So I raced 2 Cobalt SS 2 nights ago. Both modded. I was only running 14psi down from my normal 18. These guys were running off at the mouth like no other. And since I'm not a dick I didn't say nothing I just wanted to see how fast these things actually are. So I raced the first one from a dig. 3 cars ahead before he gave up. First from a roll 4 cars maybe more. Second car 2 cars from a dig missing third. from a roll too much. Not very fast guys.
But very nice cars. I just think there over rated. Peace

modded?.. how sow?.. only things they could have possibly had would be cai, pulley, psi-fi kit (doubtful), nos... so what where they "modded" with. Overrated?.. idt anyone has overrated it.. only a hair slower than your neons stock so im not quite sure what your talking about.

modded?.. how sow?.. only things they could have possibly had would be cai, pulley, psi-fi kit (doubtful), nos... so what where they "modded" with. Overrated?.. idt anyone has overrated it.. only a hair slower than your neons stock so im not quite sure what your talking about.

All he really has is a wga, and MBC. And his boost was only at 14psi, so he was pretty much stock also. Wouldn't a pulley up the boost, makeing that the superchagers eqivalent of what he was done to his srt?

Do you know what mods they had done? Or are you just assumeing they are modded? I would think if they had much done it would have been a little closer race. I'd bet they were stock or pretty close to it.

Seems kinda fishy that he ran in TWO of them (in one night) raced them BOTH and they were BOTH modded.....Like previously posted, there aren't that many "mods" out right now... AT ALL!! ehh, but good kills neways...

That's a good point, I don't even know if I've seen two of them yet. lol Let alone race 2 modded ones at the same time.

I've only seen ONE... EVER! And I only saw it twice! lol
And I haven't seen that many SRT-4s either, neither one of them are overcrowded like a lot of other sport compacts are.... The RL seems to be even more rare.

I have onyl seen two other SS, and i saw a silver redline today and SRT-4s, theyre as common as Grand prix GTP, everyones got one, another reason why i didnt really want one.

`yeah im gonna have to agree seeing 2 of them at once would be rare i think ive seen one on the road. also the srt has about 25 hp and more ft/lbs of torque too. so for a cobalt to win in a straight line rave its more the drivers. also ive heard a rumor that theyre gonna make a 2.4 ss s/c :D so just wait :p

I have onyl seen two other SS, and i saw a silver redline today and SRT-4s, theyre as common as Grand prix GTP, everyones got one, another reason why i didnt really want one.
There was about 27,000 SRT-4s produced during it's 3 year run. There will probably be that many CSS's made in just 2006 if not more.

There were only 10,000 for 05's i imagine its going to be some where around that for the 06's and up.

However that would make me not so much as a follower to run out and buy one because everyone has one. At least in 2 years i can say 2 years ago i was one of the most unique people around for 2 years, which is satisfying enough to me.

There were only 10,000 for 05's i imagine its going to be some where around that for the 06's and up.

However that would make me not so much as a follower to run out and buy one because everyone has one. At least in 2 years i can say 2 years ago i was one of the most unique people around for 2 years, which is satisfying enough to me.
But they were released about mid-way though 05 so 10,000 is a lot (if that is the correct number). I would imagine that a lot more will be produced as the years go on as they become more popular. There was only 3,000 SRT-4's made in 03 for a full produstion year (starting in sep of 02). ;)

I live in AZ and am yet to see another SS outside of our organized meets. I think im the only person in AZ with a psi fi kit (thats on any forums atleast). So I doubt they were very mod'd. Normally its the SRT4 guys around here running off at the mouth.

Good kills none the less.... I got wax'd pretty good by a stage 2 w/ a bunch of other mods the other day. Guy seem'd pretty nice though.

yea but the cobalt is gon kill w/the new boost kit upgrades, so SRT4s shouldnt be a problem as much as they used to. :D

yea but the cobalt is gon kill w/the new boost kit upgrades, so SRT4s shouldnt be a problem as much as they used to. :D
Except that 90% of the SRT-4's are already modded as well ;)

yea but the cobalt is gon kill w/the new boost kit upgrades, so SRT4s shouldnt be a problem as much as they used to. :D


Let me know when you find a stock or close to stock SRT that you can kill at will.

well im not trying to be biast or anything, but personally i'd rather have a car that has very nice suspension, decent HP, and is made by GM. Personally I dont like Dodge, and where i live there arent very many straight-aways to race on, let alone kids worthy enough to race. Well anyway, the point is 90% of the time, i'd rather be driving a cobalt over a neon. +20 HP isn't impressing me ;)

This guy mostlikey raced just one SS that was being driven by a kid who just got done at a Fast And The Furious movie marathon.

Modded most likely meant a color matched set of hoses and a 3" hole in the air box.

By the way stock means 100% original, different waste gates and other turbo bolt-ons may run the same PSI but it is managed differently.

By the way stock means 100% original, different waste gates and other turbo bolt-ons may run the same PSI but it is managed differently.

Yeah, but wont make much diff. All your gaining is the ability to hold 14 psi to red line. Not going to make a huge diff. And I did say he is pretty much stock, I didn't say completly stock.

yea but the cobalt is gon kill w/the new boost kit upgrades, so SRT4s shouldnt be a problem as much as they used to. :D
This kid is going to learn the exact opposite the hard way, and be very very disappointed afterwards. This is the second thread I've seen him say this. Sorry kid.

The GM stage 2 will make the Cobalt SS a solid 14.0 second with some 13.8-13.9's here or there, depending on driver skill! Add an CAI and a header, 13.5's are in reach. Not to bad for what I am guessing to be around $2000. ;) This will make it nearly as fast as some the planet's fastest GTP's!!

