Ok one night im just cruising down amherst rd. in NH, and this is a long ass road...and the speed limit is 30. So im going about 35-40 ya know. Well anyway...a car comes flying up on my ass and this guy was wayyy the hell back he must have been going at least 80. Gets right on my ass and puts his highs on so i thought it was maybe a freind ya know. This guy gos onto the other side of the road, and cuts right in front of me and gos 35, Not to mention its a 06 Stang GT. So he hits his brakes a couple of times and then honks for like 5 sec...Moves to the other side of the road..So im like he wants to go...i thought i had no chance in hell. He honks 3 times and im like fuck it and i stomp on it. Going 125 on a straight 30 mph road was scarry shit. I kept up with him until he shifted to 4th he pulled on me a little, maybe a car length or 2 but for sec. later i was gaining on him but he shifted to fifth and was creeping up again so when i shifted to fifth, i still didnt catch him...But this guy was supprised that this 4 banger gave him that good of a run...shutting down around 140...But got to give him credit, it was a good race...i think maybe with a few mods i can get him :) maybe...haha

whats doe to your car? i know with a few mods those stangs will run into the 12's, cant remember what they trap stock though

when stock, I barely edged on him. it was a manual as well.

whats doe to your car? i know with a few mods those stangs will run into the 12's, cant remember what they trap stock though


All i have done is put a K@N cold air intake, torque braces and Exhaust..But more to come

Most stock 05+ GTs run mid to high 13's and trap quite a bit more than a RL or Cobalt for that matter. Something is fishy here....I'm not doubting you lost. I'm doubting you gained on him or hung for that long.

All i have done is put a K@N cold air intake, torque braces and Exhaust..But more to come


Yea i agree i thought i was going to get wecked, but it was also a kid my age that could have been it? but seemed liek he did everything smooth

I've seen timeslips for a stock (except for CAI) '05 - 13.45

I consider myself to be a very good driver of this vehicle. I have had it for 6 months and practiced my launches probably over 100 times. I raced a new GT and got my ass handed to me. Off the line we were even until about 30 then it was good bye cobalt ss/sc. There is no way that a stock ss/sc can keep up with the new GT. As for 89 - 96 then you should be able to take any stock mustang even with a stick.

BTW
I told all of you I would have pictures of my car at night with the neon on but apparently I am a terrible photographer and none of them come out right. I tried video and it is really grainy. Sooooo sorry all I don't think it is going to happen.

2005 cobalt ss/sc
arrival blu metallic
k & n cai ( in package )
torque brace in the mail
blue underbody neon kit

The new Mustang GT's are quite fast, and have plenty of top end, that + roll racing being easy as shit = he should have pulled on you pretty hard the whole time. I agree with Orange_Juice..really doesn't add up.

Maybe he did. Here's some dynos some guys got on there 06 Gt on one site. Sorry no graph.
My '06 manual with 2000 miles on it dyno'd yesterday at 266 h / 294 tq. On a Dynojet dyno.
Mine did 251 on mustange dyno .........

Maybe he did. Here's some dynos some guys got on there 06 Gt on one site. Sorry no graph.
My '06 manual with 2000 miles on it dyno'd yesterday at 266 h / 294 tq. On a Dynojet dyno.
Mine did 251 on mustange dyno .........
What does this have to do with the price of tea in china? This doesn't change the fact that the new stangs run better 1/4mile times then stock Cobalts, and have better top end.

Dyno's can't really be used to judge performance between two cars...they're for tuning...comparing dyno's between two different cars isn't terribly useful

What does this have to do with the price of tea in china? This doesn't change the fact that the new stangs run better 1/4mile times then stock Cobalts, and have better top end.

Dyno's can't really be used to judge performance between two cars...they're for tuning...comparing dyno's between two different cars isn't terribly useful

Excactly what I was going to post. Even as far as "the price of tea in China" since I use that coin quite a bit hehe.


since we don't have cool smileys here I'm going to borrow some....

http://www.srtforums.com/forums/images/smilies/bsflag.gif The GT wasn't racing. :D

Is Tmoney06 posting under Blk06CobaltSS screen name again?

Hey dude its tmoney on a dif name...i put down 9 and paying 2 somthin a month
http://www.cobaltss.com/forums/showpost.php?p=41867&postcount=97

Going 125 on a straight 30 mph road was scarry shit. I kept up with him until he shifted to 4th he pulled on me a little, maybe a car length or 2 but for sec. later i was gaining on him but he shifted to fifth and was creeping up again so when i shifted to fifth, i still didnt catch him..

I don't know why I didn't see this before.

