stfu, you know who started the flaming by stating that honda was garbage in the FIRST place...

Well I like the reliablility of my Chevy motor more reliable than any Honda motor...Haha freakin ricers!

well i have a Chevy motor, and yes it is reliable, but not more reliable than ANY honda motor...

look at the ricers on the street, they beat thier cars all day long everyday... and i STILL see them everywhere i look, i'd choose a chevy motor over most if not all honda motors, but that doesnt mean i wouldnt own one

I know about engine codes and that GM people use engine codes like the LS1 and the LD9 that I have.

I don't think that I bashed Honda engines. But you can find me saying that I rather have the Tourqe you find in domestic engines.

This is true Honda engines do not have the torque that most GM engines have.

This is true Honda engines do not have the torque that most GM engines have.

i wish everyone in every forum talked like you my friend..

you honestly talk like this site has some sort of computer that answers every question accurately, lol

imagine a forum without people like MAD MIKE !!! omg!

Yea dude whats up with all them hondas having such little amount of torque?

i wish everyone in every forum talked like you my friend..

you honestly talk like this site has some sort of computer that answers every question accurately, lol

imagine a forum without people like MAD MIKE !!! omg!

Thanks I actually really appreciate the compliment. I have been on many forums and am on the majority of the major GM forums. I just try to treat people how I would want to be treated. I also understand that everyone had their own opinion and I respect that even If I dont agree. I have been on so many forums where people dont understand that everyone has the right to express themselves as long at they are doing it a manor that is appropriate. A few years ago I started my own forum which started as being for Pontiac and Saturn owners and I have recently expanded it to all GM. This is when I really learned how to be diplomatic. We just all have to get along we are all here for a reason and there is really no reason to be against each other.

Yea dude whats up with all them hondas having such little amount of torque?
I'm actually not too sure. Its just how they have been built I know most Honda engines are single overhead cam engines where most GM engines are Dual or OHV (pushrod engines). From my experience with Honda's they produce low end torque but lack in the higher range. I'm not an engineer so I cant really say anything but comment on my own experience with GM and Honda vehicles.

Thanks I actually really appreciate the compliment. I have been on many forums and am on the majority of the major GM forums. I just try to treat people how I would want to be treated. I also understand that everyone had their own opinion and I respect that even If I dont agree. I have been on so many forums where people dont understand that everyone has the right to express themselves as long at they are doing it a manor that is appropriate. A few years ago I started my own forum which started as being for Pontiac and Saturn owners and I have recently expanded it to all GM. This is when I really learned how to be diplomatic. We just all have to get along we are all here for a reason and there is really no reason to be against each other.

very respectlable...

just wait about 3 months when this site becomes like the rest.. lol, unfortunately, its natural.. i've been on many major forums as well...

i cant wait till all the top-posters think they're boss ;) :rolleyes:

:D

very respectlable...

just wait about 3 months when this site becomes like the rest.. lol, unfortunately, its natural.. i've been on many major forums as well...

i cant wait till all the top-posters think they're boss ;) :rolleyes:

:D
Yeah I use to be very active on all the forums but now I find myself more and more just not saying anything because half the time you do someone trys to insult you or respond in a negative way.

Yeah I use to be very active on all the forums but now I find myself more and more just not saying anything because half the time you do someone trys to insult you or respond in a negative way.

the main forum on on now, i registered, then posted about 3-4 months later...

i know what you mean though, just keeping quiet works... not only that but when some individual makes a comment, its like they hold a grudge, then, all their posts annoys you and vice versa, lol...

cobaltss.com hopefully wont be as bad as half of the other big forums out there

Dude who wants a fuckin forum with a tool like u! Plus what kind of forum would this be if everyone agreed!

the main forum on on now, i registered, then posted about 3-4 months later...

i know what you mean though, just keeping quiet works... not only that but when some individual makes a comment, its like they hold a grudge, then, all their posts annoys you and vice versa, lol...

cobaltss.com hopefully wont be as bad as half of the other big forums out there
Hopefully not, but I have seen a lot of good forums turn bad though recently.

Hopefully not, but I have seen a lot of good forums turn bad though recently.

Yea man thats because all them ricer honda people

Yea man thats because all them ricer honda people
It actually isn't. It's more of a lack or respect for people and their opinions.

Dude who wants a fuckin forum with a tool like u! Plus what kind of forum would this be if everyone agreed!

the point of a forum isnt for everyone to argue and not agree. The point is to bring people together who share a common intrest. You may not want to do that but that doesnt mean other people dont.

So your saying that nobody is allowed to have different opinions on this website.




Cobalt SS Forum (below)

Wow this went to far to the bad side.

Mad Mike yes there should be aloud to have diffrent opinions. But there is a respectful way and a disrespectful way. You are starting to really lean to the disrespectful way.


I might be wrong on this but I think a lot of reasons that Honda's higher hp but lower tourque is do to the Compretion ratio that Honda's have compared to Domestic engines.

So your saying that nobody is allowed to have different opinions on this website.
You can have a difference of opinion without being rude or arguing. (which is called debating) I dont know where you get that I'm trying to say no one should have a different opinion. Saying people should respect each other. If you cant get your point across without disrespecting people thats pretty bad.

Wow this went to far to the bad side.

Mad Mike yes there should be aloud to have diffrent opinions. But there is a respectful way and a disrespectful way. You are starting to really lean to the disrespectful way.


I might be wrong on this but I think a lot of reasons that Honda's higher hp but lower tourque is do to the Compretion ratio that Honda's have compared to Domestic engines.


Just correcting a little here so no offense meant, but it is true that domestic engines have alot of torque, but it is also true of foreign engines too in the way of Nissan i.e. take the 3rd gen 2005 altima 3.5SE 250HP at 6000RPM and 249ft. lb. of torque at 3300RPM.

As far as bashing on Hondas goes... think about the people that would own a Cobalt or a Redline, and then think back to when they were driving their last car, which in my case was a 124hp Saturn SC2. I had to deal with so much crap from other car 'people' who, in my area, are mainly Honda kids. MOST of them have a Civic with the exact same horsepower as my Saturn. 3 of the kids I know well, and have taken them on the highway on the way to my house and whupped em good. Ya know what would happen when I tell someone my car beat a Civic? Needless to say, they didn't believe me. So my guess, is that alot of other people on this site have had their fair share of headaches with Honda kids, seeing as most of them drove Cavis or Saturns or Sunfires, or similar cars.

The only real point about JDM's Civic Si cost comment I have, is I can't see a Civic Si going for $18,000. Honda's base price is $19,320 starting. I know kids that almost paid $17,000 that for their Civic EX. I would have to say that it costs almost the same as my car. And it's a 160hp, 2.0L engine. So for the same price, you get a N/A honda that redlines at 6800, and puts out 45+ less horsepower and has 132lbs of torque. That's kinda my point on a Honda engine. Yes, you can get a great piece of engine, but you're going to pay alot for it.

Mad Mike... while I back most of your ideas, u gotta work on the delivery bro. I might have said 'There's no Honda garbage under my hood', but at least I kept calm afterwards!

As far as bashing on Hondas goes... think about the people that would own a Cobalt or a Redline, and then think back to when they were driving their last car, which in my case was a 124hp Saturn SC2. I had to deal with so much crap from other car 'people' who, in my area, are mainly Honda kids. MOST of them have a Civic with the exact same horsepower as my Saturn. 3 of the kids I know well, and have taken them on the highway on the way to my house and whupped em good. Ya know what would happen when I tell someone my car beat a Civic? Needless to say, they didn't believe me. So my guess, is that alot of other people on this site have had their fair share of headaches with Honda kids, seeing as most of them drove Cavis or Saturns or Sunfires, or similar cars.
I hear you when I had my yellow 2001 Saturn it really attracted the attention of some of the die hard import people and even a lot of the neon owners who were just like the "ricers". I would be minding my own business and they would fly up on my back bumper and tail gate me. And every time all I had to do was down shift and take off down the road. Same thing with my Grand Am they do it all the time So I understand that. I have had someone run into the back of my car because they were being stupid so when someone tail gates me (which I never drive under the speed limit unless there is ice or the traffic infront of me is bad and I cant go faster) It really upsets me half the time I will floor it and get as far away from the people as I can. Which probably isnt the best thing to do..... But I'm not about to have another person smash into the back of my car and then end up dealing with problems for the rest of the time I own it and then end up having a terrible resale value.