Fastest GTP's are in the 10's for the record, with alot of them being in the 11's. Still slow though for the amount of money in them. I dont believe in getting a GTP into the 11's, or even 12's. Too much time and money that could be spent on something with more potential to go faster.

At least you are thinking straight for now. That's how I feel about the Cobalt SS. Stage 2 will be all for me! Plus I said some, not all!!!

well im not trying to be biast or anything, but personally i'd rather have a car that has very nice suspension, decent HP, and is made by GM. Personally I dont like Dodge, and where i live there arent very many straight-aways to race on, let alone kids worthy enough to race. Well anyway, the point is 90% of the time, i'd rather be driving a cobalt over a neon. +20 HP isn't impressing me ;)

im gonna have to go ahead and agree with what he said. your srt may have alittle more hp but i could care less 20 hp is a few mods and i dont think theres any mods to make your 4 door a 2 door with out making it look really goofy...

GM Stage 1 should put the SS/SC into the 13's... or close to it.

GM Stage 2 should put the SS/SC in line w/ a Mopar Stage 1 SRT-4

GM Stage 3 (as rumored) should put the SS/SC in line w/ a Mopar Stage 2 SRT-4

That's IF both cars have only the stage kits as they come from their respective manufacturers. Start adding things like exhaust, aftermarket boost devices (pulley, mbc, wga, etc...) intakes and so forth, then it will come down to who is a better tuner.

I have a buddy that owns a performance shop and I asked him about the Stage 2 for the SS. He told me that I should not do it because once you start messing around with your engine you will never stop. Anyways he was trying to say is that you may have a lot of more problems then what you want so I guess that is a no for me also it will void my warranty too...

Yeah but stock sucks!!!

I have a buddy that owns a performance shop and I asked him about the Stage 2 for the SS. He told me that I should not do it because once you start messing around with your engine you will never stop. Anyways he was trying to say is that you may have a lot of more problems then what you want so I guess that is a no for me also it will void my warranty too...


Rumor has it that if you buy and install through the dealer there's a warranty and it doesn't void your current warranty. I would need to see it in writing myself to believe it but still I would do it in a heartbeat with warranty.

A Stage 2 SS will be more than equal to a Stage 1 SRT-4.

To all you SRT-4 guys,
Do I have to remind you that we are a 2.0 motor and if I remember right you guys are a 2.4 so we should not even be able to hang with you guys. And Car and Driver Mag. had us running the same 1/4 mile. So stop talking your shit. Both of are cars are domestic so shouldn't we be an alliance against all imports :confused:

To all you SRT-4 guys,
Do I have to remind you that we are a 2.0 motor and if I remember right you guys are a 2.4 so we should not even be able to hang with you guys. And Car and Driver Mag. had us running the same 1/4 mile. So stop talking your shit. Both of are cars are domestic so shouldn't we be an alliance against all imports :confused:

I think we should be in a alliance with the imports, we have more in comin with honda's then the big V8 guys who will always consider a FWD 4 cyl. car rice.


And most post's on here put the ss running high 14's @ 95 mph, and many srt's have gone high 13's at 100 mph. You can't really argue with the 5 mph diff, that's the extra power really shows.

If you have a clue how to drive, you're trapping at 98 or so in an SS.

A Stage 2 SS will be more than equal to a Stage 1 SRT-4.
A stage 1 SRT-4 (only mod being stage1) puts down 240hp/260tq and a stage 2 redline/CSS-SC is rated (by GM, no one knows for sure) at 241hp/218tq (I think that is correct). I think it would be a driver's race with the slight edge going to the SRT-4 but only time will tell.

A stage 1 SRT-4 (only mod being stage1) puts down 240hp/260tq and a stage 2 redline/CSS-SC is rated (by GM, no one knows for sure) at 241hp/218tq (I think that is correct). I think it would be a driver's race with the slight edge going to the SRT-4 but only time will tell.

218lbs/trq to 260lbs/trq!!! If the SRT-4 driver can lauch the race is over. even if he cant by the end of second gear the SS is done. The SS/SC is a nice car and I welcome it to the party, but straight line speed is not its strong point! :o

218lbs/trq to 260lbs/trq!!! If the SRT-4 driver can lauch the race is over. even if he cant by the end of second gear the SS is done. The SS/SC is a nice car and I welcome it to the party, but straight line speed is not its strong point! :o


Don't get me wrong I'm not totally into the magazine review as the bible but motor trend has them pretty close stock. As always there are variations in performance based on driver, tire pressure, weather, track ect... Granted I've seen postings of about .4 of a second faster for the SRT4 Neon. Guess it depends on the situation stock. As for upgrades we can only speculate until this stuff hits market and folks start to dyno. Both cars are hot little rides.

Both are faster stock 0-60 than everything but the WRX!

http://motortrend.com/roadtests/coupe/112_0505_joysticks/index5.html

Don't get me wrong I'm not totally into the magazine review as the bible but motor trend has them pretty close stock. As always there are variations in performance based on driver, tire pressure, weather, track ect... Granted I've seen postings of about .4 of a second faster for the SRT4 Neon. Guess it depends on the situation stock. As for upgrades we can only speculate until this stuff hits market and folks start to dyno. Both cars are hot little rides.

Both are faster stock 0-60 than everything but the WRX!

http://motortrend.com/roadtests/coupe/112_0505_joysticks/index5.html
The problem with that Motor Trend article is they do not even know where the numbers came from. It has been discussed to death already so that is all I will say about that. I have posted this before but: All things equal, the SRT-4 wins, but not all drivers are created equal. That is why some SS-SC's claim wins.

http://i18.photobucket.com/albums/b142/dazednconfused75/shit.jpg

This is *still* being aruged?? where's that dead horse....