I take it that "going 125" meant that's where it ended, since otherwise why wouldn't he say "going 140 was scary!" etc?? Now, here's the trouble... based on some back of napkin math, the redline in 4th in a GT is right 'round 140mph. Due to the variable timing, the GT has a real nice top end (it doesn't wheeze out like a 5.0) so it's screamin' right up to 6250. (HP and TQ peaks are 5750 and 4500 respectively) At 125mph the GT should be bang-on 5K rpm in 4th, so why the shift? Beyond that, sounds like this KEPT GOING with both cars in 5th which puts us above 150mph.

The Cobalt would have to weigh 400lbs less to get the same lbs/hp, which is just one of those "important" things, esp at those speeds! No way, sorry

Is Tmoney06 posting under Blk06CobaltSS screen name again?


http://www.cobaltss.com/forums/showpost.php?p=41867&postcount=97


Damn, you straight up busted his ass. Good catch!! :)

Damn, you straight up busted his ass. Good catch!! :)


Haha no boys. Dont get this mixed up. Yea i know that kid but he fucked up big time and he doesnt know what he is talking about. When he posted that on here i didnt even know anything about it. Didnt you guys get rid of him awhile ago anyway?

Blk06, got anything to say about my comments?

Blk06, got anything to say about my comments?

Yea actually, going 136 IN 4TH...and he shifted. he didnt have to wait for the redline...5th is known as the cruising gear i think. but shutting down at just about 140 in fifth cause we were coming to the end.

I'll give you the benifit of the doubt and say it was a bad driver...judging by the first section where he was trying to get your attention, it sure sounds like a bad driver...the ss/sc SHOULD have lost, but it may have been that the mustang gt's DRIVER screwed up the results. 5speed gives a high % chance for driver error...I know lots of people who can't drive them for crap.

I'll give you the benifit of the doubt and say it was a bad driver...judging by the first section where he was trying to get your attention, it sure sounds like a bad driver...the ss/sc SHOULD have lost, but it may have been that the mustang gt's DRIVER screwed up the results. 5speed gives a high % chance for driver error...I know lots of people who can't drive them for crap.

Yea i didnt win though, thats the thing. He had 3-4 car lengths on me...and started to gain more after that. So 4-5 car lenghts behind him and he started creepin after that too...so yea he beat me fair and square but i was still kind of happy i was that close, when not expecting to even be near him.

Ok, I'm not gonna call B.S on anybody, but I'm not going to say it's impossible either. None of us were there, so none of us can say for sure. Yes, 05-06 GT's are known to run mid 13's with a manual, a pro driver, at a good track with good prep and and excellent weather conditions. However, I've seen stock GT's run at the track and the best I have ever seen was a 13.8, and he actually had a couple of bolt ons. Anything can happen on the street, and since the CSS's are slower than GT's (not by that much), this kid admitted he lost, and he desribed how that 'Stang instigated the race, (thats how stang owners are) I believe him. They usually have to pick on someone smaller since stock, 10 year old V8 fbody's and Vettes are still faster than new GT's. The '99-'04 GT's would be a real good race for a CSS actually since they only ran mid 14's stock. My '00 auto GT vert with a flowmaster catback and a K&N drop in filter only ran a 14.54@95mph. The blown Cobalts actually have a lot more torque than 4.6's do down low.

Good, well, it wasn't a kill. Good story I guess.

True or not, if a guy on an 06 Stang can't destroy a Cobalt from a freaking ROLL he needs to learn to drive or give his car to someone who can drive it...roll racing does not require any sort of skill...you just stomp on the gas and the car does the rest

True or not, if a guy on an 06 Stang can't destroy a Cobalt from a freaking ROLL he needs to learn to drive or give his car to someone who can drive it...roll racing does not require any sort of skill...you just stomp on the gas and the car does the rest

Depends on how slow or fast they were going to start with. And depending if it's stick or automatic. If it's a manual, you still have to shift, which takes at least SOME skill. Trust me it matters, I've done my share of "street racing" :rolleyes: and it depends on what part of the power band you start at. some cars are bad ass down low and fall on thier face up top, or some (like 4.6's) are nutless off the line (hence, the roll race) and don't wake up until later. If you guys would've went from a dig and stopped at a 1/4 mile, it would've been real close, on the street.

or some (like 4.6's) are nutless off the line (hence, the roll race) and don't wake up until later. If you guys would've went from a dig and stopped at a 1/4 mile, it would've been real close, on the street.

The 05/06 motor doesn't have that problem... it's not got pushrod grunt, but it's a LOT better. Variable valve timing helps out a lot.