Well GM and Honda did come up with a deal a few years back. Honda will give GM 4cyl and 6cyl engines for GM/Isuzu's more superior diesel engines. And that is why you see Honda Engines on the Vue.

Just like you see Toyota and GM make the Matrix/Vibe in the NUMMI plant in California that uses Toyota engines.

If I am not mistaken the Neon's and the SRT-4's are Mitsu engines and Mitsu's Turbos


But the ECOTEC engine is NOT a Honda engine not even the block http://www.answers.com/topic/gm-ecotec-engine Wow look at that link it has the Code numbers those Honda Guys love. :D

To the best of my knowledge, the only thing that is Mitsu on my motor is the turbo, the rest of the motor was built by PVO.

Yea man thats because all them ricer honda people

Hey mad mike, what are you so mad about?? From reading your post, you seem to only have one mind set on "ricer". Tell me what your defin. is of a ricer??? Why is it only that you see honda owners as "ricer"?? I've seen domestic cars with all kinds of sticker and and fuggly wings on it as well, but is that consider as a ricer to you?? Or is it just hondas?? I would admit, that most ricers that I've seen are honda owners, but keep in mind that almost every make has their own ricers somewhere. So is my car a ricer, since it has an ungly wing on it as well???

Yea dude where I live there is just too many ricers and EVERY single one of them drive hondas and they are some slow ones too. And bro Mike gets mad when he sits in traffic especially when im sitting behind a ricer

Yea dude where I live there is just too many ricers and EVERY single one of them drive hondas and they are some slow ones too. And bro Mike gets mad when he sits in traffic especially when im sitting behind a ricer

Yeah, I feel you man........ In my case, it just gives me a good reason to laugh..... make something positive out of it, instead of road rage...... Although I don't encourage street racing, just sometimes peeps are racing you and you don't even know it since you're only driving normally and still win. Now that's something to laugh at. But you gotta love them hondas, without them, you wouldn't have much competition on the streets..... Tell me that you're not looking for a supped up honda to try your car out??

The only real point about JDM's Civic Si cost comment I have, is I can't see a Civic Si going for $18,000. Honda's base price is $19,320 starting. I know kids that almost paid $17,000 that for their Civic EX. I would have to say that it costs almost the same as my car. And it's a 160hp, 2.0L engine. So for the same price, you get a N/A honda that redlines at 6800, and puts out 45+ less horsepower and has 132lbs of torque. That's kinda my point on a Honda engine. Yes, you can get a great piece of engine, but you're going to pay alot for it.

When I made the Civic Si comments, I was refering to when they first were reintroduced in 1999. They were 160bhp/L for the same price as your car. The only reason I brought that up is to enlighten some of the more ignorant members as to Honda's 100bhp/L achievement. Besides, its given that Honda's have no torque.

As for the why no low end, Honda performance blocks have crazy top end. CRs are high too, I believe something like 12:1 in the GSR.

Turbo VW's, although they have that tiny turbo, have crazy tq too. Even though I own Volkswagen, I must admit, I don't like the 1.8T. Its just a sorry excuse for a turbo...

When I made the Civic Si comments, I was refering to when they first were reintroduced in 1999. They were 160bhp/L for the same price as your car. The only reason I brought that up is to enlighten some of the more ignorant members as to Honda's 100bhp/L achievement. Besides, its given that Honda's have no torque.

As for the why no low end, Honda performance blocks have crazy top end. CRs are high too, I believe something like 12:1 in the GSR.

Turbo VW's, although they have that tiny turbo, have crazy tq too. Even though I own Volkswagen, I must admit, I don't like the 1.8T. Its just a sorry excuse for a turbo...

Dude u dont even drive a Honda and u come on here talking shit about my car having a Honda engine. 1.8T what a joke I dont think that there will ever be a 1.8T that can keep up with my car VW's are pieces of shit!

Ok i like all cars to a point! Honda make some absolute strong engines and give you some great realiabily. My freind own's a all Honda Del Sol club and in that club they have over 50 of them in PA only and there are some extremly fast ones in that club. In the club there are a few that have the rare B16 Dohc's and there are a few that are D16 sohc's that are turbo's that will spank the shit out of just about anthing out there. And there is one Del Sol that is running 9 sec on the quater he is the fastes uni-body Del Sol out there. And he only got a B16 Dohc engine and it is turbo but no intercoloer it is water cooled and the car is nuts.
There is my rant i have never personaly owned a Honda i have had one car my Camaro. I love Chevy's. And i will aways own a chevy but Honda make's soom very strong engine's. I have a appreation for most cars. Just don't like any Ford's. Sorry for any miss spelling's.

Yeah...same As The Aveo....total Korean Engine (pos)

Yeah...same As The Aveo....total Korean Engine (pos)

That is so true.

Dude u dont even drive a Honda and u come on here talking shit about my car having a Honda engine. 1.8T what a joke I dont think that there will ever be a 1.8T that can keep up with my car VW's are pieces of shit!



Are you willing to race my Friends Jetta GLI :D it is just a POS 1.8TLOL












Oh yeah did I mention he took out that little KO4 turbo out and replaced it with a GT28RS :D That thing is Huge.

Ok i like all cars to a point! Honda make some absolute strong engines and give you some great realiabily. My freind own's a all Honda Del Sol club and in that club they have over 50 of them in PA only and there are some extremly fast ones in that club. In the club there are a few that have the rare B16 Doch's and there are a few that are B16 soch's that are turbo's that will spank the shit out of just about anthing out there. And there is one Del Sol that is running 9 sec on the quater he is the fastes uni-body Del Sol out there. And he only got a B16 Doch engine and it is turbo but no intercoloer it is water cooled and the car is nuts.
There is my rant i have never personaly owned a Honda i have had one car my Camaro. I love Chevy's. And i will aways own a chevy but Honda make's soom very strong engine's. I have a appreation for most cars. Just don't like any Ford's. Sorry for any miss spelling's.

All b16s are dual overhead. Any Honda engine code begining with 'b' is DOHC. 'D' is all SOHC, 'K' is all DOHC, 'H' is all DOHC. The only one that differs is 'F'. F mixes both dual and single overhead.

Did your frineds Del Sol club go to Carlisle Custom Compact last year? I saw like 12 Del Sols all lined up together, all from the same club. Cant remember the name tho.

No Fords? I'd rock the new Mustang any day.

Dude u dont even drive a Honda and u come on here talking shit about my car having a Honda engine. 1.8T what a joke I dont think that there will ever be a 1.8T that can keep up with my car VW's are pieces of shit!

What do you drive again?

The 1.8T with a BT swap will walk all over you kiddo, while still keeping its factory heated leather Recaros.

FYI, I did own a Honda too. And I want another one. And when did I say yor car had a Honda engine? I asked if it did. I heard an incorrect rumor. We have concluded the Vue had the Honda engine. Reread the posts and apologize for your ignorance.

To the best of my knowledge, the only thing that is Mitsu on my motor is the turbo, the rest of the motor was built by PVO.

It was only the turbo, the td04.

Oh yeah did I mention he took out that little KO4 turbo out and replaced it with a GT28RS :D That thing is Huge.



Go do a little research before u say that a 1.8T has a k04 turbo stock, cause I raced one with a K04 upgrade and he got spanked and after I spanked him I shot him the finger for being a loser!

