How long do you think it will for a cobalt to break in the 12's? By the end of the year?

im thinking mid summer easy.. but im fine with the 148 mph top out.. ill never take mine that fast unless i feel like makin some extra money on the side and u wont ever hit 148 in a 1/4 anyway maybe 111 or around there but not 148:)

I dunno. It all depends on the driver.

.........never

RL's been out for HOW LONG ALREADY????

you think they'll have GOOD ENOUGH mods out by the end of this YEAR?

i think not

jm2c

Within a year and a half from now... just a guesstimate bein that the RL now has products in development that will work for the SS

.........never

RL's been out for HOW LONG ALREADY????

you think they'll have GOOD ENOUGH mods out by the end of this YEAR?

i think not

jm2c

yes but remember the RL has no aftermarket support, and now the SS is starting to get companies to develop for it.
The SS will see 12s in no time


hell if you really wanted just slap in a 150 shot of nitrous and youre all set :D

Yeah and blow the engine! I dont think the SS will handle that much of a shot of nitrous. It already has a high compresion ratio to deal with, I think that would just strain it too much.

But then again I've never dealt w/ nitrous. I do know that Chevy High Performance mag blew a head clean off an Ecotec Cavy w/ just a 75shot. They hit it at too low of an RPM. It runs fine now cause they have a msd ign setup that turns it on at like 3000 or so.

How long to get a car in the 12s? How about get a car PERIOD?! People are still waiting 3 months to get the damn things! :mad: You think somehow I can get my order form into the 12s?!

I think Cobalt's will be seeing 12's next year some time but it is to soon for the car and there is not alot out yet for the SS.

RL's been out for HOW LONG ALREADY????


The problem with the after market for the Redline is that GM only produced approx. 2400 for 2004 and scheduled another 5000 for 05. When we (the redline owners) talk to the big companies they say that there's just not enough demand with those small production numbers to make parts.

That's where the Cobalt comes in. We're just waiting for the developers to come out with their cobalt parts and then we'll pop them on the RL. Pretty shitty but it's what we're going to have to do IMO.

The problem with the after market for the Redline is that GM only produced approx. 2400 for 2004 and scheduled another 5000 for 05. When we (the redline owners) talk to the big companies they say that there's just not enough demand with those small production numbers to make parts.

That's where the Cobalt comes in. We're just waiting for the developers to come out with their cobalt parts and then we'll pop them on the RL. Pretty shitty but it's what we're going to have to do IMO.

Well that sucks but you guys (Redline owners) have had a chance to enjoy your cars were we have to wait an increably long time for our cars because Chevy is dicking around.

I think there will eventually be a decent aftermarket for the SS AND the RL! We'll all help each other out and we'll ALL blast twelve's! Oh and I've seen a Cobalt ALREADY that hits 12's!! It is a girl but I'm not sure if its an SS or not?!?! Might be usin parts from earlier Cavy's on her engine, not sure, I'll look for the sight again.

Here it is:
12 sec. Cobalt - Phase 5 program car (http://www.kindleracing.com/)
Oh yeah and its a 2.2L

It's a drag car though, not a professional one (she's not runnin 7's) mind you but it has a roll cage!

Here it is:
12 sec. Cobalt - Phase 5 program car (http://www.kindleracing.com/)
Oh yeah and its a 2.2L

It's a drag car though, not a professional one (she's not runnin 7's) mind you but it has a roll cage!

Holy crap. That is awsome. O well my guess was way off.

Yeah mine too! I was like WHAT!!! She says on her website that she was the SECOND Phase 5 Cobalt.

But you cant really count her as bein the first Cobalt into the 12's cause then you'd have to count the REAL PRO's runnin 7's!! And trust me I highly dout her car is streetable!!!

But you cant really count her as bein the first Cobalt into the 12's cause then you'd have to count the REAL PRO's runnin 7's!! And trust me I highly dout her car is streetable!!!

Yeah i dont think it is. But are we saying first street leagal car to get 12s?

About a year for a street legal everyday car. I heard GM will be releasing its performance parts about a year after the Cobalt SS hits the streets in good numbers.

Well if thats true, then that'll be cool I guess. How long did it take Mopar to release stuff for the SRT's?

Oh and about Vin Diesel doin sequels... what about Pitch Black and Chronicles of Riddick? Sorry had to... ;)

Never! Never!

Never! Never!

Never what?

He's sayin we'll never hit 12's.

Mike your stupid...