Funny "that's just how mustang drivers are"... around here it's the F-body guys who are the jackasses. ;) *esp* the V6 ones for some reason, used to eat them for lunch in my contour (and tbird SC before that). 10 year old f-bodys and vettes aren't faster than new GTs... not anymore (mods notwithstanding of course).

I guess another point... having driven powerful fwd and rwd cars, I find that on the street the rear is easier to deal with, the weight transfer is SO much more on your side - which means that street, it wouldn't have been "real close", it probably would have been a greater difference. The 05/06 GT *finally* has a nice tranny setup, it's not the old crappy one so they're *real* easy to shift now... haven't missed once

Thus ends my $0.02

The 05/06 GT *finally* has a nice tranny setup, it's not the old crappy one so they're *real* easy to shift now... haven't missed once


Yea the T45's in the 96-98 Cobra's were the worst made. Brother swapped his out for a TKO600 on his 98

hey judgez24 do you have a flamethrower exhaust kit? Or is that Nitrous or somethin?

I also agree with orange juice my buddy has a 05 mustang gt, with a knn intake filter and when me and him went down to the track he ran a 13.6 ,a nd I ran a 12.69 in my 01 camaro with light mods don like a Z06 MAF, LS6 intake manifold,SLP Intake,SLP Exhaust, Lager fuel injectors, 255 fuel pump,Hooker Headers, and new Z rated 255 rear tires. Plus his Mustang puls faster from a roll than from the line.

I also agree with orange juice my buddy has a 05 mustang gt, with a knn intake filter and when me and him went down to the track he ran a 13.6 ,a nd I ran a 12.69 in my 01 camaro with light mods don like a Z06 MAF, LS6 intake manifold,SLP Intake,SLP Exhaust, Lager fuel injectors, 255 fuel pump,Hooker Headers, and new Z rated 255 rear tires. Plus his Mustang puls faster from a roll than from the line.

Why would you put a LS6 intake on your car when it already had one from the factory? :confused: All '01-'02 LS1 fbody's came with them. All '01-'04 Vettes and '04 GTO's had them too. I don't know why you would upgrade the MAF sensor and fuel injectors either, unless you're running nitrous. The stock maf sensor, injectors and fuel pump are good for around 400hp. Hell, there's blown and turbo'd cars still running the stock maf. The tires wouldn't do shit either unless they're dr's. The "Z" rating only means they're good for 150mph until theres a threat of a blowout. They don't aid in traction at all. My factory Z rated 275 tires couldn't hook for shit when my car was stock.

Funny "that's just how mustang drivers are"... around here it's the F-body guys who are the jackasses. ;) *esp* the V6 ones for some reason, used to eat them for lunch in my contour (and tbird SC before that). 10 year old f-bodys and vettes aren't faster than new GTs... not anymore (mods notwithstanding of course).
I guess another point... having driven powerful fwd and rwd cars, I find that on the street the rear is easier to deal with, the weight transfer is SO much more on your side - which means that street, it wouldn't have been "real close", it probably would have been a greater difference.

Well, I stand corrected. The '05-'06's are finally AS FAST as a 10 year old fbody/vette. They ran mid 13's too. I find it hard to believe you would "eat V6 f-body's for lunch" in a Contour. At least not the 97-02's. The only way I see that happening, is if you a had a mildly modified SVT Contour and they were in a bone stock V6 and/or couldn't drive. Or had an older 3.1 or 3.4 version. Those were slow. The 3800's had 200hp and ran mid 15's stock. They ran with 96-98 GT Mustangs.
I've owned/driven powerful fwd and rwd cars too. And depending on how grippy the street is, the weather, the drivers,the cars, ANYTHING can happen. I've owned 13 cars in 8 years of driving, and only 2 of those were fwd. I know all about weight transfer, handiling, etc. I also know if you have a powerful enough rwd car, with stock tires, the only way you can launch is from a very slow roll. Granted, as torquey as a CSS/SC is, it still has the motor sitting on top of the drive wheels, aiding in traction. You can't mash the gas (i've learned that from my GTP) but you have an easier time hooking up than say, someone with an LS1 T/A does. I drove CSS's. About 30 of them. I work at the GM Lordstown plant where they're built. Hell, i might have even drove some of your cars (Cobalt owners). And I know how well the hook up, trust me. :D You guys have an advantage...

I was just pointing out that it has a LS6 intake manifold not everyone no's this about the later year F-bodies. I have not drove a SS/SC Cobalt yet but was wondering how bad is the wheel hop compared to a SRT4 with a LSD?and no I have no Nitrous but do have drag radials for the Camaro. Z rated tires do aid a little bit of traction but they still don't hook up as well as dr's but still if you get a good tire they do make a little bit of a difference.