To argue, endlessly, about the straight-line speed of these things is to miss the entire point of these cars I think. Neither of them are drag-racers, period. They happen to be hugely fast for small displacement fwd cars, but they were meant to be so much more. A MUCH better argument would be to line them up at an autocross course and see what happens. My money's on the SRT, but hear me out first.

1) Yes I know there's such thing as "driver skill" and freak things happening, but I'm talking about playing the averages... do 1000 runs kinda thing.

2) The SRT is a borderline race car, and in my short experiences with the thing it drives like it. The SS just isn't. It's *usable*, it's a daily driver, it rides nicer, then engine isn't insanely peaky, you can take a girl out on a date without her complaining that her kidneys hurt.

3) The "well if we stage x and it's stock then la la la" game gets old fast. It's the early-20's version of "my dad could beat up your dad!". Trouble is, Hulk Hogan coula whupped both of them just like for $10K you could build yourself a beast of an early 90's mustang/camero/firebird that'd probably run in the 10's. Sure it'd essentially be a POS wrapped around a crate motor but if going straight's all your into then that's the way to go.

Now, the above being said... choosing between the two as the car I'd buy I'd take the SS. To me it just seems like a better all-round car... slightly slower sure, but so much better in so many other areas. Thus concludes my $0.02

This is *still* being aruged?? where's that dead horse....

To argue, endlessly, about the straight-line speed of these things is to miss the entire point of these cars I think. Neither of them are drag-racers, period. They happen to be hugely fast for small displacement fwd cars, but they were meant to be so much more. A MUCH better argument would be to line them up at an autocross course and see what happens. My money's on the SRT, but hear me out first.

1) Yes I know there's such thing as "driver skill" and freak things happening, but I'm talking about playing the averages... do 1000 runs kinda thing.

2) The SRT is a borderline race car, and in my short experiences with the thing it drives like it. The SS just isn't. It's *usable*, it's a daily driver, it rides nicer, then engine isn't insanely peaky, you can take a girl out on a date without her complaining that her kidneys hurt.

3) The "well if we stage x and it's stock then la la la" game gets old fast. It's the early-20's version of "my dad could beat up your dad!". Trouble is, Hulk Hogan coula whupped both of them just like for $10K you could build yourself a beast of an early 90's mustang/camero/firebird that'd probably run in the 10's. Sure it'd essentially be a POS wrapped around a crate motor but if going straight's all your into then that's the way to go.

Now, the above being said... choosing between the two as the car I'd buy I'd take the SS. To me it just seems like a better all-round car... slightly slower sure, but so much better in so many other areas. Thus concludes my $0.02

I think the dead horse is the argument of which is better SRT4 or SS. You have to go with what you like based on character of the car, your wants and needs. I was just merely trying to make a point of no matter who said this or who said that the bottom line is you're probably not going to know which is faster by driving unless you line them up then it's a case by case basis.

Kind of like which is better the new Z06 Vette or the new SRT10 Viper.

The Dodge Charger with the 5.7 Hemi or the new Grand Prix GXP/Impala SS with the 5.3L Vortec.

Which moded car is better this or that. ect...

Folks can discuss any of those for as long as they both care to bring up points and counter points.

Nobody was talking shit. and down here where I live there is 2 red ss and a silver one. I didn''t ask what was done to them. I have total respect for all domestics I wasn't talking shit don't get your panties in a bunch

Nobody was talking shit. and down here where I live there is 2 red ss and a silver one. I didn''t ask what was done to them. I have total respect for all domestics I wasn't talking shit don't get your panties in a bunch


Dude I don't know what you expect from folks when you jump on a website called cobaltss.com and tell everybody how the 21-26K car they just bought is overrated. :cool:

I'm sure folks go onto the SRT4 website talkin a little game for fun and all.

I don't take it to heart I figured based on stats that the SRT4 was a little better in a 0-60 sprint, but I went with the vehicle I thought was best for me. Just like the SRT4 guys went with what they wanted and they thought was best for them.

Also I suggest taking your racing to the track guys it isn't work your license, insurance and possible jail time depending on your driving record, history with the law, and the mood of the DA and Judge that day.

It is always fun to rib and tease each other a little though so long as no one takes stuff serious....it's kind of like when my younger brother's give me a hard time. They touch on things that other folks would hear and think we hate each other but it's not even like that. As it is they will be back from the Marines soon and I'm sure they will be talkin smakc and trying to wrestle their MUCH bigger and still MUCH stronger older brother. Trust me if they win even one time because of all the training their getting and all the exercise I will never hear the end of it. Odds are I'll still win but I am getting a little older *27* They are 19 and 22 respectively. Either way it will not be taken to heart if I win or they win. Our prides might be a little hurt but it's all part of the game.


Anyhow I'll get off my soapbox now and get you all back to your regularly scheduled discussion. :)

i put 300 hundred dollars in my car and ran a 13.60 you have to put 2000 in your car to run the same as me thats not good at all not trying to talk about the car cause i wanted one when i was looking for a car but didn't have one in stock so i got a srt but i am happy with what i got their was a ss/sc at the local track over the weekend and it could not get under a 15.8 i thought they were supose to go mid 14 just thought i would ask

i put 300 hundred dollars in my car and ran a 13.60 you have to put 2000 in your car to run the same as me thats not good at all not trying to talk about the car cause i wanted one when i was looking for a car but didn't have one in stock so i got a srt but i am happy with what i got their was a ss/sc at the local track over the weekend and it could not get under a 15.8 i thought they were supose to go mid 14 just thought i would ask


Like I said depends on what you want it for. Also 15.8 seems awful slow even if the car is overated lets say by all the car magazines, folks that dyno ect.. Sounds like those times are way understated ;)

Relax guys/gals I'm just having some fun. If those times are legit I guess the SRT4 was just that much faster and better on that day with those drivers. I'm sure someone will post something where their SS/SC with pulley kit, CAI, CAT-BACK ect....scored a 13.9 and killed the SRT4 that only ran a 14.5 ect..ect...