What do you drive again?

The 1.8T with a BT swap will walk all over you kiddo, while still keeping its factory heated leather Recaros.

FYI, I did own a Honda too. And I want another one. And when did I say yor car had a Honda engine? I asked if it did. I heard an incorrect rumor. We have concluded the Vue had the Honda engine. Reread the posts and apologize for your ignorance.

Dude u came on here saying that I have a Honda motor in my car and I dont know what a vue or whatever is but what I think u meant was a Cobalt and Chevy makes the engine.

Only faggots and girls drive VW's there is this gay guy at my school man and he drives a pink jetta and that kid is the biggest loser i know, not only a jetta but pink haha! That must say something about yourself too!

I've raced a GSR and won. Close race, but I won.

I'd like to see an N/A Honda run 9''s in a full production spec car (weight, frame, fully optioned out). then I'll have respect.

there is this gay guy at my school man and he drives a pink jetta and that kid is the biggest loser i know, not only a jetta but pink haha! That must say something about yourself too!

:D

lol, thats funny ;)

I'd like to see an N/A Honda run 9''s in a full production spec car (weight, frame, fully optioned out). then I'll have respect.


Exactly dude and no NOS either!

Exactly dude and no NOS either!

Nitrous Oxide is considered forced induction.

SVTFocus, I'd like to see a Cobalt with all the options run a 9 too. I'd like to see just about any daily driven, fully equipped car run a 9. It isn't going to happen often.

Mad Mike, I'd like to introduce you to literacy. Again, reread my posts. I was asking a question.

And how can you compare me to the kid in the pink Jetta? You don't know me. I cannot be held accountable for his actions.

Back on topic, the Cobalt block/saab/redline block has been proven already.

Back on topic, the Cobalt block/saab/redline block has been proven already.


Saab has the same engine? WTF happened to Chevy being a domestic car, dude I think im gonna trade mine in and get a Honda so I can be a ricer too!

... how can you compare me to the kid in the pink Jetta?...

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:D

:confused:
:D

Ha-Ha...

Technicially, my Jetta is Memory Red. I have pictures of pink Jettas. Mine is definitely not pink.

Whats up with u people thinking that pink jettas are sports cars!

Saab has the same engine? WTF happened to Chevy being a domestic car, dude I think im gonna trade mine in and get a Honda so I can be a ricer too!
The Ecotec engine wasnt ever exclusive to chevy. The 2.0L was used in other applications and the 2.2L was exclusive to saturn in the US first then went global.

The Ecotec engine wasnt ever exclusive to chevy. The 2.0L was used in other applications and the 2.2L was exclusive to saturn in the US first then went global.

I just dont get it man y didnt they tell me this in the dealership cause I would have went right over to dodge and bought an srt-4 if I knew this. I only trust domestic cars ever since my accident, but I guess Chevy is out of the loop now!

I just dont get it man y didnt they tell me this in the dealership cause I would have went right over to dodge and bought an srt-4 if I knew this. I only trust domestic cars ever since my accident, but I guess Chevy is out of the loop now!
ohlol.

The engine is domestic, pal.

It's just not exclusive to American cars.

ohlol.

The engine is domestic, pal.

It's just not exclusive to American cars.


U people are all misinformed man im going to my dealership and im gonna ask somebody that actually knows!

U people are all misinformed man im going to my dealership and im gonna ask somebody that actually knows!
Yes, we are all wrong and you are the only one that is right.

I get it, now.

U people are all misinformed man im going to my dealership and im gonna ask somebody that actually knows!


That is funny you are going to the Dealership to find answers if you ask some of the car salesman will tell you that the reason that the Cobalt SS is delayed is because they are going to make it RWD. LOL


The Dealerships are the last ones to know crap. So go to your dealeship so they can tell you the wrong info. LOL

I never said that u guys are wrong and im right, but i need acurate answers I think u guys r cool and u have helped me out a lot!


And dude my dads friend works at the dealership im gonna go and ask him cause he wont bs me like those other assholes that work there.

I just dont get it man y didnt they tell me this in the dealership cause I would have went right over to dodge and bought an srt-4 if I knew this. I only trust domestic cars ever since my accident, but I guess Chevy is out of the loop now!
Did you ask them? Most dealerships dont know all the details anyway though. well at least thats been my experience. The 2.2L engine is domestic assembled here in the USA at Saturn's(GM's) Spring Hill Plant and the Towanda NY plant. But The 2.0L is assembled in Germany. Check out this link from GM Powertrain it may prove usefull to you. http://www.gm.com/automotive/gmpowertrain/engines/ecotec/index.htm

So is this Ecotec better than that ricer vtec?

Vtech I wouldn't consider Ricer but maybe Rice if you consider all Asian cars run on Rice as fuel lol

But the only Vtech Ricers out there are the ones with Vtech badges and stickers that don't even have VTech

Whats wrong with putting stickers on my car?

before i say this i have to say that i am completly neutral, i dont like hondas any better than i like my GMs...

So is this Ecotec better than that ricer vtec?

vtecs can do one thing that ecotecs can't: produce lots of horsepower with small displacement, while remaining na. for example, look at the new rsx type-s, that things k20a2 puts out 210 hp na! and its only 2.0 leters! the eco2.0sc is good too, but u gotta keep in mind that its not na. a reason honda engines are so sweet is because of their vvt system, its the best around. the ecotecs dont even have vvt (exept for the 2.4).

anyway, its no secret that honda engines have no torque, the ecotec clearly has the edge there. honda engines havent had torque since they introduced the vtec

When I made the Civic Si comments, I was refering to when they first were reintroduced in 1999. They were 160bhp/L for the same price as your car. The only reason I brought that up is to enlighten some of the more ignorant members as to Honda's 100bhp/L achievement. Besides, its given that Honda's have no torque.

As for the why no low end, Honda performance blocks have crazy top end. CRs are high too, I believe something like 12:1 in the GSR.

Turbo VW's, although they have that tiny turbo, have crazy tq too. Even though I own Volkswagen, I must admit, I don't like the 1.8T. Its just a sorry excuse for a turbo...

hey jdmcivic where you from??? I see NEPA

I lived in scranton area ( pittston) up until october when i got stationed here in south carolina

I'd like to see an N/A Honda run 9''s in a full production spec car (weight, frame, fully optioned out). then I'll have respect.

skunk2 has a streetable n/a 9 sec rsx

Okay, I'm trying hard not to sound offensive but I'm not succeeding. I'm not knocking GM. Just the knowledge of some of these people.

well i have a Chevy motor, and yes it is reliable, but not more reliable than ANY honda motor...

look at the ricers on the street, they beat thier cars all day long everyday... and i STILL see them everywhere i look, i'd choose a chevy motor over most if not all honda motors, but that doesnt mean i wouldnt own one

More reliable you say? It's like every 2nd month there's a major recall from GM. Oh, look... What's this (http://www.cobaltss.com/forums/showthread.php?t=169)? Also recent news article on another recall (http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/6947046/).
And another (http://www.kold.com/Global/story.asp?S=2528871 ).... (Their accelerators may stick... Hmm that sounds safe)

Don't think I didn't look into other companies. I saw one from Honda about a key not coming out if not in the car is not in "park". Big deal. Sure I did a half-assed job searching but I've paid attention to recalls and a lot of big ones involve GM, Dodge and Ford. I attribute it to the American cost-cutting mentality. Hell, cars like the Cavalier are disposables.

Yea man thats because all them ricer honda people
Whats wrong with putting stickers on my car?

Mike, you are one of the most closed minded people I've seen at an enthusiast site. You're so incredibly biased. Therefore I dub thee fanboy/ricer. Yeah, I said ricer. That sticker comment supports my argument.

Saab has the same engine? WTF happened to Chevy being a domestic car, dude I think im gonna trade mine in and get a Honda so I can be a ricer too!