Stock to stock, srt4's and ss/sc's are about the same in terms of wheel hop.

I was just pointing out that it has a LS6 intake manifold not everyone no's this about the later year F-bodies.
If you have to point out that 01-02 LS1 F-Bodys came with LS6 intake, they probably don't know what LS6 intake manifold is or the difference between LS1 intake and LS6 intake, so why bother?

Z rated tires do aid a little bit of traction but they still don't hook up as well as dr's but still if you get a good tire they do make a little bit of a difference.
Actually, good set of DRs or slicks will make a BIG difference, up to .5 seconds if you know how to launch.

..............

Stock to stock, srt4's and ss/sc's are about the same in terms of wheel hop.
The wheel hop is A LOT worse in an SRT-4. A lot more torque down low plus very "mushy" factory motor mounts equals hopping for days if you floor it in 1st. My roommate's CSS, now that it is modded a little, has some hop but not nearly as much as I had when I was stock with stock mounts.

just to add, not sure if its been added already or not since i havent been through all 3 pages, but an 06 gt convertable will trap bout 103 mph, vret weighs about 150 pounds more than the hardtop so theyll run close to even mph as 150 pounds equals to about 15 hp. so if you hung this thing like you say you did then congrats and this guy definatly couldnt handle his own car, a css traps what, 95 - 98 mph?

Yea i mean...this was at like 11:30 p.m. and i jus got a ticket for doing 62 in a 30 a few weeks brfore. So ya i was mad scetched out. But i just was like why not...But yea he still beat me by like 5 car lengths so i know i was gonna get my ass kicked but what do you expect a Cobalt vs Stang GT they are like $12,000 diffrence, there just not in our class. But yea it was fun...

money means nothing man, you cant compare the price of cars. look at the new z06, itll hose many cars that are worth more than double what it costs. :)

money means nothing man, you cant compare the price of cars. look at the new z06, itll hose many cars that are worth more than double what it costs. :)
I'm curious as to which sports cars that are worth more than double that of the Z06 that it will hose? I know it's a performance bargain, but most of what I read suggests it can *almost* keep up with most of the cars in question (ferarri's porsche's etc) aside from that...no one in their right mind would take a Z06 over a Ferarri, and *that* is why these cars cost so much...because they can.

when you buy a ferrari you buy alot of the name. the new z06 makes 500 hp and dynos almost those numbers. its a track bred car, go and do a little research on the z06 and compare it to whats out there. the car was built and tuned around the nurburgring. 6 piston calipers must not mean anything these days, lol :)

when you buy a ferrari you buy alot of the name. the new z06 makes 500 hp and dynos almost those numbers. its a track bred car, go and do a little research on the z06 and compare it to whats out there. the car was built and tuned around the nurburgring. 6 piston calipers must not mean anything these days, lol :)
I have done research and comapred it, and I stated that the reason Ferarri's cost as much as they do is because they can...due to the name and prestige associated with them. I know the Z06 is a performance bargain, I know it can handle a track very well, but I have yet to actually read a review that states it BESTS other cars like the new Ferarri (forget the number but it's the replacement for the Modena)

I agree. Your paying for the name in a ferrari. The Farrari enzo 1/4 mile time is 11.3. The 2006 Z06 1/4 mile time is 11.5. Really do you want to pay $900,000 for that. I dont think so.

I agree. Your paying for the name in a ferrari. The Farrari enzo 1/4 mile time is 11.3. The 2006 Z06 1/4 mile time is 11.5. Really do you want to pay $900,000 for that. I dont think so.


Yea...Im not going to lie...you pretty much put that perfect :)

thats just it, you put a cam into the z06 and now you have over 500 whp, got a vid of it on my buddys computer. the only other cars that make 500 whp really are the ones worth a half mil or more. the funny thing is that the z06 is a track built road car. really there is no need for what the car comes with for power, suspension or brakes, but it does because its been built to do one thing, and thats to beat on the competition :D

Damn talk about a thread highjack.

There's no way in hell I would pay more for a Ferrari than a '06 Z06. That car has to be the performance bargain of the century. What makes the Ferrari so special? Some stupid horse emlem on the fenders? Big deal. Other than it's hand built, with marginal better build quality, it's not worth hundreds of thousands more. Even if I had Bill Gates money, I wouldn't pay that for a car, any car.

