Cobalt SS/SC dyno results with TOG http://www.theotherguysproducts.com :) shorty header:


http://www.ricermath.com/sspics/dyno2.jpg

http://www.ricermath.com/sspics/compar.jpg
The header makes 9.9whp and 4.9wtq on a mustang dyno. These are outstanding numbers for a shorty header. The runs were done with my car which is completely stock, and were ran on the same dyno both times. after the header was installed the car was driven for 300 miles to ensure everything was working properly before the dyno. from the graphs you can see this is not a spurt of power, the header produces power through the entire rpm range. if you look at the bottom graph you will see the green arrows and bracket. this is to show that where the stock manifold wasn't flowing enough, and it starts sagging a little, the TOG header has a massive advantage over it. From seeing this massive jump on the top end, that shows the header does not only give you extra power, when you start modding the car and more flow is going through on the bottom end, is: cams, head work, pully upgrades etc. this header is going to help you make that extra power easier, which in turn makes more power.

While driving the car i have noticed a few changes. when revving the engine while sitting still, before the boost would get up to about 5-8 psi at 4000rpms. now the engine flows so freely the boost will barely get to 1 maybe 2psi. this is good because it shows it takes less power to turn those rpms than it did before. same thing when driving from a stop. the tires break loose before the boost even kicks in. on the top end i seen that i was pushing 12psi instead of 12.5 as i have been. this lowered amount of boost shows the car is flowing much more air than from before. and the 0.5psi loss on the car, still allowed me to get a 9.9whp gain. imagine now with a pulley to make up that extra boost :) it's not about having 30 psi of boost, it's about how effecient the boost system is. i love the feel the way the car just wants to run away from me on the top end now, i have had no CEL's and the header fitment was perfect.

TOG asked us as a third party to do the install and completely test the unit without any involvment from them to ensure there was no question on the quality of their products. These results are as accurate as you will find and were done on a mustang dyno, by a shop in my state.

here's some comparison pics: the stock manifold has about a 1.5" to 1.75" collector. compared to the huge 3" collector with the TOG header :) one of the tog primaries is what the stock manifold was using to pass 4 cylinders worth of air through. when i seen that i just started laughing and knew before even starting up the car this was going to have some nice gains.
http://www.ricermath.com/sspics/manifold.jpg
http://www.ricermath.com/sspics/header002.jpg

those dyno results are for the tog header only. the header and downpipe #'s will be posted as soon as we can get more time on the dyno

Nice, also looks like more torque is available at a lower RPM according to the dynosheet. *two thumbs up*

Thanks for the info, 10hp isn't trivial.
And thanks for the picture of the stock manifold.
Although I said it's not a real header in the truest sense of the word, it is obviously better than the stock manifold.
Ron

Nice #'s can't wait for the other #'s.

Thanks for the info, 10hp isn't trivial.
And thanks for the picture of the stock manifold.



this is the sole reason why TOG wanted a third party to test this thing out. i'm not making a penny from anything he sells because of my work. i wish more companies would do this like he did. i have to say i nver heard of tog before, but he's got the best damn service from any company i have ever dealt with.

**Edited by request**

i've only been able to reach him a few times as well over the last week. i'm not sure he checks his email often

wasey Im surprised to hear this. From everything I've read theyre a top notch place to deal with. Well atleast theyre products are top notch. But I havent read anything bad about TOG as a company. Only company I've heard bad about is Intense. God help the Cobalt community if they decide to pawn their business off here and people buy their stuff. the LSJ will stand for LousyStupidJunk if they get their hands on it!!

Now, the big question is if they can build them and ship them to people how they should. My buddy has a GTP that has been waiting on his headers since August 17th, no replies to e-mails or anything. :o Well maybe they are waiting for sufficent orders before they even send the prototype out for actual production?? Like they are doing for the LSJ header??
. Your order will be promptly invoiced, but CC not charged until confirmation of a minimum of 35 orders placed
Regards,
Jon
The Other Guys Performance Products, Inc.I mean if you placed an order for the TOG header today... Who knows HOW LONG it will take before they get 35 orders, and THEN the headers still have to be fabbed and THEN likley sent somewhere else to be coated, before packaging and shipping
So from what I see the prototype looks great and the "independant" dyno runs appear promising BUT credit card secured pre-orders alone appear to dictate if this header will ever really be produced.
Don't get me wrong, I dont blame TOG for this practise- as it's just good/smart business. These days you cant expect anyone to invest in the R&D AND the upfront production costs for any new product like this. But if you're looking to get one of these headers before the snow flies... I think you're SOL!

JMO
WOT

There was a LOT of interest in this header, but some wanted to see it first, some wanted dyno numbers, etc....

Well here it is and 35 people need to step up by the deadline or production won't happen. Anything less that 35 units increases TOG's cost which then increases YOUR cost. TOG is already out a lot of money in R&D costs and I don't blame them for asking for credit card numbers for pre-orders.

Turn around time from the production facility is 10-14 days and the coating facility they use runs 24 hours a day 7 days a week so turnaround time on the coating is VERY MINIMAL.