You already are. OMG... You know how many car companies make up GM? Not only are their engines exported, they also import. Don't you realize where GM has their hands? Everywhere. Worldwide. Here's something for you else to think about... The Saab 9-2X = Subaru WRX. Pontiac Vibe = Toyota Matrix... Well, doesn't that tell you something about GM? They believe those imports are good cars. Why can't you? By supporting GM, you're also supporting imports.

Now, let's see if that gives you a nervous breakdown. Imagines Mad Mike running around saying, "Does not compute, does not compute! Doo dee doo dee! BOOM".

So is this Ecotec better than that ricer vtec?


wow everytime people on this thread have tried to have a normal conversation you have to waste everyones time with your dipshit remarks.

those " ricer" vtecs. most i know of will spank your ass.

hell I dont even need FI to spank your ride im sure.

hell you prob dont even own a reputable car. juding by all your post and having a much more " reliable" chevy motor over a honda motor.

or talking about whooping up on 16yr honda civic boys with thier 100 hp engines you ahve to be the coolest guy on this site.


im glad to see all car forums have their share of asshats like this guy

I can't believe I read through all 11 pages of this. Looks like some people are close minded and totally misinformed. I have a Honda. Yes I know that my car is slow, but I don't see how ONLY Honda's are singled out as rice. I see plenty of riced out stangs and camaros, etc. Altezzas, huge wings, fog lights on the rear bumper?! Why? Also what about the other companies like Nissan and Toyota, Subaru, Mitsubishi? Are they not rice b.c they have turboed or actually quick cars?

About Honda engines not having any torque. Honda engines w. VTEC don't have any torque b.c honda puts all it's power in the higher RPM's for gas mileage. That's what I have always read and known. That's why non-vtec engines have more torque than the VTEC's.

I am in no way a Honda fanboy or ricer. I own a Honda so what.. doesn't make me a ricer. I dont have altezzas or body kits or an aluminum wing. I love all cars domestic or import. I drove my friends camaro the other day, and I loved it. I loved the torque.

But yeah there's my worthless 2 cents.

Dude im selling my car now this is bs I cant believe GM sold out soo bad!

or talking about whooping up on 16yr honda civic boys with thier 100 hp engines you ahve to be the coolest guy on this site.

im glad to see all car forums have their share of asshats like this guy

I'm betting Mad Mike is one of those 16 year olds myself. I can't imagine many more people who're older to have that sort of closed mindedness.
If he's older, he's got a bit of growing up to do. And he shouldn't get so offended/worked up over seeing a ricer. Just let them be. Sounds like he's got something to prove or compensating for something.


MugenEJ8, glad to hear you own a Honda because with that username, you better be. :D I remember seeing this rusty old Ford Escort where I used to work with Mugen decals. HAHAHAHAHA... It was gold. I dunno if I still have the pic tho.

Dude im selling my car now this is bs I cant believe GM sold out soo bad!

OMFG... You're selling your car because it has some affiliation with an import?

Good luck finding a domestic that deals solely within the US.

Ford has Mazda, Chrysler has Benz and Mitsu... Am I forgetting anything?

BTW, would you refuse a Ferrari because it's an import? :confused: :eek: :rolleyes:

hey jdmcivic where you from??? I see NEPA

I lived in scranton area ( pittston) up until october when i got stationed here in south carolina

I live outside of Hazleton in Drums.

Disclaimer: If any of you guys atre from Club RSX, I was given the link. Don't be offended because I said I prefer the GSR. The RSX-S was just too smooth in its operations. The shifter slid into gear very easily, the car turned with little input from the driver. The GSR is much more mechanical. I love how you could feel it engage the next gear and feel everything. i just choose mechanics. The type S is awesome tho.

Gotta give it to Mad Mike tho, he may be able to beat a VTEC-E or 3-Stage VTEC...

R u guys speaking a different language or something i dont understand gsr rxs type s type r vtec stage 3 vtec sounds like somebody is speaking ricer to me!

I honestly think that im gonna buy an srt-4, but its got a mitsu turbo! OMG!!! What happened to the true domestic cars?

All b16s are dual overhead. Any Honda engine code begining with 'b' is DOHC. 'D' is all SOHC, 'K' is all DOHC, 'H' is all DOHC. The only one that differs is 'F'. F mixes both dual and single overhead.

Did your frineds Del Sol club go to Carlisle Custom Compact last year? I saw like 12 Del Sols all lined up together, all from the same club. Cant remember the name tho.

No Fords? I'd rock the new Mustang any day.

Ok your right i got confused and did not help a little pissed any way my freinds club was there last year if you wish to see there site i will put it at the end of the post. Sorry i not a big fan of the new Mustang.

http://www.teamsolpa.com/index2.html

R u guys speaking a different language or something i dont understand gsr rxs type s type r vtec stage 3 vtec sounds like somebody is speaking ricer to me!

GSR is a trim for 94-01(DC) Integras. RSX is another Acura that took the Integra's place(DC5). Type-S is the trim for the RSX. Type R is mainly japanese cars, but was introduced in the US as a trim of the Integra.

VTEC is Variable valve Timing with Electronic lift Control. 3 Stage VTEC is a form of VTEC that integrates VTEC-Economy and the traditional performance VTEC. It generates decent output while mainting awesome fuel economy.

Ricer is another name for you. I'm still waiting to know what you drive...

Ok your right i got confused and did not help a little pissed any way my freinds club was there last year if you wish to see there site i will put it at the end of the post. Sorry i not a big fan of the new Mustang.

http://www.teamsolpa.com/index2.html

I parked right by them in the paking lot last year. It was crazy to see so many Del Sols lined up together.

I live outside of Hazleton in Drums.

Disclaimer: If any of you guys atre from Club RSX, I was given the link. Don't be offended because I said I prefer the GSR. The RSX-S was just too smooth in its operations. The shifter slid into gear very easily, the car turned with little input from the driver. The GSR is much more mechanical. I love how you could feel it engage the next gear and feel everything. i just choose mechanics. The type S is awesome tho.

Gotta give it to Mad Mike tho, he may be able to beat a VTEC-E or 3-Stage VTEC...

I'm from ClubRSX. And yeah, I've got an RSX-S. You're very right. The shifter is super smooth and the steering is pretty tight.

Anyway, I don't know what you mean by 3-stage VTEC either. Does this have anything to do with the 3 cam lobes with "true" VTEC?


Hey, Mad Mike... Don't be such a negative person. There are no more true domestic (or import) cars anymore. But if you're looking for something fast, SRT-4 is a good choice. Should be faster than a Cobalt.

The current and future Civic Coupe were designed in the US and built in various locations around North America I believe. I believe the future Civic Sedan was designed in the States as well.

Anyway, you sound like me when I was 7. Here's me at 7 (think 1984, back when people still loved Michael Jackson and when he was still black). "Mmm... I love 7-Up... What? It's made by Pepsi? YUCK! I HATE IT! I WANT SPRITE!" or "What? He-Man is made by Mattel? He's garbage! I'm going back to my Hasbro made Transformers! NO!!! That's a GO-BOT!!! I HATE TONKA!!!".

I parked right by them in the paking lot last year. It was crazy to see so many Del Sols lined up together.

Yeah i know they are on the Carlise Pike alot during the summer at least last summer.

I don't know what you mean by 3-stage VTEC either. Does this have anything to do with the 3 cam lobes with "true" VTEC?

3-Stage VTEC is a JDM engine, I don't think it was ever released here. It mixes both VTEC-Economy and traditional VTEC.

To explain, I first need to elaborate on VTEC-E. VTEC-E is a 16valve engine that uses 12 valves for fuel economy. The problem is, with the extra valve, fuel pools up, so it only open a little. Then, at 2500rpms, in typical VTEC fashion, the 4th valve opens normally.