^^^ you wouldnt buy anything that dosnt have Made In America stamped on it

People mainly buy Ferrari's for the name and the prestige and because they're collectors. For instance ill use myself as an example. Im a Porsche fanatic, given i have the wealth i would much rather drive a Porsche 911 Turbo (997 model) then a Z06 any day even if it can beat me around the track or down the 1/4 mile, because its my personal preferrence you may save 50 grand more than me but i guess it would be just bragging rights your faster than me but im richer than you and just as fast and im more exclusive in my car because i know that 1 out of 50 people dont have a car like mine. Granted i would love to have a new Z06 but i would much rather have a 911.

Enzo ferrari's are poop if you want a real Ferrari buy an F40.
My $.02

^^^^Agreed.

I really didn't read the whole fourm because there was too much lol

But please look at attached signature, from quite personal experiance, the SS while still a fast car, do not stand a chance against a new GT.

Now my friend owns a 02GT, and believe it or not, some yocal out there has designed a body kit to make the old GTs look like the new ones so possibly your ran into someone with that kit on.

People mainly buy Ferrari's for the name and the prestige and because they're collectors. For instance ill use myself as an example. Im a Porsche fanatic, given i have the wealth i would much rather drive a Porsche 911 Turbo (997 model) then a Z06 any day even if it can beat me around the track or down the 1/4 mile, because its my personal preferrence you may save 50 grand more than me but i guess it would be just bragging rights your faster than me but im richer than you and just as fast and im more exclusive in my car because i know that 1 out of 50 people dont have a car like mine. Granted i would love to have a new Z06 but i would much rather have a 911.

Enzo ferrari's are poop if you want a real Ferrari buy an F40.
My $.02

although in not to big on porsches, u explained it perfectly :D

as much as id like a ferrari for the sound and everything, id take a z06, high revving v8, loads of low end torque and the thing is a bullit and grips like glue to a race track. but like the guy above im a huge porsche fan aswell and id love one of those, but if i had to choose id take the vette, more practical, storage is there, interior room, and the powr is just awsome.

as much as id like a ferrari for the sound and everything, id take a z06, high revving v8, loads of low end torque and the thing is a bullit and grips like glue to a race track. but like the guy above im a huge porsche fan aswell and id love one of those, but if i had to choose id take the vette, more practical, storage is there, interior room, and the powr is just awsome.


Yea...agreed. I would take a Z06 anyday over a ferrari, any kind of ferrari. Yea there nice, but way too much money. This dude above put it perfectly haha and i also am a fan of porsches too. But enough with this Z06 talk...Us SS boys ummmmm have a couple more years before we get a Z06 unless your loaded :)

as much as id like a ferrari for the sound and everything, id take a z06, high revving v8, loads of low end torque and the thing is a bullit and grips like glue to a race track. but like the guy above im a huge porsche fan aswell and id love one of those, but if i had to choose id take the vette, more practical, storage is there, interior room, and the powr is just awsome.
For the sound and everything? An Enzo does the 1/4mile in 11seconds flat, has 660HP and 472ft-lbs of trq, and pulls over 1.1g on the skidpad, high reving V8, meet high reving V12.

This car has been compared with the Mclaren F1 as well as the Saleen S7 and BEAT them. The Enzo is to Ferarri with the Carerra GT is to Porsche, anyone who says they'd take a Vette over either of these cars is either a chevy fanboy, or really needs to see one of these cars in person so they can truly appreciate them, I love Vettes, if I could afford one I'd have one, no question, but saying you'd take one over an Enzo is foolishness. Don't even talk about practical storage, or interior room, if you can afford either of the cars in question, you can afford something else to tote your crap around in.

For the sound and everything? An Enzo does the 1/4mile in 11seconds flat, has 660HP and 472ft-lbs of trq, and pulls over 1.1g on the skidpad, high reving V8, meet high reving V12.

This car has been compared with the Mclaren F1 as well as the Saleen S7 and BEAT them. The Enzo is to Ferarri with the Carerra GT is to Porsche, anyone who says they'd take a Vette over either of these cars is either a chevy fanboy, or really needs to see one of these cars in person so they can truly appreciate them, I love Vettes, if I could afford one I'd have one, no question, but saying you'd take one over an Enzo is foolishness. Don't even talk about practical storage, or interior room, if you can afford either of the cars in question, you can afford something else to tote your crap around in.


ok so lets make the comparison a little more fair then, since the enzo is a cool mil and the c6 z06 is under a hundred grand, a tenth of what hte enzo is worth. drop the z06 off at lingenfelter and come home with a 9 second street car pumping out 800 hp that will destroy the enzo. all for less than a 1/4 of the cost of the enzo with purchase price.

ok so lets make the comparison a little more fair then, since the enzo is a cool mil and the c6 z06 is under a hundred grand, a tenth of what hte enzo is worth. drop the z06 off at lingenfelter and come home with a 9 second street car pumping out 800 hp that will destroy the enzo. all for less than a 1/4 of the cost of the enzo with purchase price.
No matter what you do to it...it's still not a ferarri. Like I said I love the Vette, it's a realistic-dream car whereas Ferarri's are something most of us can really only dream of ever owning.