He's sayin we'll never hit 12's.

Mike your stupid...

I 2nd that and why wont troll just leave us alone.

Now that Modern Performance has an SS we should be hittin 12's a LOT faster than expected!

The Phase 5 Cobalt hit 12.96 at NOPI April 10 2005.

The Phase 5 is a modified Turbo Eco 2.2

Yeah that girl I was talkin about earlier had a Phase 5, and she ran a 12.9XX...

Now that Modern Performance has an SS we should be hittin 12's a LOT faster than expected!

Yeah i know i cant wait and see what all is developed for the SS.

How long do you think it will for a cobalt to break in the 12's? By the end of the year?
Maybe, but 3000lbs car :confused: I saw SRT-4 309 HP, 331lb-ft torque, with stock trany 12.6 second 1/4 mile Atco, NJ

Like watch video?

Yeah i know i cant wait and see what all is developed for the SS.
I just got my SS and extra exhaust manifold and downpipe(cat-pipe), you should know what I'm going to do. If this 2.0 ecotec can hold to 350HP, I think high 12 secound, it is not suppose a problem.

Maybe, but 3000lbs car :confused: I saw SRT-4 309 HP, 331lb-ft torque, with stock trany 12.6 second 1/4 mile Atco, NJ

Like watch video?
Yeah do you have the vid???

I just got my SS and extra exhaust manifold and downpipe(cat-pipe), you should know what I'm going to do. If this 2.0 ecotec can hold to 350HP, I think high 12 secound, it is not suppose a problem.


Awsome let us know what you run and how much power your putting down. Thanks.

Twin charge maybe??? :)

Yeah do you have the vid???
check this link:
http:www.imageperformance.biz/images/video/ray12.wmv
Stock trany, so launched @2500rpm

Well damn i hate Apple's right now my computer just hates WMV's they dont all work right.

Awsome let us know what you run and how much power your putting down. Thanks.

18lb booster.

Thats AWESOME!!! I love to see underdogs beat a "higher end " car!!! Is that your car did you say? That SRT-4 pulled hard on that EVO!!! Cant wait til we get enough aftermarket to do that!!! :D

18lb booster.


WOW very nice man keep us updated on you mods.

Well damn i hate Apple's right now my computer just hates WMV's they dont all work right.
Sorry, this is not my video, I can't do anything about it.
But window media player or real player, VLC can play it.

Sorry, this is not my video, I can't do anything about it.
But window media player or real player, VLC can play it.


Media player. I have it but some of the files are not formated to work with Apple's and PC's.

Thats AWESOME!!! I love to see underdogs beat a "higher end " car!!! Is that your car did you say? That SRT-4 pulled hard on that EVO!!! Cant wait til we get enough aftermarket to do that!!! :D

It is not my car, but I did sponsor it. Carbon fiber hood, trunklid, 36 way ajustable racing coilover system, catback system. This car was 508 HP, 492ft-lbs torque untill last week. Past weekend charge bigger turbo I don't have information yet. This still daily driving car.
Also I did sponsor professional racer two sets of racing coilover.
www.sponsorjeff.com, Jeff's' father is going to race Cobalt for GM too.

I don't think it will be too long. Ray@revitup (from the srtforums) just got one and he has over 500 whp in his srt so I am sure it wont be too long for him putting his new car in the 12's.

Plus the fact that aftermarket is springing up pretty quick as well!!! Modern Performance is in the game now like I said earlier so it wont be long!!!

Plus the fact that aftermarket is springing up pretty quick as well!!! Modern Performance is in the game now like I said earlier so it wont be long!!!

It will only take a short time now that the SS is showing up everywhere.

for your car to hit 12's... you'll need one tiny little pulley, fuel management, a big injector, full 3" exhaust, various other support mods and a good tire

Or twin charging!!! ;)
Oh and: Cop "TEASER" I like that... creative!

Yea, my car has the same problem..Since they were limited production to begin with, plus not making them anymore=little aftermarket support

Yea, my car has the same problem..Since they were limited production to begin with, plus not making them anymore=little aftermarket support

You can just have a turbo kit made for you car.

That Vortech kit you spoke of earlier sounded promising!

Hey dont they make a Jackson Racing kit too???

I'm still in my tuning phase, but I should be well in the 12s and all I have is intake/exhaust/nitrous on my SRT-4 (dynoed at 354 when I had a 75 shot).