Three stage combines VTEC-E and regular VTEC. Between idle and 2500rpms, the fuel economy setup is used. From 2500-4800rpms, all 16valves are used as in a regular, non-vtec engine. 4800rpms and up, regular sohc vtec is engaged and the car comes alive. It makes 130bhp and gets 55mpg. Too bad it was never released in the USDM.

I dont have any pictures of my new cobalt, but I have one picture of my old caviler

I hope you aren't serious.

I like your Dirty South snow tires...

Ahh. Well, I don't know if that applies to the K-Series engines which is all I care about now; out with the old... :) As far as I know, the diff between a K20A and K20A2 is pretty much the rods, pistons and cams. Althought not technically part of the engine, the intake manifold and ECU as well. So the RSX-S's engine (and VTEC) should operate much the same as the 2002+ Integra Type R's, right? Just less pronounced?

I wonder what would win in a straight... A 2002+ ITR (220 hp naturally aspirated and possibly underrated) or Cobalt SS (205 hp forced induction and dyno proven to be underrated). I'm sure that the ITR would outhandle the Cobalt anyday tho as the previous gen ITR was supposed to be the best handling FWD car out there.

I parked right by them in the paking lot last year. It was crazy to see so many Del Sols lined up together.


Dude u call those nice cars I think its a whole lot of rice

Dude u call those nice cars I think its a whole lot of rice
http://http://therice.org/rice/graphicl/cooking1.gif

Well, did you look at your own car that you just posted up? Your Cavalier is Uncle Ben's.

A giant spoiler and Altezzas do not make your car fast. My old (and sold) 130hp Civic took out lots of 150hp Cavaliers.

The i-vtec has,I believe, some sort of low end CVT too.

Ahh. Well, I don't know if that applies to the K-Series engines which is all I care about now; out with the old... :) As far as I know, the diff between a K20A and K20A2 is pretty much the rods, pistons and cams. Althought not technically part of the engine, the intake manifold and ECU as well. So the RSX-S's engine (and VTEC) should operate much the same as the 2002+ Integra Type R's, right? Just less pronounced?

I wonder what would win in a straight... A 2002+ ITR (220 hp naturally aspirated and possibly underrated) or Cobalt SS (205 hp forced induction and dyno proven to be underrated). I'm sure that the ITR would outhandle the Cobalt anyday tho as the previous gen ITR was supposed to be the best handling FWD car out there.


My Cobalt handles like its on rails so your ITR or whatever could never beat me!

Well, did you look at your own car that you just posted up? Your Cavalier is Uncle Ben's.

A giant spoiler and Altezzas do not make your car fast. My old (and sold) 130hp Civic took out lots of 150hp Cavaliers.


Thats not rice bro! Rice is vtec and all that other stuff that u buy at Pep Boys!

My Cobalt handles like its on rails so your ITR or whatever could never beat me!

Sure... I've driven the Pursuit (from Canada). I know how that thing handles. The base Cobalt is essentially the same. I've also driven a redline. Sure the handling is decent for factory suspension but it's not the greatest.

The SS isn't even out so you obviously don't have the best factory suspension. To drive a REAL 2002+ ITR, you're going to have to go to Japan man. UK and Australia's are like the US's Type S with LSD. Better yet, find the previous generation ITR (yes, they're in the US). You'd flip your car before coming close to what that can do.

There's no way you're outhandling my RSX-S considering I've dumped $1500 in suspension mods already. These are mods that ITR owners swap theirs for. Get over yourself. As your Cobalt isn't the SS, you've got a car that greatly underperforms mine in every aspect. Now let's have a pissing contest.

i'm i the only one who thinks that madmike is just trying to get a rise out of all of us? i swear nobodys that dumb, but i do know some people who would act that dumb just for shits and giggles.

i'm i the only one who thinks that madmike is just trying to get a rise out of all of us? i swear nobodys that dumb, but i do know some people who would act that dumb just for shits and giggles.

Yeah, I agree. It's like he's TRYING to make domestic owners look bad.

R u guys speaking a different language or something i dont understand gsr rxs type s type r vtec stage 3 vtec sounds like somebody is speaking ricer to me!

I honestly think that im gonna buy an srt-4, but its got a mitsu turbo! OMG!!! What happened to the true domestic cars?


if you actually have a vehicel which i highly doubt.

your mebarassing this entire forum and your fellow chevy owners

your making yourself look like a total dipshit

I dont have any pictures of my new cobalt, but I have one picture of my old caviler



well this just proved your a giant troll with 0 automotive knowledge and anything else you say is merely a joke

Think whatever u want but I came on here to learn about my car and I dont see anything wrong with me asking questions and when I did ask certain questions I got flamed then all u honda guys showed up and started flaming too!

hey, someone asked u this earlier and u never answered; mad mike, whats ur definition of rice?

honda vtec vvt type r type s

so you truely are stupid. a good definition of rice would be your cavi with its huge ass ugly wing and taillights

Think whatever u want but I came on here to learn about my car and I dont see anything wrong with me asking questions and when I did ask certain questions I got flamed then all u honda guys showed up and started flaming too!

You do remember who started all the bashing, right? You bashed a certain group of people to start with, overgeneralizing. The term "rice" did have its roots with Asian "tuners", but it covers much more than that now. (I can say that cuz I'm Asian). I can admit that I had a ricey ride at one time but at least it looked clean relative to other cars labeled rice. Anyway, people get defensive when attacked and may attack back.

And it's not just Honda guys bashing you. I'm sure a lot of Chevy owners are embarassed you're "one of them". I'm not saying I don't have complaints about the car, I do but that's from driving it. I share it in a more civil manner. And I do respect GM for putting out a pretty powerful car for its price. I try not to be biased and I tell things as it is.

honda vtec vvt type r type s
What kind of Cobalt do you have MadMike ?

hey, someone asked u this earlier and u never answered; mad mike, whats ur definition of rice?
honda vtec vvt type r type s
so you truely are stupid. a good definition of rice would be your cavi with its huge ass ugly wing and taillights

Hahahahahahahahahahahah!!!! Altezzas and a giant wing are the first signs of rice. In his case, Uncle Ben's. Or is it "wheat"? "Bread"? Maybe "potatos"?

My definition of rice is trying to make your car look fast rather than making it fast. But sure, it's possible to make a fast car ricey too. If the car looks ridiculous, then I consider it rice. (Big wing unless factory, spinners, chrome hubcaps, chrome in general but that's my opinion, emblems meant for other cars unless it's a well done JDM conversion, cheaply done lowering aka cutting springs, altezzas, some projectors/blackouts, fake air scoop, vents in fender where stock did not have any, seat covers, steering wheel covers, do it yourself paint jobs, over the top graphics, most stickers, fake rotors for drum brakes, glowing emblems, neons, some punk driver wearing his hat sideways/backwards, playing loud/stupid music on crappy system, etc)

Dammit, now I went and made myself hungry.

Anyway, Mad Mike, you should take a look at this page... It's a classic but all that holds true today. http://www.riceboypage.com/

Here's a quote from the page... "What started out as a Southern California Asian subculture has grown into a worldwide phenomenon afflicting those of all races."

I was just wondering what exactly is RICE?
Because if i remeber there is a Toyota Caviler look it up.
I am not lieing.

I was just wondering what exactly is RICE?
Because if i remeber there is a Toyota Caviler look it up.
I am not lieing.

hmm... I know that the Toyota Corolla and the Geo Prism were essentially the same. Forgot which year tho. I'll look it up.

Edit: I found the Toyota Cavalier... For some reason, that saddens me... But no, I wouldn't consider that rice because Toyota sold the GM made Cavalier under their own name.