Yea...agreed. I would take a Z06 anyday over a ferrari, any kind of ferrari. Yea there nice, but way too much money. This dude above put it perfectly haha and i also am a fan of porsches too. But enough with this Z06 talk...Us SS boys ummmmm have a couple more years before we get a Z06 unless your loaded :)


it all depends what you're looking for. many people have the cash and aren't worried about the price or a daily driver. if you're looking for an exotic car, a ferarri would fit the picture. there are many people that will never drive their own ferrari or never have been in one (i drove a couple but will probably never own) and that is one of the reasons people buy them.

oh another thing about the enzo, you have ot be on ferrari's list of people to actually buy one of these things, my boss wants to go buy one but hes nevre had a ferrari for that matter and we're trying to convince him that ferrari will tel him no if he goes to them with money and asks for one. also the enzo is supposed to be a race car, really look at it, no creature comforts, no radio, nothing really in there. whereas the vette you have enough storage room to go cross country, heat, ac, everything.

i like the ferraris and all and if i had the money id buy one after the new c6 just to say i have a ferrari, but reaisticaly id never be able to afford a ferrari yet alone the insurance for one, lol

This car has been compared with the Mclaren F1 as well as the Saleen S7 and BEAT them.
I don't think you are up-to-date with Saleen S7. As of 2005, it is Twin Turbo charged, with 750 hp and 700 lb-tq, a 10.7 sec @ 136 mph car, and no, Enzo won't beat 2005 TT S7.

^^^ you wouldnt buy anything that dosnt have Made In America stamped on it

Thats not entirily true. I only buy GM, but it doesn't have to be built in the U.S. My T/A was built in Canada and the GTO I want to buy was built in Austraila. I work in Lordstown, what do you expect?...

I don't think you are up-to-date with Saleen S7. As of 2005, it is Twin Turbo charged, with 750 hp and 700 lb-tq, a 10.7 sec @ 136 mph car, and no, Enzo won't beat 2005 TT S7.

SALEEN S7 TT
General Information
Price: $555,000
Miles Per Gallon: --/-- mpg
Curb Weight: 2950 lbs
Layout: Mid-Engine/RWD
Transmission: 6-Speed Manual
Engine
Type: Twin-Turbo V8
Displacement: 7000 cc
Horsepower: 750 bhp @ 6300 rpm
Torque: 700 lb-ft @ 4800 rpm
Redline: 6500 rpm
Performance
0-60 mph: 2.8 sec
0-100 mph: 6.0 sec
Quarter Mile: 10.7 sec @ 136 mph
Skidpad: 1.10g
Top Speed: --- mph
Braking, 60-0 mph: --- ft
Slalom Speed: 73.0 mph

2003 Enzo
General Information
Price: $643,330
Miles Per Gallon: 8/12 mpg
Curb Weight: 3230 lbs
Layout: Mid-Engine/RWD
Transmission: 6-Speed Semi-Automatic
Engine
Type: V12
Displacement: 5998 cc
Horsepower: 650 bhp @ 7800 rpm
Torque: 485 lb-ft @ 5500 rpm
Redline: 8200 rpm
Performance
0-60 mph: 3.3 sec
0-100 mph: 6.6 sec
Quarter Mile: 11.1 sec @ 133 mph
Skidpad: 1.05g
Top Speed: 217 mph
Braking, 60-0 mph: 109 ft
Slalom Speed: 73.0 mph

1997 McLaren F1 GT
General Information
Price: $---,---
Miles Per Gallon: --/-- mpg
Curb Weight: 2690 lbs
Layout: Mid-Engine/RWD
Transmission: 6-Speed Manual
Engine
Type: V12
Displacement: 6064 cc
Horsepower: 627 bhp @ 7500 rpm
Torque: 480 lb-ft @ 5600 rpm
Redline: 7500 rpm
Performance
0-60 mph: 3.3 sec
0-100 mph: 7.7 sec
Quarter Mile: 11.6 sec @ 125 mph
Skidpad: .86g
Top Speed: 225 mph
Braking, 60-0 mph: 127 ft
Slalom Speed: 64.5 mph

oh another thing about the enzo, you have ot be on ferrari's list of people to actually buy one of these things, my boss wants to go buy one but hes nevre had a ferrari for that matter and we're trying to convince him that ferrari will tel him no if he goes to them with money and asks for one. also the enzo is supposed to be a race car, really look at it, no creature comforts, no radio, nothing really in there. whereas the vette you have enough storage room to go cross country, heat, ac, everything.