I would hate to see production on this header not happen just because everyone who wanted one now won't step up with the money.

TOG builds a TOP NOTCH product with TOP NOTCH customer service so your money will be well spent!

I am definitly ordering TOG's header due to the fact of hard proof of horsepower and customer service. Look at there guarantee......UNLIMITED!!!!! They also say you can upgrade if they come up with a better header. Come on....order it.

yeah that's so true. i think people were expecting 25hp gains, which just isn't going to happen with the header alone. we'll see what the header and dp do as soon as i can get back on the dyno. i guess i'll probably go put the downpipe on tonight..

It could be very interesting and a MUST to do some dyno runs with your stock rear muffler removed ... to show real HP gains from the header an DP.

IS the TOG header will fit the stock downpipe without any special adaptors ?

From what TOG says it should....On the other hand their downpipe will only fit with TOG's header from what it sounds like.

You can't expect a header with a 3" outlet to bolt up to a downpipe with MAYBE a 2" inlet. So if you buy this header, you have to expect to buy a downpipe to match, or have one made.

And what would be the point to put the stock choking downpipe with cat on the end of that awesome header? That wouldn't help much with gains. I guess its possible, because they did and dynoed. But its not the best route for going fast.

But I'd be getting one if I had a Cobalt. TOG has a great reputation in my part of the woods.

IS the TOG header will fit the stock downpipe without any special adaptors ?

This is a COMPLETE bolt in header!!

You can install it to your stock downpipe and cat or you can upgrade to the TOG highflow combo.

I am sure the stock downpipe and cat is a restriction but we wanted to show the gains of JUST the header. I would expect some NICE gains one the high flow downpipe is installed.

It could be very interesting and a MUST to do some dyno runs with your stock rear muffler removed ... to show real HP gains from the header an DP.
The stock muffler MIGHT be robbing you of 3-4hp. But I wouldnt say any more than that. So for the love of god keep it on so the rest of society doesnt have to put up with angry bumble bee racket :mad:

You can't expect a header with a 3" outlet to bolt up to a downpipe with MAYBE a 2" inlet. So if you buy this header, you have to expect to buy a downpipe to match, or have one made.



it does bolt straight up to the stock downpipe. using the stock gasket, with no leaks and works perfectly. (the header with stock dp puts out 9.9whp) why you would want to keep the stock one on i'm not sure lol

I hope more people get on board, the have 2 orders right now... Mine is being placed on Friday.

I hope more people get on board, the have 2 orders right now... Mine is being placed on Friday.


hopefully so. i think alot of people signed up before the numbers were posted expecting some type of unrealistic 25whp bolt on which just isn't happening with a 4 cyl header

35 orders will not happen.

35 orders will not happen.

sure they will, once people start realizing what his header offers, and i'm sure once some other companies get knock off, cheap metal versions of a header people will look back and see the quality of tog's stuff. for example the weapon r ypipe that goes with the headers for my cougar were made so cheaply you could literally bend the metal with your bare hands. but it's all good cause i'll be buying a tog either way

TOG builds a TOP NOTCH product with TOP NOTCH customer service so your money will be well spent!

I can vouch for that. Great customer service and products. We have TOG headers on the regal, so I have some experience with the company. And I have met a few of them in person. Really nice people.

35 orders will not happen.

That's a great example of why we have to beg people for aftermarkets parts, and then they tell us it's not worth their time.

It was actually people from this board, and the Redline one, that went asking TOG to make some headers for us poor, left-out, folks. Now they did it, and now everyone who was desperate for one... isn't so interested anymore. Make me wonder how many people ever had the money/intentions to pick one up in the first place...

I think they're getting up to about 14 orders so far.

Y'all need to pony up on this one. Headers are a major stepping stone for modding these cars, regardless of what you are planning to do in the future. You will be able to feel the gains from this mod alone. It's worth the money, especially from such a reputable company.

Its because of the age group that mostly owns these cars.... 18-24... Either in High School or just out..... completely broke unless mommy and daddy will buy... BUT They will sure as hell will come on-line and beg beg beg for parts and talk about modifications... when the time comes they dont have jack to say... I feel sorry for TOG ... and for Psi Fi.... These companies put a lot of time into developing these products... probably partly because people show so much interest and then once they have a product people turn their backs on them... Thats ok though.... F*** YOU GUYS !!! Im ordering my TOG tomorrow.. tryed today but i forgot about the time change... :)

i'm waiting until the aftermarket actually becomes competitive, and the best products shine through. i want to wait to make sure i'm getting the best bang for my buck.

You think I'm wrong? I bet maybe a dozen people will have the money for the header. Its sad because this header is a good deal.

35 orders will not happen.

Wow, you must know something I don't? LMAO :D Care to tell me why 35 orders will not happen?

On a more POSITIVE :D note, the header WILL go to production so get your orders placed.

If you call TOG during the week and get the answering machine please leave a message. I've been quite busy in and out of the office. I will return your call the same day to take your order. If you are unable to call during the week and would like to place your order during the weekend, please e-mail me your name and phone # at jon@theotherguysproducts.com and I will check my e-mail periodically during the weekend and call you.