I just modified a previous post with MY definition of rice:

Big wing unless factory, spinners, chrome hubcaps, chrome in general but that's my opinion, emblems meant for other cars unless it's a well done JDM conversion, cheaply done lowering aka cutting springs, altezzas, some projectors/blackouts, fake air scoop, vents in fender where stock did not have any, seat covers, steering wheel covers, do it yourself paint jobs, over the top graphics, most stickers, fake rotors for drum brakes, glowing emblems, neons, some punk driver wearing his hat sideways/backwards, playing loud/stupid music on crappy system, etc.
Generally, these mods are pretty inexpensive and what people do when they can't put any real performance parts on their car. Damn that Fast and the Furious movie... Everyone's a ricer now.

There may be some exceptions but it has to be done right. Like lighting and lambo style doors for a show car. My other definition (from a Canadian standpoint) is anything you buy from Canadian Tire and put on your car.

@scourge...

reread my earlier post, i in NO way said gm motors were MORE reliable than ANY honda motor so STFU

.....you've been bitching as much as mad mike and its annoying

My other definition (from a Canadian standpoint) is anything you buy from Canadian Tire and put on your car.

lol! perfect!

Hahahahahahahahahahahah!!!! Altezzas and a giant wing are the first signs of rice. In his case, Uncle Ben's. Or is it "wheat"? "Bread"? Maybe "potatos"?

My definition of rice is trying to make your car look fast rather than making it fast. But sure, it's possible to make a fast car ricey too. If the car looks ridiculous, then I consider it rice. (Big wing unless factory, spinners, chrome hubcaps, chrome in general but that's my opinion, emblems meant for other cars unless it's a well done JDM conversion, cheaply done lowering aka cutting springs, altezzas, some projectors/blackouts, fake air scoop, vents in fender where stock did not have any, seat covers, steering wheel covers, do it yourself paint jobs, over the top graphics, most stickers, fake rotors for drum brakes, glowing emblems, neons, some punk driver wearing his hat sideways/backwards, playing loud/stupid music on crappy system, etc)


Here's a quote from the page... "What started out as a Southern California Asian subculture has grown into a worldwide phenomenon afflicting those of all races."


:( I guess I am Rice in your definition because I have

Altezza's but mine are the original ones that came out for the Cavalier which are now Illigeal because they don't have the 3" of reflector. I bought mine before the Fast and the Furious lol

Z3 Fenders Well I bought Z3 fenders made of metal but hey I was going to make them functional.

Neons Yes I have a 6 pc white neon light kit and I like it.


But I am a Car show fanatic

Here is a link of my profile which needs to be updated
http://www.j-body.org/members/NfamousZ24/cars/1/

I guess I am Rice in your definition because I have Altezza's

NOPE! you are a ricer cuz you have no performance mods on you car (excluding maybe the CAT) everything is cosmetic. i guess the real reason for that is because you started with such a lame platform with just about ZERO potential. nice work you toolbox. :rolleyes:

WTH is all this???

I ask a quyestion about a damn motor and here we are on page 15 debating what is rice.

WTH is all this???

I ask a quyestion about a damn motor and here we are on page 15 debating what is rice.

.........page 15....LMAO

:( I guess I am Rice in your definition because I have

Altezza's but mine are the original ones that came out for the Cavalier which are now Illigeal because they don't have the 3" of reflector. I bought mine before the Fast and the Furious lol

Z3 Fenders Well I bought Z3 fenders made of metal but hey I was going to make them functional.

Neons Yes I have a 6 pc white neon light kit and I like it.


But I am a Car show fanatic

Here is a link of my profile which needs to be updated
http://www.j-body.org/members/NfamousZ24/cars/1/

Dude seriously your ride is pimp!

NOPE! you are a ricer cuz you have no performance mods on you car (excluding maybe the CAT) everything is cosmetic. i guess the real reason for that is because you started with such a lame platform with just about ZERO potential. nice work you toolbox. :rolleyes:


At least he didnt have vtec and type r badges!

NOPE! you are a ricer cuz you have no performance mods on you car (excluding maybe the CAT) everything is cosmetic. i guess the real reason for that is because you started with such a lame platform with just about ZERO potential. nice work you toolbox. :rolleyes:


that was a BURN !!!!!!!!!!!!

just thought i'd post this up...

looks like this site IS getting a lil' popular... but maybe not in a good way,lol

ClubRSX (http://forums.clubrsx.com/showthread.php?t=242558&page=1&pp=25)

just thought i'd post this up...

looks like this site IS getting a lil' popular... but maybe not in a good way,lol

ClubRSX (http://forums.clubrsx.com/showthread.php?t=242558&page=1&pp=25)


it's funny one person on that thread had to give them a reality check on if they raced a Cobalt SS.

I think they need to go make there cars faster instead of talking on a forum about ANOTHER forums business.

WTH is all this???

I ask a quyestion about a damn motor and here we are on page 15 debating what is rice.


dude, seriously, if you don't know that even the honda engine is ricey then you don't even belong on these boards, go jump on this site:

WWW.I-am-a-honda-fanboi.QUEER

honda vtec vvt type r type s

you've been complaining this whole thread about rice, i bet your car is all riced out with like 50000000 stickers.

dude, my car is such a sleeper. and i know you can tell how fast it is from these pics.

http://www.fantomforce.com/FredCav/P1010050.JPG
http://www.fantomforce.com/FredCav/P1010049.JPG
http://www.fantomforce.com/FredCav/P1010054.JPG

:eek: :eek:

im so glad my cavalier hasnt been riced out by a HUGE amount of ppl...

PLEASE do not find pics and post'em... lol, that would only encourage me to sell it faster, lmao

and btw, my car is such a sleeper. and i know you can tell how fast it is from these pics.

that sounds funny.. its SUCH a sleeper, yet you can TELL how fast it is...

BWAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAAA

im so glad my cavalier hasnt been riced out by a HUGE amount of ppl...

PLEASE do not find pics and post'em... lol, that would only encourage me to sell it faster, lmao

and btw,

that sounds funny.. its SUCH a sleeper, yet you can TELL how fast it is...

BWAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAAA

dude, is that your car in your avatar? just look at it, who's car is faster mine or yours? ENOUGH SAID.

dude, is that your car in your avatar? just look at it, who's car is faster mine or yours? ENOUGH SAID.

lol, wut year and engine is your cavalier?

Psionix, you fucking ClubRSX troll, you're joke isn't funny. You post a picture of that ugly piece of stock engine shit and call it a sleeper. And god damnit, the actual owner of that car is from PA.

BTW, you're link doesn't work.

lol, wut year and engine is your cavalier?

it's a 1998. and the engine code is none of your business, i don't want you knowing what's under my hood! it's too fast for you and that's all you need to know.

Here's what you'll see when i'm passing you:

http://www.fantomforce.com/FredCav/P1010051_tn_200x150.jpg


See guys, this guy is another one trying to hate on our AMERICAN cars.

KSE, tune this! :eek:

BTW, you're link doesn't work.


lol ....:D

A quick summary of this thread for those too impatient to read it all:

1) Honda does not make the block for the Cobalt/Ion Redline. They makes the VUE block.
2) Honda sucks, Chevy is more reliable.
3) The supercharged Ion Redline makes 100bhp/L normall aspirated...
4) Rice comes in all shapes, sizes, makes, models, and trims.
5) Mad Mike is illiterate.
6) RSX-S owners don't like me because I said their car isn't as good as the GSR.
7) SVTFocus wants to see a 9 second streetable Honda.
8) I want to see just about any run of the mill sports car run a streetable 9.
9) I saw 87CamaroPA's friends car club at carlisle last year.
10) All variable timing is rice, somehow.
11) Typesfanatik is my neighbor. NEPA represent.
12) PSIONIX is a troll, I'm guessing from ClubRSX.

Did I miss anything?

it's a 1998. and the engine code is none of your business, i don't want you knowing what's under my hood! it's too fast for you and that's all you need to know.
:

that has to be ONE of the funniest answers ive ever read...