Throw on a 100 wet shot and watch your times DROP. If you are running low 14s to high 13s stock like we are then you should be able to hit 12s with the giggle gas easily.

I'd like to experiment with nitrous on a Ecotec Cavalier. Before I would actually try it on an SS. Just as a learning experience.

I will say it will take a few months AFTER the products hit the floor. The companies (smaller private owned ones) will get these and tweak them to get into the 12's. Add some slicks and lose some weight in the car and you will see it soon enough.

That twin charged, smaller pulley, and weight reduction thing can probly get people to the 300hp and low 13's. It is going to take a bit more to get lower. 12's is not blazing fast, but alot harder than hitting 13's.

True, but I've heard people say that it would be better to LOWER the boost on the s/c and then put a higher boosting turbo.

But then again I have never had any experience with forced induction engines.

Whatever peoples hearts desire to get the turbo spinning is good by me. Thus the main focus of a twin charge.

There is a very interesting article in the new Sport Compact Car about Twin Charging. Next time your at a mag rack you should check it out!

There is a very interesting article in the new Sport Compact Car about Twin Charging. Next time your at a mag rack you should check it out!

Yeah i just grab that today before school i read a little about it.

It says if done right it can be so powerful that it is seriously deadly. It said the rally cars of the past were so fast that they killed people! (By having recks of course because of not bein able to handle it)

Aim high. 11's !!!!

Oh dont worry!!! Just like the SRT-4's they WILL be there!!!

Maybe with a pulley, some headers, exhaust, intake, DR, or slicks and the cobalt should be fairly close, at least mid to low 13's.

Well someone over at the RL forums a while back (Ive mentioned this before) already ran a 13.9XX with just a drop in filter, cut up airbox and a "universal" (off brand) muffler.

The fastest time listed in their offical timeslip database is 14.2 for a redline.
So far all the other posts I ahve read have been anywhere from 14.5 and up.

Why don't you guys stop talking about it and do it? 12's aren't that big of a deal. The only problem is that you have a 3,000 pound pig to launch with FWD.

Swap in a turbo, build the motor, drop in GM's new 1200 horsepower Hydr-Matic and go to the track.

Its all ready been done with a number of Ecotec powered drag cars, I'm just waiting for the Solstice to come out so I can have an Ecotec installed the right way with RWD.

Hand out the cashflow for a turbo or whatever else it is that they should do.
12's are a big deal for new up and coming guys that have a current 15-18 second car.

18!!! Holy crap man! U talkin about LS Cobalts??

lol, I have no idea what everyone else is driving before they get the CobaltSS. So I just made a wide range there. Old 80's-something 4 cyl Mustang Automatics were in that 18 group or higher.

I know CSS's run in the 14's, but saying 12's are a big deal for those that have never come close to that time before...like those that currently drive a 15-18 sec car.

Oh ok, understood, sorry I missed that the 1st time! I was like WHAAT?!?!?! lol

yeah yeah yeah...it's just like a cobizzle to misunderstand everything....gosh!!! you have no skills

Well, excuse me!!! Im a FLIPPIN IDIOT!!!! LOL

^^^^IDIOT^^^^ LOL J/K you left it wide open. :p :D
I know what you are saying i will be comeing from a 87 V-6 Camaro.

lol @ 12's

My shadow just wanted to see an 18, once in its life, lol. It's a 19.5 second car on the street, but i stripped the interior and ran an open throttlebody and very little gas, to a blistering 18.7!

LOL that is so funny. :)

Ouch! Open throttle body!??!? Would that not be bad for it??

Dude, its a shadow. Besides he saw almost a full second gain. I applaud thee.

I've heard that an 05 Cobalt SS ran something like 8's at 202 mph at the drag strip, anyone heard of this yet?

Was no stock bodied Cobalt or engine.
a 2000 lb car @ 202 is like 1,200HP.