I've seen teams in the NFL have really good games and beat the better team and teams get blown out that it would be ok to loose but they never should have been blown out ect..

OK Really I'm done this time. :D

GM Stage 1 should put the SS/SC into the 13's... or close to it.

GM Stage 2 should put the SS/SC in line w/ a Mopar Stage 1 SRT-4

GM Stage 3 (as rumored) should put the SS/SC in line w/ a Mopar Stage 2 SRT-4

That's IF both cars have only the stage kits as they come from their respective manufacturers. Start adding things like exhaust, aftermarket boost devices (pulley, mbc, wga, etc...) intakes and so forth, then it will come down to who is a better tuner.

usually I agree with the things you say but isn't a stage 1 srt-4 basically and 04-05 srt with out the toys? Our stage two would handle that with out too many problems. Hell my car boost stacking to 14.5 psi because my cat was on the way out (according to the Gtp guys) and a welfare airbox mod had me noseing one of my friends 04 srt-4 with cold air (by a hood maybe ) and dead even with one of my good friends 04 srt-4's (digs and rolls). The srt-4 is quick no doubt but you guys brush the cobalt off as a non-threat too easily. By the time next summer rolls around hopefully the cobalt ss with an aftermarket can start earning its stripes in the racing community. But hey I exspected half this kind of response from the srt-4 guys. The 03's forgot how hard they had it when there car first came out and no one took them seriously. Now that they have aftermarket support up the wazzoo and mods for days Its easy to get comfortable and look down on other cars.

Stage 1 increases the boost and performance, even on 04 and 05 cars.

I know there is some confusion about this; I've talked to several newbie SRT-4 owners that thought they had "Stage 1" from the factory on their 04/05 SRT-4. The '03 SRT-4 had smaller fuel injectors than the 04/05's did so Stage 1 for 03 included new fuel injectors. The 04/05 SRT-4's already had the larger fuel injectors so Stage 1 for 04/05 is just an ECU.

Based off the numbers GM has released for GM's Stage 2, the output should be about equal to that of an SRT-4 running Stage 1.

usually I agree with the things you say but isn't a stage 1 srt-4 basically and 04-05 srt with out the toys? Our stage two would handle that with out too many problems. Hell my car boost stacking to 14.5 psi because my cat was on the way out (according to the Gtp guys) and a welfare airbox mod had me noseing one of my friends 04 srt-4 with cold air (by a hood maybe ) and dead even with one of my good friends 04 srt-4's (digs and rolls). The srt-4 is quick no doubt but you guys brush the cobalt off as a non-threat too easily. By the time next summer rolls around hopefully the cobalt ss with an aftermarket can start earning its stripes in the racing community. But hey I exspected half this kind of response from the srt-4 guys. The 03's forgot how hard they had it when there car first came out and no one took them seriously. Now that they have aftermarket support up the wazzoo and mods for days Its easy to get comfortable and look down on other cars.
What do you mean "an 04-05 SRT-4 without the toys"? Stock 04 SRT-4 dynos at 230hp/250/tq, stage 1 SRT-4 dynos at 240hp/260tq and yes it is just a ECU swap like Mchat stated. Those are jut peak numbers but the torque curve and power output is changed and dyno graphs show a increase of 20+ HP and torque throughout the RPM range. It is whats under the curve that matters. ;) That being said, no one really knows what the stages for the CSS and Redline will dyno at either. GM might have underrated the stages and stage 2 might dyno at 250+ FWHP for all we know! So only time will tell.

What do you mean "an 04-05 SRT-4 without the toys"? Stock 04 SRT-4 dynos at 230hp/250/tq, stage 1 SRT-4 dynos at 240hp/260tq and yes it is just a ECU swap like Mchat stated. ok cool didn't know the 04-05's didn't get a stage 1 pcm with it my fault on that one but still every one is looking at it like if the cobalt can't put out similar hp/tq numbers that it can't ever beat an srt-4. Hell even on your own forum there is a vid of a stage 3 non hom mode dead even than begining to walk a supercharged 05 mustang (from a roll) but the mustang put out roughly 15-20 more hp/tq. So what im trying to get at is that the a modded cobalt doesn't have to put out the same number as other modded cars to be a match for them because all cars are different in how fast they can go on a certain amount of hp/tq. I just don't want it to turn into closed minded thinking like any modded car that can't put out the same 230hp/250tq number like a stock srt-4 can't beat it.

ok cool didn't know the 04-05's didn't get a stage 1 pcm with it my fault on that one but still every one is looking at it like if the cobalt can't put out similar hp/tq numbers that it can't ever beat an srt-4. Hell even on your own forum there is a vid of a stage 3 non hom mode dead even than begining to walk a supercharged 05 mustang (from a roll) but the mustang put out roughly 15-20 more hp/tq. So what im trying to get at is that the a modded cobalt doesn't have to put out the same number as other modded cars to be a match for them because all cars are different in how fast they can go on a certain amount of hp/tq. I just don't want it to turn into closed minded thinking like any modded car that can't put out the same 230hp/250tq number like a stock srt-4 can't beat it.

This is true, however the weight difference between a Mustang and an SRT-4 is substantial. The weight difference between the Cobalt and the Neon is minimal. Also consider that the SRT-4, especially Staged SRT-4's have a considerable amount of torque.