See guys, this guy is another one trying to hate on our AMERICAN cars.

LOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOL.. i HAVE a CAVALIER, im not hating on "our AMERICAN cars" cuz i have one! lol..

wuts ur 1/4mile ET? trap speed?... i bet u dont have ANYTHING under your hood...

Psionix, you fucking ClubRSX troll, you're joke isn't funny. You post a picture of that ugly piece of stock engine shit and call it a sleeper. And god damnit, the actual owner of that car is from PA.

BTW, you're link doesn't work.

yeah right! that was from before i moved to the mid-west coast. and why would i want to associate with those RSXers? you know what that stands for right? RICE SUCKS X.

and if it doesn't work then here's a link to my page http://www.fantomforce.com/FredsCavalier.html

and dude, your screen name is even ricey! Civic? <-- come on bro, just leave us AMERICANS alone.

A quick summary of this thread for those too impatient to read it all:

1) Honda does not make the block for the Cobalt/Ion Redline. They makes the VUE block.
2) Honda sucks, Chevy is more reliable.
3) The supercharged Ion Redline makes 100bhp/L normall aspirated...
4) Rice comes in all shapes, sizes, makes, models, and trims.
5) Mad Mike is illiterate.
6) RSX-S owners don't like me because I said their car isn't as good as the GSR.
7) SVTFocus wants to see a 9 second streetable Honda.
8) I want to see just about any run of the mill sports car run a streetable 9.
9) I saw 87CamaroPA's friends car club at carlisle last year.
10) All variable timing is rice, somehow.
11) Typesfanatik is my neighbor. NEPA represent.
12) PSIONIX is a troll, I'm guessing from ClubRSX.

Did I miss anything?

13. psionix is too fast to name his imaginary mods

A quick summary of this thread for those too impatient to read it all:

12) PSIONIX is a troll, I'm guessing from ClubRSX.

Did I miss anything?

14) your mom's a troll, beeyatch.

14) your mom's a troll, beeyatch.

haaaaaaahahahaa you put 14 as if agreeing with me about your imaginary mods!...

15. MAD MIKE is mad because there are very few "true" ALL american compact cars.. :p

before i moved to the mid-west coast.

Hmm...



What?

dude, i'm not ashamed, i'm from Springfield, IL now. Don't be hating just cuz i've got the fastest (and best looking) car around here, ok.

i'm from Springfield, IL.
nuff said..

haaaaaaahahahaa you put 14 as if agreeing with me about your imaginary mods!...


dude, i don't have to back that up, you know with a car looking that good that i've got some goodies under the hood.

PS - did you see that exhaust? yeah. that's what i thought.

dude, i don't have to back that up, you know with a car looking that good that i've got some goodies under the hood.

PS - did you see that exhaust? yeah. that's what i thought.

Ever hear of the phrase "all show, no go"?

I think you're bone stock performance wise.

And what the hell is the car in your sig? It looks like a Festiva with a skyline front clip..

yeah well i get at least 15 hp from my exhaust alone! all go, all show, all hoes.

And what the hell is the car in your sig? It looks like a Festiva with a skyline front clip..


dude, that's Gollum, from the lord of the rings... that just proves you are an IDOIT.

its so sad you spent all that money to make it look like shit...

you could buy a turbo kit for it and make it hella quick, but you didnt...

and by the way... does the dent in your trunk add another 15hp too?

LOL :)

its so sad you spent all that money to make it look like shit...

you could buy a turbo kit for it and make it hella quick, but you didnt...

and by the way... does the dent in your trunk add another 15hp too?

LOL :)

when you have a car that is as fast as mine, you HAVE to have performance mods like a spoiler. i don't want the trunk flying open at 130, right? that's how that dent got there cuz of all the downforce from driving so fast. it's fixed now, so whatever. :rolleyes:

that dent got there cuz of all the downforce from driving so fast

bwaahahahahahahahahahaaaaa!!!!!!!!

you GOT to be kidding me!

WOW this thread is Lame Funny though but it is still lame LMAO

WOW this thread is Lame Funny though but it is still lame LMAO

hell yeah its hilarious...

btw.. wut year is your Z24?

LMFAO!!!!

page 19!!!!!!!!

hell yeah its hilarious...

btw.. wut year is your Z24?

i bet it's not even his! i bet it's his moms. and i bet she only lets him drive it on Tuesdays!

ROFL...

why does it take so long for ANY of you who are "viewing this thread" to reply... i can see your names at the bottom of the page..

hey psionix... come on mang, wutcha got under dat hood yo'!?

Dude dont hate on him cause he's got a caviler and u all drive Hondas or pink jettas!

BTW that wing looks sick I was gonna buy one, but I found mine on ebay much cheaper sick ride man r u sponsored?

psionix 130 mph, haha, i had a 96 Z24 just sold it(had new motor + more ish), cause my SS is coming soon, not riced out like all ur cavys, and your cavy tops out at 108, you go higher, u will die, cause i know ur cavy is not set up for speeds like that, retard, the only thing nice on ur car is the hood, get rid of all that crap, and buy a kit maybe, then it wont look like a 4x4!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! lil punks, damnnnnnnnn, u guys really dont know what ur talkin bout.

psionix 130 mph, haha, i had a 96 Z24 just sold it(had new motor + more ish), cause my SS is coming soon, not riced out like all ur cavys, and your cavy tops out at 108, you go higher, u will die, cause i know ur cavy is not set up for speeds like that, retard, the only thing nice on ur car is the hood, get rid of all that crap, and buy a kit maybe, then it wont look like a 4x4!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! lil punks, damnnnnnnnn, u guys really dont know what ur talkin bout.

Seriously bro u honda guys need to leave!

psionix 130 mph, haha, i had a 96 Z24 just sold it(had new motor + more ish), cause my SS is coming soon, not riced out like all ur cavys, and your cavy tops out at 108, you go higher, u will die, cause i know ur cavy is not set up for speeds like that, retard, the only thing nice on ur car is the hood, get rid of all that crap, and buy a kit maybe, then it wont look like a 4x4!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! lil punks, damnnnnnnnn, u guys really dont know what ur talkin bout.

dude, with that spoiler it's SAFE! she hugs the ground like nobodys business. and why would would i want to lower my car? pot holes around here are terrible. plus you don't need to be lowered to run in a straightline.

maybe next time you can come up with an intelligent arguement before you post. Thanks.

lol THIS POST STARTED WITH SOME GUY ASKING SOME ENGINE QUESTIONS....AND LOOK HOW IT ENDED....HONDAS VS. CHEVYS

yea that wing helps your car, WHEN U GO 300 MPH IT HELPS, come on, and honda guys, who said i am a honda guy, does a honda guy like u say i am get a Cobalt SS, i dont think so, u KIDS need to stop playin NFS Underground

lol THIS POST STARTED WITH SOME GUY ASKING SOME ENGINE QUESTIONS....AND LOOK HOW IT ENDED....HONDAS VS. CHEVYS


I like the avatar :D

yea that wing helps your car, WHEN U GO 300 MPH IT HELPS, come on, and honda guys, who said i am a honda guy, does a honda guy like u say i am get a Cobalt SS, i dont think so, u KIDS need to stop playin NFS Underground


dude maybe before call somebody kids you shouldn't be such a n00b yourself. pssssssht. 5 posts! lol, get some knowledge you honda ricer.

does a honda guy like u say i am get a Cobalt SS, i dont think so

We Honda guys can get a Cobalt if we really wanted too. There's no law against that.

And please, Mad Mike, stop PMing me about sleeping with you. You call VW owners gay and then you PM me about your new blowjob technique. Are you feeling okay?

The wing would help out too... if your car was rwd...

lol THIS POST STARTED WITH SOME GUY ASKING SOME ENGINE QUESTIONS....AND LOOK HOW IT ENDED....HONDAS VS. CHEVYS

I totally agree with u man...its terrible how somebody can say that their car is soo much better than another persons car!