We are ONLY taking orders for the header and not the downpipe. The cost of the header is $420.00 shipped. We will offer the downpipe at another time.

Regards,

Jon
The Other Guys Performance Products, Inc.
(951)351-9466

i'm waiting until the aftermarket actually becomes competitive, and the best products shine through. i want to wait to make sure i'm getting the best bang for my buck.
If there SS/SC header is as good as the 3.8 S/C headers then im sure TOG will be at the top of the list. Plus their customer service is going to be hard to beat.

i'm waiting until the aftermarket actually becomes competitive, and the best products shine through. i want to wait to make sure i'm getting the best bang for my buck.

Pure brilliance. So when no one buys the parts from the few companies that do make parts for our cars, what do you think will happen? That the aftermarket will explode and be flooded with new parts? Think for a second. Competition is driven by want, need, and money. If the money is not there, neither is the aftermarket.

Pure brilliance. So when no one buys the parts from the few companies that do make parts for our cars, what do you think will happen? That the aftermarket will explode and be flooded with new parts? Think for a second. Competition is driven by want, need, and money. If the money is not there, neither is the aftermarket.

so i should just buy every single part that comes out for the car, just to help fuel the aftermarket? that's pretty stupid. there are enough people willing to buy now that i'm sure TOG will reach their goal, however, just because this is one of the few parts to come out doesn't mean it's the best. i'm not bashing them in anyway, they may be the one's to have the best header, and if that is shown, then i'll be shelling out the 500+ bucks to get one as well as their downpipe. but, for now, i'm going to wait until their's some competition in the market. jm2c, you don't have to agree with it.

dang this is a good price, especially if the product is as good as everyone is saying... i wish i could buy them but i want exhaust first... how long before the downpipe is tested to see how much it actually does and how long will the good price last?

i'm pretty sure there were some fitment issues with the header... though i don't recall. this is a pretty old thread and i haven't heard anything recently about tog's header.

Yikes! Do asearch for TOG
Headers were a disaster and TOG is out of business...
WOT

yeah, i just realized how old this thread was... my bad. so any good headers out yet?

yeah, i just realized how old this thread was... my bad. so any good headers out yet?

Hahn's racecraft is comming out with one very soon. I am testing one probably this month. Hahn has a great reputation and is a great company.

[QUOTE=selfinfliction]Cobalt SS/SC dyno results with TOG http://www.theotherguysproducts.com :) shorty header:


http://www.ricermath.com/sspics/dyno2.jpg

http://www.ricermath.com/sspics/compar.jpg
The header makes 9.9whp and 4.9wtq on a mustang dyno. These are outstanding numbers for a shorty header. The runs were done with my car which is completely stock, and were ran on the same dyno both times. after the header was installed the car was driven for 300 miles to ensure everything was working properly before the dyno. from the graphs you can see this is not a spurt of power, the header produces power through the entire rpm range. if you look at the bottom graph you will see the green arrows and bracket. this is to show that where the stock manifold wasn't flowing enough, and it starts sagging a little, the TOG header has a massive advantage over it. From seeing this massive jump on the top end, that shows the header does not only give you extra power, when you start modding the car and more flow is going through on the bottom end, is: cams, head work, pully upgrades etc. this header is going to help you make that extra power easier, which in turn makes more power.

While driving the car i have noticed a few changes. when revving the engine while sitting still, before the boost would get up to about 5-8 psi at 4000rpms. now the engine flows so freely the boost will barely get to 1 maybe 2psi. this is good because it shows it takes less power to turn those rpms than it did before. same thing when driving from a stop. the tires break loose before the boost even kicks in. on the top end i seen that i was pushing 12psi instead of 12.5 as i have been. this lowered amount of boost shows the car is flowing much more air than from before. and the 0.5psi loss on the car, still allowed me to get a 9.9whp gain. imagine now with a pulley to make up that extra boost :) it's not about having 30 psi of boost, it's about how effecient the boost system is. i love the feel the way the car just wants to run away from me on the top end now, i have had no CEL's and the header fitment was perfect.

TOG asked us as a third party to do the install and completely test the unit without any involvment from them to ensure there was no question on the quality of their products. These results are as accurate as you will find and were done on a mustang dyno, by a shop in my state.

here's some comparison pics: the stock manifold has about a 1.5" to 1.75" collector. compared to the huge 3" collector with the TOG header :) one of the tog primaries is what the stock manifold was using to pass 4 cylinders worth of air through. when i seen that i just started laughing and knew before even starting up the car this was going to have some nice gains.
http://www.ricermath.com/sspics/manifold.jpg
http://www.ricermath.com/sspics/header002.jpg[/QUOTE


Are these headers for sale and how much
thanx

no they are not for sale, TOG went out of business a few months ago.

Are these headers for sale and how much
thanx


i'll be selling the prototype header here shortly for probably $100 or so. it needs a little bit of work around the third primary (probably a couple of bucks to fix) and it's not ceramic coated.