Why twin charge? If you have a motor thats built to handle power, then you shouldnt need a turbo just to get to the 12's. Maybe the 11's, but definetely not 12's. Look at the GTP's people!! Yeah we have V6's, but we're also 300-600 pounds heavier, if not more! Plus we're stuck with garbage 4 speed autos, so we're limited to launch RPM's and our shift points. You guys shouldnt have it too hard to get in the 12's without a twin charge setup. Seeing as how the M90 has already been proven to work in our cars pretty well, its basically a no brainer to get it to perform in your cars the same way. If I had any interest in getting a Cobalt and getting it to the 12's, I can think of a few things I would do......
-CAI
-Smaller pulley
-Full exhaust from the header back
-Thermostat and colder plugs
-Tuning device(not a preprogrammed mail order PCM!!), which for you guys should be available soon I would think?
-Stronger clutch and SLICKS!!!
-Maybe some weight reduction
If after that I was still stuck in the 13's, I would look into upgrading the IC system and then a ported supercharger. 12's should be a lock at that point, with trap speed around 105 or so atleast. If not, then these cars suck and you should all just sell them for an LS1 f-body ;-)

Welcome to the site and thanks for you imput. GTP's are nice cars. :)

Spooner say Psi-Fi has a S/C mod comin out for LSJ's that will push 18 psi! I havent heard wether it is ported, and/or a pulley, etc, etc. Dont settle for just a pulley from one of those other companies!!!

I'm really interested in these emissions legal, warranty not-voiding GM stage kits.

in a month and a half, this might be for 11s

Do I smell a few plans brewing??? Whatcha got man, you dont have to hold out on us!?!?! Do ya?!!?

Spooner say Psi-Fi has a S/C mod comin out for LSJ's that will push 18 psi! I havent heard wether it is ported, and/or a pulley, etc, etc. Dont settle for just a pulley from one of those other companies!!!

It's basically a pulley, fuel injectors, an piggyback, and one or two other things... I wish people would stop 'planning' to release things for these two cars, and just start doing it already...

It's basically a pulley, fuel injectors, an piggyback, and one or two other things... I wish people would stop 'planning' to release things for these two cars, and just start doing it already...


It is coming......

Soon I hope...

wont be long, it needs: smaller pulley, heat exchanger, DR's, clutch, alky, CAI, exhaust, TB, a 255lph fuel pump, misc. suspension stuff, better axles, bigger injectors, umm nething else? that combo i would think would get bottom 12's.

in a month and a half, this might be for 11s
i do like the whole compound boost concept. or maybe a kennie bell 2.2 or somethin like that. haha the 2.2 might be a bit much but u get the idea.

i see good things coming in a few months.....

waits are killer.

Why twin charge? If you have a motor thats built to handle power, then you shouldnt need a turbo just to get to the 12's. Maybe the 11's, but definetely not 12's. Look at the GTP's people!! Yeah we have V6's, but we're also 300-600 pounds heavier, if not more! Plus we're stuck with garbage 4 speed autos, so we're limited to launch RPM's and our shift points. You guys shouldnt have it too hard to get in the 12's without a twin charge setup. Seeing as how the M90 has already been proven to work in our cars pretty well, its basically a no brainer to get it to perform in your cars the same way. If I had any interest in getting a Cobalt and getting it to the 12's, I can think of a few things I would do......
-CAI
-Smaller pulley
-Full exhaust from the header back
-Thermostat and colder plugs
-Tuning device(not a preprogrammed mail order PCM!!), which for you guys should be available soon I would think?
-Stronger clutch and SLICKS!!!
-Maybe some weight reduction
If after that I was still stuck in the 13's, I would look into upgrading the IC system and then a ported supercharger. 12's should be a lock at that point, with trap speed around 105 or so atleast. If not, then these cars suck and you should all just sell them for an LS1 f-body ;-)

^^^totally agree, twin charging is expensive and will put more strain on the engine. along with the list above i would add a fuel pump, and some stronger axles and probably some weight reduction. you guys just need to keep pushing on the aftermarket companies and probably need to start talking to the clutch companies like NOW!!!.

i see good things coming in a few months.....

waits are killer.
Waits are a killer. At least you haven't had the car for almost a year now with the only aftermarket option being basically a CAI. There have been a few various other things that would FIT the redlines, but were not intentionally made for them. Waiting for mods AND the car are one thing, but having the car and wiating for another car to come out (that seemingly never was going to) IMO is worse. When aftermarket companies just lok at the car and say "O, it's just a Saturn, a limited run one at that. No one is gonna want stuff for it", it really sucks. K&N was backordered for almost 3 weeks cuz they only made like 100 intakes, and got an order from redlineforums for 33 of em alone. Crap like that, is just frustrating. :(