i like the ferraris and all and if i had the money id buy one after the new c6 just to say i have a ferrari, but reaisticaly id never be able to afford a ferrari yet alone the insurance for one, lol
This I agree with, you can't just walk up and buy one and they're not the best daily driver that's for sure, but this can be said for most exotics. I've never been in or seen an Enzo in person, but I've seen several Modena's up close and saw one winding out when I was in Las Vegas, the engines in those cars sound amazing, the girl driving the Ferarri looked to be about 25 years old..lucky @#$@#..ahem. Chances are if you can afford a Ferarri you can pick something else up for a daily driver :D

If you just want a car for straight performance, your best bet would be buying a new viper then getting it turned into a Henessey Venom TT, slightly more expensive than the Vette, but slightly faster as well.

The new corvette Z06 is by far the better buy. Even though the Viper is my favorite car the facts are that it cost almost $20,000 more than the corvette is slower in the 1/4 and the 0-60 time. Personally nothing matches the look of a viper but if you want a faster car for $ 20,000 less go with the new z06 then take $10,000 and slap a turbo kit on that baby and run 9's !

The new corvette Z06 is by far the better buy. Even though the Viper is my favorite car the facts are that it cost almost $20,000 more than the corvette is slower in the 1/4 and the 0-60 time. Personally nothing matches the look of a viper but if you want a faster car for $ 20,000 less go with the new z06 then take $10,000 and slap a turbo kit on that baby and run 9's !


Yes, i love vettes. They are my fav. car. But i also love chevys, thats why i got chevys best sports car at tha time. Well besides the vette. lol But before i die i am owning a vette...My dad is looking into one for next spring. And my oppinion is if your looking for a fast car for cheeper then its a no brainer, go with the vette, it may be a little slower than a SALEEN S7 TT ect ect...But also saving alot of monet esp. if you just throw a turbo or something into the vette which will alot of money but also saving alot if you do that haha if that makes sense?...you know what i am trying to say...just my oppinion.

This I agree with, you can't just walk up and buy one and they're not the best daily driver that's for sure, but this can be said for most exotics. I've never been in or seen an Enzo in person, but I've seen several Modena's up close and saw one winding out when I was in Las Vegas, the engines in those cars sound amazing, the girl driving the Ferarri looked to be about 25 years old..lucky @#$@#..ahem. Chances are if you can afford a Ferarri you can pick something else up for a daily driver :D

If you just want a car for straight performance, your best bet would be buying a new viper then getting it turned into a Henessey Venom TT, slightly more expensive than the Vette, but slightly faster as well.


not always true, theres a local guy who has a gts viper but lives in a townhouse. go figure, lol

another thing, anyone else notice the viper sounds like a honda?

another thing, anyone else notice the viper sounds like a honda?
I wish my Honda sounded like a viper

not always true, theres a local guy who has a gts viper but lives in a townhouse. go figure, lol
I love cars as much as the next guy...but that's pretty ghetto....

Thats not entirily true. I only buy GM, but it doesn't have to be built in the U.S. My T/A was built in Canada and the GTO I want to buy was built in Austraila. I work in Lordstown, what do you expect?...


i used to be like that. buy gm only. problem is that many imports (honda) are actually "more american" made than many domestics.

I think your story is a hole lot of bull. If the mustang was a v8.I love cobalts but stock they wont outrun a v8 mustang. Now if the mustang was a V6 MAYBE. :rolleyes:

Stock to stock, srt4's and ss/sc's are about the same in terms of wheel hop.
They are not even close.SRTs have far worse wheel hop.Its called shitty stock mounts and a shitload of torque.I had the opportunity to test drive one at a local dealership and the salesman let me rape it a lil.(very nice car BTW)Wheel hop on my SRT when stock was so bad that I cracked my oilpan 1st time at the track.

If the wheel hop is that much worse in the srt-4 I would hate to drive that car. The wheel hop in my ss/sc was so bad that the engine movement litterally took my wheels off the ground. It also was so bad that once it started the only thing I could do to stop it was come to a complete stop. Now it is not as bad I would say it is about 85% reduced. I will be switching to poly mounts though as soon as I can get my hands on them.