The weight difference between the Cobalt and the Neon is minimal. Also consider that the SRT-4, especially Staged SRT-4's have a considerable amount of torque.
Yeah i was thinking if anything its the torque thing kicking the cobalts ass againts a neon but the the only glimmer of hope is that honda's don't rely totally on torque to get the job done so maybe the cobalt won't need it either. They use things like crazy gearing since short gear ratio's is like a torque multiplier. But than I just remembered that the cobalt has tall euro gears in it's sweedish tranny...... but you get what im saying the cobalt shouldn't be a total bust in its race for horse power........hopefully. Shit gm should have turbo charged this motor when i think about it. I read some where generally turbo's put out better torque numbers than superchargers. And that extra .4 displacment you guys have makes it hard to catch up when trying to go mod for mod hp for hp.

This is true, however the weight difference between a Mustang and an SRT-4 is substantial. The weight difference between the Cobalt and the Neon is minimal. Also consider that the SRT-4, especially Staged SRT-4's have a considerable amount of torque.


I've read that for every 100 lbs it's equivalent to 10 HP. I don't know if that is totally true but it seems feasable. 100 less lbs like adding 10 HP adding 100 lbs like taking away 10 HP.

That said I need to go on a diet :) hahahah

I've read that for every 100 lbs it's equivalent to 10 HP. I don't know if that is totally true but it seems feasable. 100 less lbs like adding 10 HP adding 100 lbs like taking away 10 HP.

That said I need to go on a diet :) hahahah

I'm not entirely sure about that... could be right... conventional drag wisdom is that 100lbs is worth a tenth of a second though, for what that's worth

Yeah i was thinking if anything its the torque thing kicking the cobalts ass againts a neon but the the only glimmer of hope is that honda's don't rely totally on torque to get the job done so maybe the cobalt won't need it either. They use things like crazy gearing since short gear ratio's is like a torque multiplier. But than I just remembered that the cobalt has tall euro gears in it's sweedish tranny...... but you get what im saying the cobalt shouldn't be a total bust in its race for horse power........hopefully. Shit gm should have turbo charged this motor when i think about it. I read some where generally turbo's put out better torque numbers than superchargers. And that extra .4 displacment you guys have makes it hard to catch up when trying to go mod for mod hp for hp.

Yea, the gears you have and the higher redline (and the fact that the SS/SC makes it's peak at or near redline) will help. At what MPH do you have to shift into 4th gear? For SRT-4's we have to shift into 4th at about the 1000' mark, or ~90mph. So the Cobalt SS/SC has a slight advantage there, until you start modding it to the point that you need to shift into 4th as well... after that it's a loooooong ways before you're needing to shift into 5th... I'm crossing the finish line between 5000 and 5500 rpm in my car in 4th, trapping at 125+.

I've read that for every 100 lbs it's equivalent to 10 HP. I don't know if that is totally true but it seems feasable. 100 less lbs like adding 10 HP adding 100 lbs like taking away 10 HP.

That said I need to go on a diet :) hahahah

That depends on what your HP to Weight Ratio is. ;)

In our HP to Weight Ratio range 10:1 is a close estimate. Same thing with the 100lbs = .1 off your E.T. in the 1/4.

The more weight redux you do, the more it effects your E.T.

For instance taking 100 lbs from a 3000lb car with 200whp will drop it from a 14.36 1/4 mile to a 14.20 1/4 mile. A difference of .16 seconds.

Taking 100lbs from a 2000lb car with 200whp will drop it from a 12.55 1/4 mile to a 12.34 1/4 mile. A difference of .21 seconds.

Going even further on the theory, taking 100lbs from a 500lb car with 200whp will drop it from a 7.91 1/4 mile to a 7.34 1/4 mile. A difference of .57 seconds.

Going to the extreme opposite, taking 100lbs from a 10000lb car w/ 200 whp will drop it from a 21.46 1/4 mile to a 21.38 1/4 mile a difference of .08 seconds.

I hit the limiter in 3rd right at about 1320' at 97-98. It looks like GM will be upping the rev limiter another 300-500 rpm with the stage flash so that will help a lot especially on the 1-2 shift. Right now, the 1-2 shift leaves us just shy of where I'd like to be on the tach.

Some 26x6" slicks will keep you in 3rd gear quite a bit longer too... probably to around 105 mph... if you can find a 15" wheel that will clear your caliper. Speaking of which, when someone is ready to try, get in contact with Rich at Bogart wheels with the measurements. They'll be 100% custom wheels most likely but if anyone can do it they can. Probably close to $400 per wheel tho, so be prepared.

At what MPH do you have to shift into 4th gear? For SRT-4's we have to shift into 4th at about the 1000' mark, or ~90mph. So the Cobalt SS/SC has a slight advantage there, until you start modding it to the point that you need to shift into 4th as well... after that it's a loooooong ways before you're needing to shift into 5th... I'm crossing the finish line between 5000 and 5500 rpm in my car in 4th, trapping at 125+.

Ah agift and a curse with the gear thing. In a shorter race (40 roll) the srt pulls hard cause of its short third gear but as your stock car is sitting at the bottom of its 4th gear our taller 3rd is still pulling to peak hp. Yeah if the staged reflash gives us a higher redline will that trans late in to the gear redlining at a higher rpm? Cause right now my 2 ends at 65 will a higher redline pull it to lets say 67-69? and my third ends at 100 so does that mean that 102-104 is possible.

my second gear ends at 66 and third ends at 106, but that is due to my DR's which are 255/50/16, it really helps, on the street, except right now I have to shift into 4th pretty close to the end of the 1/4 so i get less than a second of 4th, but more power will get me there quicker, so it's just a waiting game to see what parts I want to buy now...

my second gear ends at 66 and third ends at 106, but that is due to my DR's which are 255/50/16, it really helps, on the street, except right now I have to shift into 4th pretty close to the end of the 1/4 so i get less than a second of 4th, but more power will get me there quicker, so it's just a waiting game to see what parts I want to buy now...

once the cars get a higher redline won't it feel weird doing 70+ in second and almost 110 plus on third...In your car with its setup i mean. Most car companies go for shorter gear why is gm going with taller gears. And it doesn't make since we have tall gears but a short as final drive!?!. I never did understand the gear ratio thing all too well, not my area.

once the cars get a higher redline won't it feel weird doing 70+ in second and almost 110 plus on third...In your car with its setup i mean. Most car companies go for shorter gear why is gm going with taller gears. And it doesn't make since we have tall gears but a short as final drive!?!. I never did understand the gear ratio thing all too well, not my area.