Waits are a killer. At least you haven't had the car for almost a year now with the only aftermarket option being basically a CAI. There have been a few various other things that would FIT the redlines, but were not intentionally made for them. Waiting for mods AND the car are one thing, but having the car and wiating for another car to come out (that seemingly never was going to) IMO is worse. When aftermarket companies just lok at the car and say "O, it's just a Saturn, a limited run one at that. No one is gonna want stuff for it", it really sucks. K&N was backordered for almost 3 weeks cuz they only made like 100 intakes, and got an order from redlineforums for 33 of em alone. Crap like that, is just frustrating. :(The good news is the early development on the LSJ in the Redline, directly ports over to the Cobalt SS/SC. So THEY will reap the benefits of this development, by having serious gear made available only weeks-months after the realease of the car. (compared to over a year so far on the Redline) Although a fair amount of parts like the K&N CAI and the SCDYNE header took only about 6-11 months from the full-production release of the Redline.
WOT

Seeing as how the M90 has already been proven to work in our cars pretty well, its basically a no brainer to get it to perform in your cars the same way.Actually, the Cobalt SS comes with the Eaton M62 Roots style supercharger. Now I believe that upgrading to a Kenne Bell Twin Screw supercharger will net good gains by itself. Twin screw superchargers have much better adiabatic and volumetric efficiency, and are also more efficient in the upper rpm band. So hack that ECU and raise the rev limiter to about 6750 or 7k or until power starts to decrease, or until the supercharger cannot safely be spun any faster. Just increasing the size of the powerband should yield significant gains since the LSJ is still building power when it slams into the redline.

But will Kenne Bell make one that fits?? :confused:

Well, hopefully we'll see a mid 13 this weekend. The juice is in and the DUB 3.25 is on the way. Should be the middle of the week when we get it.

Good luck with tat bro! ;) Oh yeah and what about tires? You goin on streets?

Darrick, you going to Orlando Speed World to do the runs? I'm gonna be back up at UCF this weekend, and would love to make the 10 minute drive over to that track if that's where you're gonna be. When you planning on going?

We'll be on the stock rubber, for now. Drag radials are in the works. Yea, the runs will be at OSW, and hopefully Fri night. It depends on when the pulley comes in. If it comes on Wed or Thurs we'll be in luck. We also have to get the bottle filled. If we don't make it this Friday, it'll definitely be next Friday. I'll keep you guys up to speed!

In that case, I'll see what I can do in the way of convinving the g/f to go to the drags at least for a little while. Any idea on what time?

In that case, I'll see what I can do in the way of convinving the g/f to go to the drags at least for a little while. Any idea on what time?
It's looking like next Friday because I forgot I have to work Friday night! Damn it! Unless the pulley comes today and we get it put on tonight, and then we'll go to the track tomorrow night for the wed night deal. Next friday will give more time to convince her anyway. We'll be street racing Friday night for sure though.

But will Kenne Bell make one that fits?? :confused:
The 1200ax is a close match. It might require an adapter plate to mount to the intake and another adapter for the throttle body but it wouldn't be anything insane.

Well, hopefully we'll see a mid 13 this weekend. The juice is in and the DUB 3.25 is on the way. Should be the middle of the week when we get it.
I am hoping for a high 13 myself, what size shot are you guys going to run? Oh yeah where did you plumb the nitrous injector at?

I am hoping for a high 13 myself, what size shot are you guys going to run? Oh yeah where did you plumb the nitrous injector at?

.036 N20 jet. It's a dry shot. The calculator says it's worth 55hp. We put the nozzle about 3 inches in front of the MAF sensor in the airbox. We drilled and tapped the stock airbox. It's completely invisible when the is hood raised. We had to remove the front wheel and splash guards to get to the airbox. So rejetting the nozzle is going to suck, but we don't have a plan to change it any time soon unless the .036 is too big with the pulley. Then we'll drop down to a .032 jet.

Im comin to you guys w/ nitrous questions if I ever decide to run it.
Im thinkin about runnin a 300 shot or so through my 2.2L S-10 (after I buy my Cobalt SS of course!) so I can blow up the engine and have a reason to drop in an LS1, that would be a LONG project for me though so Im not sure if I will pursue that one or not, but if I do, I will go the 300 shot route, cause that just sounds fun to me! LOL :D

Why sell yourself short? Go with a 2000 shot and have some fun! :D And take the next county with you.

LOL Yeah sure! All I really need is enough to blow the engine if I even do it, the engines almost gone anyways, thats the only reason Im even considering it. I think anything over a 100 would actually do it.

I can blow your engine for free. No mods or anything. Just let me drive it for a day. I'll have that motor blown good, especially if you got a manual trans in that thing. Just give me a call if you want my assistance.