All i am going to say about this is that it might have been a auto. I raced an 05 mustang GT Auto. at the track(1/8 mile) and i bet him! I ran a 9.3 and i think the GT ran a 9.7. LOL And it couldn't have been drivers error because it was an auto. I think it even had a better reaction time than me too. I also raced a 99-01 Cobra(before they S/C them). It had a couple of mods, and so do I, and it only beat me my 1/2 car! We raced from 60-120. Then we raced from 45 to 100 and he had about 2 cars that time.

All i am going to say about this is that it might have been a auto. I raced an 05 mustang GT Auto. at the track(1/8 mile) and i bet him! I ran a 9.3 and i think the GT ran a 9.7. LOL And it couldn't have been drivers error because it was an auto. I think it even had a better reaction time than me too.

Sure it coulda been... it'd be a really stupid driver error "turn off TCS and stomp on it, don't let up" but that's the only way I see it happening. Maybe he was an idiot and went through the water box (bad idea if you're not on slicks). The stock tires are only 235's... the light up shifting into 3rd @ 75mph (manual) without much trouble. If there was ever a car that needed bigger tires, I think that's it

I beat a 2003 Mustang GT and I had a friend in the car. It was a pretty good race. I had a good car on him but about mid 4th gear he started pulling on me again. Top end they might get you but not quarter mile.

All i am going to say about this is that it might have been a auto. I raced an 05 mustang GT Auto. at the track(1/8 mile) and i bet him! I ran a 9.3 and i think the GT ran a 9.7. LOL And it couldn't have been drivers error because it was an auto. I think it even had a better reaction time than me too. I also raced a 99-01 Cobra(before they S/C them). It had a couple of mods, and so do I, and it only beat me my 1/2 car! We raced from 60-120. Then we raced from 45 to 100 and he had about 2 cars that time.


My auto ran 9.0 bone stock in the 1/8 with a 2.2 60ft. What was the 60ft. on that 9.7. I don't doubt you, I have heard of times like that.

Sure it coulda been... it'd be a really stupid driver error "turn off TCS and stomp on it, don't let up" but that's the only way I see it happening. Maybe he was an idiot and went through the water box (bad idea if you're not on slicks). The stock tires are only 235's... the light up shifting into 3rd @ 75mph (manual) without much trouble. If there was ever a car that needed bigger tires, I think that's it


Hold up, a stock mustang will "light up" 235's at 75 mph? I don't see that happening with 260ish rwhp.

Sure it coulda been... it'd be a really stupid driver error "turn off TCS and stomp on it, don't let up" but that's the only way I see it happening. Maybe he was an idiot and went through the water box (bad idea if you're not on slicks). The stock tires are only 235's... the light up shifting into 3rd @ 75mph (manual) without much trouble. If there was ever a car that needed bigger tires, I think that's it
Shifting *into* third at 75mph? I do believe top speed is around 66mph in second on a mustang

No stock 05 GT I've ever seen on stock tires has ever lit up the tires in thrid. Maybe 'chirped' a tire at the track in third but not light them up in smoke.

while we're talking stangs here, I finally got to run one at the track http://www.cobaltss.com/forums/showthread.php?p=45607#post45607

Shifting *into* third at 75mph? I do believe top speed is around 66mph in second on a mustang

My speedo reads 120, which translates to 74.5... 75 was a guess, pretty close though.

The tires will spin on the shift... certainly not at the track though, maybe a chirp depending on air/track temps


Edit: well, after some math it turns out that top end of 2nd should be 114.5 km/h... which would be 71mph. Seems that we split the difference sir. I know I've seen it right on 120 though, I guess 5-ish% error isn't too bad

The tires will spin on the shift... certainly not at the track though, maybe a chirp depending on air/track temps


Usually traction is worse for me on the track than it is on the street depending conditions. Now if I was at the track on my DRs or slicks then thats a whole different ball game. Street tires don't fair to well on a drag strip from most people I know.

Usually traction is worse for me on the track than it is on the street depending conditions. Now if I was at the track on my DRs or slicks then thats a whole different ball game. Street tires don't fair to well on a drag strip from most people I know.

I've always had the opposite... granted my GT has never been for a pass (buddy's father in law runs 7's but was off this season working on the new motor). Grand Bend (Ontario) has always been really well prepped when I'm there, but they run Top Fuel & Funny Cars there... so maybe it's better than the average track?

Just have to start out by saying that I like the SS's, haven't driven one yet though.
Now I have to call BS on this post. Amherst St. is 40mph for most of it, and it swarming with police because it used to be a favorite drag spot. Its a divided two lane road with a light every 1/4 to 1/2 mile. No way did a Cobalt take a GT on this road, or the guy wasn't racing, or was a Nashua Cop, there is one with a GT.