The gearing was worse on the first RL. They shortened it up a bit, but they claim the use of the existing SAAB tranny is what got them a little. They had to pull something out of the existing parts bin if you will for RL and the SS/SC. They claimed it would have taken a while longer to create a new tranny and then get it certified with the 2.0 SC. At least that is what I read about over a year ago in Sports Compact Car.

Don't worry with the Rev limit increased it won't make your gears any 'taller' from a ratio standpoint, just allow you to run into the gear a little longer since the engine is still making power when we are forced to shift by the rev limiter. Again they claim that was done initially for certification use and durability/longevity of the engine and supporting components.

http://www.sportcompactcarweb.com/roadtests/0405scc_redline/

they turned a 15.3 @94mph???

I don't believe the gearing was the problem, I think horrible launching was... Thank God they didn't post their fantastic 2.6 second 60' :)

The gearing was worse on the first RL. They shortened it up a bit, but they claim the use of the existing SAAB tranny is what got them a little. They had to pull something out of the existing parts bin if you will for RL and the SS/SC. They claimed it would have taken a while longer to create a new tranny and then get it certified with the 2.0 SC. At least that is what I read about over a year ago in Sports Compact Car.

Don't worry with the Rev limit increased it won't make your gears any 'taller' from a ratio standpoint, just allow you to run into the gear a little longer since the engine is still making power when we are forced to shift by the rev limiter. Again they claim that was done initially for certification use and durability/longevity of the engine and supporting components.

http://www.sportcompactcarweb.com/roadtests/0405scc_redline/

Wanna here something funny though i think its that gearing matched with the fact that the car makes power up till redline that makes the car able to do so good from a rolling start. Yeah i feel in a way they kinda rushed the cobaltss/sc because maybe they didn't want to miss the "car tuner" boat that people have been hoping on.

Screw that All imports are inalliance with each other and all of us dommestics including v8's should push them back out into the water and sail those motherfucker back to where they came from lol.
Or if you don't believe me them maybe this guy'll convince you all :D
http://videos.streetfire.net/Player.aspx?fileid=AE341170-D6ED-4311-BB48-9B5029858254&p=0

The gearing was worse on the first RL. They shortened it up a bit, but they claim the use of the existing SAAB tranny is what got them a little.



Uuuh..no. The part numbers for trannies for the 2004, 2005, 2006 Red Line and the 2005, 2006 Cobalt SS/SC are exactly the same.

Screw that All imports are inalliance with each other and all of us dommestics including v8's should push them back out into the water and sail those motherfucker back to where they came from lol.
Or if you don't believe me them maybe this guy'll convince you all :D


There will never be a real alliance. The car "Wars" is what keeps People modding there cars and keeps aftermarket parts makers in business. I don't know about anyone else but me I respect all cars to an exstent but personally im trying to crush'em all. Even the other cobalt SS's on long island where im at. We can be cool but a part of me is always ganna wanna race them and win. 4 down 30 to go :D

Wanna here something funny though i think its that gearing matched with the fact that the car makes power up till redline that makes the car able to do so good from a rolling start. Yeah i feel in a way they kinda rushed the cobaltss/sc because maybe they didn't want to miss the "car tuner" boat that people have been hoping on.


They gave the cobalt SS/SC and the RL now more aggressive gearing since that old Sport Compact Car review. yes you are right that the rolling start is quite good for these cars. Car and Driver noted that a rolling start can be anywhere from 6.2-6.5. Which means it has plenty of bottom end grunt which is what I like, not top end type motors. I do like the top end on say my wife's Prelude but I love the cobalts off the line power better. All in taste.

I just wanted to make a point. It's like my truck has 4.10 gears but I got a hypertech and made the rev limiter go up about 300 RPM and it doesn't change the fact that I have 4.10 gears.

Bottom end tq, short gears will give you better launch/rolling start times. Just look at the old 2.0 WRX rolling start 5-60 was almost 1.5 seconds off of 0-60 with all-wheel drive launch.

Uuuh..no. The part numbers for trannies for the 2004, 2005, 2006 Red Line and the 2005, 2006 Cobalt SS/SC are exactly the same.

Uuuh....yea you need to do better research on your stuff before you open mouth and insert foot. I am talking about gearing. the tranny can be the same but have a different gear ratio.

Tranny sure, it comes from the SAAB parts bin. The gearing changed from the time of that article and what we see today. The RL and the Cobal SS/SC should be the same today, and for all I know *I don't know a ton about the RL vs. the Cobalt SS/SC* they never put into production those gearings.

Look below and you will see how they are different per GM and that article from Sport compact car.

Anyhow my point is that I think GM wised up and updated the RL before it shipped out or maybe the gearing was like that for the first production set I don't know. But I found it odd that SCC could only get 0-60 in 7+ seconds. I looked at the gearing and noticed they seemed kind of long. Also with the ECU flash and the current set-up our gearing doesn't really change now does it, but how much power we can still grab up top changes.