I totally agree with u man...its terrible how somebody can say that their car is soo much better than another persons car!

Isn't it ironic...








It's like rai-in on your wedding day....
[/Alanis Morisette]

We Honda guys can get a Cobalt if we really wanted too. There's no law against that.

And please, Mad Mike, stop PMing me about sleeping with you. You call VW owners gay and then you PM me about your new blowjob technique. Are you feeling okay?

The wing would help out too... if your car was rwd...


Can I still call?

Unfortunately, no...

i bet it's not even his! i bet it's his moms. and i bet she only lets him drive it on Tuesdays!


Haha your funny.


My Z24 is a 2000 I bought it back in March of 2000

I also bought my $100,000 house 6 years ago when I was 19 and I make over 60K a year and the wife is a 2nd grade teacher and makes over 30k a year so Yeah I own my own car. LOL

So now we're getting into our social standings? How does that have any relevance to the topic at hand? Next it'll be "my dad could beat your dad up".

Don't worry everyone, I'm an equal opportunity asshole...

200th post in this thread, bitches...

dude, with that spoiler it's SAFE! she hugs the ground like nobodys business. and why would would i want to lower my car? pot holes around here are terrible. plus you don't need to be lowered to run in a straightline.

maybe next time you can come up with an intelligent arguement before you post. Thanks.


Wow I am asshamed that you Chevy people are so dumb/retarded/blinded by the Bowtie. That you guys can't have an intelligent debate conversation about cars.

The only thing that those wings are there for are looks on FWD. It could slightly help on cornering but not that much.

Yeah you don't need to be lowered to run in a strait line. And if you are running on the track and break 108 in a Cavalier I'll give you props and tell you how to disable your governor.


I Know my Cavy stops at 108 but I don't need to go faster. Even though I have Fuzion tires rated over 200mph, Freedom Design Front and Rear strut tower brace, Eibach Front and Rear Sway bars, Sub Frame brace, Koni Yellow Struts, Eibach lowering springs. I have no reason to go over 108mph.

So now we're getting into our social standings? How does that have any relevance to the topic at hand? Next it'll be "my dad could beat your dad up".

Don't worry everyone, I'm an equal opportunity asshole...

It's not a social standing argument but when someone says that I don't own my Cavalier because they are probably quilty of the same thing then I will have to put them in their place.

Even sometime I wish I didn't move out of my parents house when I did. Man just think about all of the money I could of dumped into my car. LOL O well buying my house was probably the smartest thing that I did.

Haha your funny.


My Z24 is a 2000 I bought it back in March of 2000

I also bought my $100,000 house 6 years ago when I was 19 and I make over 60K a year and the wife is a 2nd grade teacher and makes over 30k a year so Yeah I own my own car. LOL


dude, am i supposed to be impressed by your income? you know what WOULD impress me, if you had some balls to actually race me. i'd beat you, then your wife would have to race me. After i beat her, i'd take her downtown to the red roof inn. then i'd race all those kids in her 2nd grade class and beat them too..

Don't worry everyone, I'm an equal opportunity asshole...

you hit that right on the head, you asshole, you haven't said one single intelligent thing in this entire thread.

dude, You know i catch so much more play in my Cavvy that you ever will in your Civic or pink jetta or whatever you have, you are a ricer or a krauter, chics know crap when they see it; they totally dig guys in a bowtie! so quite hatin on all of us domestic guys, ok?

Well, this thread has sure degraded... I can't believe I read through all this.

I can't tell if psionix or mad mike are trolls but they aren't helping making this site look good. All I can say is don't represent.

MODS, time to lock??

Well, this thread has sure degraded... I can't believe I read through all this.

I agree even the honda guys have accepted the fact that they have been owned! And who really wants to hear about how much money some dude makes.

I agree even the honda guys have accepted the fact that they have been owned! And who really wants to hear about how much money some dude makes.

......AMEN!!!!!

I agree even the honda guys have accepted the fact that they have been owned! And who really wants to hear about how much money some dude makes.

Ok i am not a Honda guy for one i just know a fare amount about them and alot of my freinds drive Honda's or Acura's. Second i agree no one whats to know how much someone makes i meen that is stupid and so not needed.

../insert/<holding picket sign>/smiley/...page 22!..page 22!.. page 22!..
:D

Ok i am not a Honda guy for one i just know a fare amount about them and alot of my freinds drive Honda's or Acura's. Second i agree no one whats to know how much someone makes i meen that is stupid and so not needed.

Dude seriously that was totally uncalled for!

I am sorry that I put up how much I make that was a mistake and was unessesarry. Someone just called out saying that My mother owned my car and that I only drive it on Tuesdays. I have worked to hard to have someone say that I didn't pay for my own stuff.

Also there are a lot of Trolls that are posting in this thread.

I highly suggest a Mod or Admin to Delete all of the unessary post in this thread and maybe even split this thread for the what is Rice and what is not thread or something.

MODS, time to lock??

I agree... This has become a waste...

I am sorry that I put up how much I make that was a mistake and was unessesarry. Someone just called out saying that My mother owned my car and that I only drive it on Tuesdays. I have worked to hard to have someone say that I didn't pay for my own stuff.

Also there are a lot of Trolls that are posting in this thread.

I highly suggest a Mod or Admin to Delete all of the unessary post in this thread and maybe even split this thread for the what is Rice and what is not thread or something.

So now ur tryin to call me a ricer dude?

Dude seriously that was totally uncalled for!

For what, but any way i give up and i am sorry if i offended anyone i am done with this thread.

you and this damn honda guy crap, I HATE HONDAS!!, u r crazy kid, only honda i like was the NSX, get it staight now, thanks, yea i post only 5 times here, cause there are other SS forums out there buddy where i get better info and visit more, because people like YOU are on this site brings it down, have fun driving ya rice!!! Hope that wing keeps you on EARTH! LOSER

That Post Is For Mad Mike And His Buddies, Sorry

dude, with that spoiler it's SAFE! she hugs the ground like nobodys business. and why would would i want to lower my car? pot holes around here are terrible. plus you don't need to be lowered to run in a straightline.

maybe next time you can come up with an intelligent arguement before you post. Thanks.

HAAAAAAAAAAA staight line huh REAL RACING HUH, then how u hug the ground like crazy as u say on them crazy corners u take it on, man u r a loser, ever think of setting suspension up right and dropping it would help hug ground retard, not that retard wing, keep playin NFS unground

one more thing yea u need it lower to run in straight line, every here of aerodynamics, all the air going under that truck lookin cravy u got, HA, man some of u kids on this site

you and this damn honda guy crap, I HATE HONDAS!!, u r crazy kid, only honda i like was the NSX,

Honda's hate you too.

The NSX is gorgeous, but overpriced and underpowered.

So, how 'bout that block? Perhaps it's to the "blackhole" we go?

you and this damn honda guy crap, I HATE HONDAS!!, u r crazy kid, only honda i like was the NSX, get it staight now, thanks, yea i post only 5 times here, cause there are other SS forums out there buddy where i get better info and visit more, because people like YOU are on this site brings it down, have fun driving ya rice!!! Hope that wing keeps you on EARTH! LOSER

Dude thats not right how can u flat out say that u hate hondas and how can u call them ricers they should be referred to as car enthusiasts!

Blah blah blah

</insert ::BITCHING IS GAY smiley:>/

ekool, i think it IS time to close this thread dontcha think!?... it was fun postwhoring with all of you though ;) ...

btw, if you enjoy OTHER cobalt sites, then stay there, stfu, and dont tell us what you think cuz we dont care..GOODBYE!

You all need to calm yourselves. You guys are acting girlier than me and my friends! Is it the new thing to argue? I guess im missing out on some fun! :p

You all need to calm yourselves. You guys are acting girlier than me and my friends!

:confused: wth?