Transmission
Gear Ratios:
1 3.380:1
2 1.760:1
3 1.180:1
4 0.890:1
5 0.700:1
Final drive: 4.050:1
Differential: Open


SS Supercharged- specific five-speed manual with overdrive
MM5
Gear ratios
First gear 4.05
Second gear 2.02
Third gear 1.35
Fourth gear 0.98
Fifth gear — 0.69
Reverse 3.31
Final drive ratios 3.94
Case material aluminum aluminum aluminum

Uuuh....yea you need to do better research on your stuff before you open mouth and insert foot. I am talking about gearing. the tranny can be the same but have a different gear ratio.

Tranny sure, it comes from the SAAB parts bin. The gearing changed from the time of that article and what we see today. The RL and the Cobal SS/SC should be the same today, and for all I know *I don't know a ton about the RL vs. the Cobalt SS/SC* they never put into production those gearings.

Look below and you will see how they are different per GM and that article from Sport compact car.

Anyhow my point is that I think GM wised up and updated the RL before it shipped out or maybe the gearing was like that for the first production set I don't know. But I found it odd that SCC could only get 0-60 in 7+ seconds. I looked at the gearing and noticed they seemed kind of long. Also with the ECU flash and the current set-up our gearing doesn't really change now does it, but how much power we can still grab up top changes.



Transmission
Gear Ratios:
1 3.380:1
2 1.760:1
3 1.180:1
4 0.890:1
5 0.700:1
Final drive: 4.050:1
Differential: Open


SS Supercharged- specific five-speed manual with overdrive
MM5
Gear ratios
First gear 4.05
Second gear 2.02
Third gear 1.35
Fourth gear 0.98
Fifth gear — 0.69
Reverse 3.31
Final drive ratios 3.94
Case material aluminum aluminum aluminum


Gotcha. I just knew that the gearing is the same. It was a big debate right before the Cobalt came out. I think SCC doesn't like Saturn or got a preproduction model.


Is there a need to be a cocky little prick about it?

Gotcha. I just knew that the gearing is the same. It was a big debate right before the Cobalt came out. I think SCC doesn't like Saturn or got a preproduction model.


Is there a need to be a cocky little prick about it?


Well you reap what you sow right? You started with a heavy contradiction 'Uuu.....no.....' Why couldn't you just dispute by saying I don't think so because I see the same part number for the transmission ect... or however you want to express.

However on this site I guess we can express ourselves such as you did first. I only expressed my feelings about how you inserted your foot into your mouth with that. You didn't understand gearing ect.. so I was tyring to help everyone. If I offended you I am sorry, but I have run into several others on here that if you don't stay strong they start running you into the ground. I.E. WASEY. :-)

Anyhow I don't want you to think of me like that. I was merely trying to help folks out. I've been slow to push out info and such as I don't want to start things such as this.

In closing please accept my apology if I offended you, however please understand how your response to me could be mistaken. Also please refrain from calling me a prick.

That is pretty heavy and rude.

shfting at redline is great if your motor is still making power up there. i've seen a few dyno read outs from diffrent cars and they will drop 30-50 hp in the last 800rpm. the best way to shift is to get a dyno readout and fingd the max hp point and shift slightly beyond that. that kind of stuff. also if anyone is intrested gm makes a lower final ratio for the ss/sc tranny. it would help with 1/4 times

The LSJ's DO still make power there(redline)! Thats why everyone wants to raise the limiter...

The LSJ's DO still make power there(redline)! Thats why everyone wants to raise the limiter...


You beat me to it! :)

Same thing with the 5.3L Vortec in my Silverado. That's why I did the Hypertech. Moved the Rev limiter up, set it to run on premium for the engine mapping, and finally enabled firmer shifting on the auto.

Good stuff.

shfting at redline is great if your motor is still making power up there. i've seen a few dyno read outs from diffrent cars and they will drop 30-50 hp in the last 800rpm. the best way to shift is to get a dyno readout and fingd the max hp point and shift slightly beyond that. that kind of stuff. also if anyone is intrested gm makes a lower final ratio for the ss/sc tranny. it would help with 1/4 times

Where did you find the tranny with the lower final ratio? gmgoodwrench.com?

However on this site I guess we can express ourselves such as you did first. I only expressed my feelings about how you inserted your foot into your mouth with that. You didn't understand gearing ect.. so I was tyring to help everyone. If I offended you I am sorry, but I have run into several others on here that if you don't stay strong they start running you into the ground. I.E. WASEY. :-)

Anyhow I don't want you to think of me like that. I was merely trying to help folks out. I've been slow to push out info and such as I don't want to start things such as this.

In closing please accept my apology if I offended you, however please understand how your response to me could be mistaken. Also please refrain from calling me a prick.



It's all good...and there's a reason Wasey's no longer with us. :D

I'd also like to offer my apology because I did come across rather rude and ended up learning something in the process.

i am a gm technician(fancy word for mechanic). i bought a cobalt ls on aug 11/05 and i drove a customers ss two weeks ago for an issue. it was so much nicer to drive in all aspects that i went to our sales manager/owner and factory ordered an 06' ss with g85 in arrival blue. it was 10 weeks away then, should be another 8 or so(if on time)
a couple days after i ordered it i took the cpt training video home on the cobalt/pursuit. they talk about performance upgrades. all they said about upgrades was a stage 1 approx 236hp(no mention of torque) and stage 2 280ish, no mention of torque. but they did mention a clutch for stage 2. anyways, just thought i'd let you know. who knows for sure until they are out but this is what the engineers(2) said in the gm training video

It's all good...and there's a reason Wasey's no longer with us. :D

I'd also like to offer my apology because I did come across rather rude and ended up learning something in the process.


No worries, and yes I have seen you and wasey go back and forth. I don't want that to happen on here anymore.

It is also good to ask questions that is how we all learn and God knows I sure as heck don't know it all.
:)

i am a gm technician(fancy word for mechanic). i bought a cobalt ls on aug 11/05 and i drove a customers ss two weeks ago for an issue. it was so much nicer to drive in all aspects that i went to our sales manager/owner and factory ordered an 06' ss with g85 in arrival blue. it was 10 weeks away then, should be another 8 or so(if on time)
a couple days after i ordered it i took the cpt training video home on the cobalt/pursuit. they talk about performance upgrades. all they said about upgrades was a stage 1 approx 236hp(no mention of torque) and stage 2 280ish, no mention of torque. but they did mention a clutch for stage 2. anyways, just thought i'd let you know. who knows for sure until they are out but this is what the engineers(2) said in the gm training video


Check this out! I don't kow how true it is but it probably isn't too far off from what to expect. It is already posted in another thread but I'll put it up here anyway. I hope it is more like 270-280 HP and under what GM specs say of 245 or so.

http://www.*************/forums//showthread.php?t=7965&page=1&pp=20

So I raced 2 Cobalt SS 2 nights ago. Both modded. I was only running 14psi down from my normal 18. These guys were running off at the mouth like no other. And since I'm not a dick I didn't say nothing I just wanted to see how fast these things actually are. So I raced the first one from a dig. 3 cars ahead before he gave up. First from a roll 4 cars maybe more. Second car 2 cars from a dig missing third. from a roll too much. Not very fast guys.
But very nice cars. I just think there over rated. PeaceIf your running a well tuned car at 18 psi your going to kick alot of ass outthere. even a 14psi your going to kick a SS/SC modded to the max, RIGHT NOW, for two reasons.

1. if those cobalts were modded they would be max 265 WHP.

2. Just the other day I saw TUNER CHALLENGE on SPEED VISION where they took an SRT-4, upgraded the turbo, fuel management, 3" exhaust and ran it with 16 LBS of boost and got a mind numbing 372WHP!

There is no way you can compare the two right now. at 14LBS I bet you are pushing 325WHP at least.

I respect what can be done with the SRT-4. BUt that Kind of performance kit and knowledge was not available one year after the SRT-4 arrived. There is plenty of potential behind the 2.0 SS/SC as GM Performance has already proved.

Buy the way I dont need your respect today. That is because the SS/SC will earn your respect one day. its the new kid on the block and has to prove itself.

PS - I reread what I typed and feel it is quite possible you could take offense or find me to be cocky. My goal is not to piss you off, merely trying to point out some aspects that you may not have thought about.

PSS- have you dynoed your car? what WHP do you get with 14psi and at 18psi? just curious.

If your running a well tuned car at 18 psi your going to kick alot of ass outthere. even a 14psi your going to kick a SS/SC modded to the max, RIGHT NOW, for two reasons.

1. if those cobalts were modded they would be max 265 WHP.

2. Just the other day I saw TUNER CHALLENGE on SPEED VISION where they took an SRT-4, upgraded the turbo, fuel management, 3" exhaust and ran it with 16 LBS of boost and got a mind numbing 372WHP!

There is no way you can compare the two right now. at 14LBS I bet you are pushing 325WHP at least.

I respect what can be done with the SRT-4. BUt that Kind of performance kit and knowledge was not available one year after the SRT-4 arrived. There is plenty of potential behind the 2.0 SS/SC as GM Performance has already proved.

Buy the way I dont need your respect today. That is because the SS/SC will earn your respect one day. its the new kid on the block and has to prove itself.

PS - I reread what I typed and feel it is quite possible you could take offense or find me to be cocky. My goal is not to piss you off, merely trying to point out some aspects that you may not have thought about.

PSS- have you dynoed your car? what WHP do you get with 14psi and at 18psi? just curious.



i think that sparta is still on stock turbo and 14 psi is what they run stock, so no he is not anywhere near 325 hp

yes stock turbo. I am going to be doing a video to prove how slow these ss cobalts are. My buddy just bought a red 2006. Either way you will see how slow they are compared to my srt @ 14 psi. Sorry guy.

yes stock turbo. I am going to be doing a video to prove how slow these ss cobalts are. My buddy just bought a red 2006. Either way you will see how slow they are compared to my srt @ 14 psi. Sorry guy.


So how would you rate your 'friend' as a driver compared to you? You are better he is better, both are just ok at driving ect....

Also make sure he gets some miles on the Cobalt SS so it can break-in. I say 'break-in' not for anything other than the fact all cars loosen up a little and are faster after that first 1K or so.

Good luck have fun be safe.

yes stock turbo. I am going to be doing a video to prove how slow these ss cobalts are. My buddy just bought a red 2006. Either way you will see how slow they are compared to my srt @ 14 psi. Sorry guy.

To be honest.. i dont think anyone gives a flying fuck how your piece of shit neon is going to fair against a new SS.. oh.. double check that he bought the SC model.. cause we all know the problems that would create. We al know the SS has less hp than the neons, so why the fuck would we give a shit what the result is. Have fun jerking your friend off.

Just for reference, my car on the stock turbo w/ just about every bolt on made ~275whp at ~20psi.

My car with the upgraded turbo made ~300whp on 10psi. Big difference the larger turbo makes.

To be honest.. i dont think anyone gives a flying fuck how your piece of shit neon is going to fair against a new SS.. oh.. double check that he bought the SC model.. cause we all know the problems that would create. We al know the SS has less hp than the neons, so why the fuck would we give a shit what the result is. Have fun jerking your friend off.

dude calm the fuck down . No need to stoop to a lower level by calling peoples cars pieces of shit and so forth. So he thinks they are overated. Big deal. Why should you care? Everyone has their opinion and they are entitled to it. True, sometimes its best to keep an opinion to themsevles/yourselves but it doesn't always work out like that. Simma down.

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