I probably could too, in less than an hour, just by revin too high in third and forcin it into second and so on. I just think the nitorus would be more fun. LOL :D

Yea, I think it will be. Spray it up pal.

How long to get a car in the 12s? How about get a car PERIOD?! People are still waiting 3 months to get the damn things! :mad: You think somehow I can get my order form into the 12s?!

Damn man, that sucks.... they have 2 SS's just sitting in the showroom here....

^^^totally agree, twin charging is expensive and will put more strain on the engine. along with the list above i would add a fuel pump, and some stronger axles and probably some weight reduction. you guys just need to keep pushing on the aftermarket companies and probably need to start talking to the clutch companies like NOW!!!.

I agree, but I would add suspension to the list man, you can have all the power in the world, but you still have to put it to the ground....

We are the west coast team running the Phase5 Cobalt for GM....and 12's are a thing of the past! When we first ran the car in March at the media day presentation we ran 11's at almost 120mph. We have been running the car every week just about since then have improved those time considerably. We are now running consistant 7.40's on the 1/8 mile at almost 94 mph with a best 1.68 60' time! Not bad for a little front wheel drive car! And we are not throwing alot of boost at it...20lbs max. We won a Summit divisional race about 3 weeks ago against all V8's and to say the least got quite a bit of attention. We are running a 1/4 event on Sunday and are anticipating times of 11.50's or better. We'll keep you informed as to the results.

We are the west coast team running the Phase5 Cobalt for GM....and 12's are a thing of the past! When we first ran the car in March at the media day presentation we ran 11's at almost 120mph. We have been running the car every week just about since then have improved those time considerably. We are now running consistant 7.40's on the 1/8 mile at almost 94 mph with a best 1.68 60' time! Not bad for a little front wheel drive car! And we are not throwing alot of boost at it...20lbs max. We won a Summit divisional race about 3 weeks ago against all V8's and to say the least got quite a bit of attention. We are running a 1/4 event on Sunday and are anticipating times of 11.50's or better. We'll keep you informed as to the results.


We are talking about street cars, the Cobalt SS in particular.
a Street car Cobalt has yet to run a 12, or somebody correct me if i'm wrong...

No nowhere close....

Actually that is not correct. You can read more info here...
http://www.3800pro.com/forum/showthread.php?t=8294&highlight=cobalt

Actually that is not correct. You can read more info here...
http://www.3800pro.com/forum/showthread.php?t=8294&highlight=cobaltVERY old news
Take a look at the date of this thread you've resurrected
At the time... 12s were not being achieved by a daily driven SS/SC
Wop

Whoops, I saw 6-30, but missed the 05 part, sorry.

LOL!! good one wop!

modified mag this month has a few cobalts including an orange 7-second turbo Balt.

I think we may glimpse some 12.999's once stage 3 hits and some goon hits that alleged Nitrous button. Or when the twincharger setup is available........Can you say "embarrassed LS1's"???

Hate to tell ya but a very few LS1's (F-body's) went 12's bone stock. And tons dipped 12's EASILY with JUST bolt ons... It will take a lil more than high 12's to embarass many of the LS1's out there... We wont even start on the LS2,LS6, and LS7 LOL!

But you're right they(12's) shouldnt be that far off from bein the "norm" of modded LSJ's now

LS1's are bad now, trust me i know. The only two races i have had with my ss/sc have been 00 Camaro SS's. But 12.9 "easily" from an fbody is not entirely correct.

As you are well aware a cobra hits 12.9s bone stock and a cobra will walk all over LS1's. You would need at least $2500+ in your engine and some talented driving with a stock LS1 to even occasionally break into the 12's

I frequent the camaro forums alot and while there all really fast, there all really modded too ;)

If the fbodys could hit 12's with just a ram air kit and an exhaust, then nobody would of forked out 42 grand for corvettes. (which outsold firebirds in 02)

I agree entirely. I know a handful "supposedly" ran 12.9 all stock down to the tires, and were probably at a track with a DA of negative something. Truth being, i've seen plenty of different LS1's run down the 1/4 at Milan and 131dragway. Takes more than a few mods to get a 12. If not, you need a hell of a driver. But if the track isnt hooking, then it isnt hooking, and you wont see 12's.

(Story Time, related to high power cars, not an LS1)
I'll tell you just recently of a car i saw running Milan. A brand spanking new GT500 with M plates. The guys obviously had never driven this particular car down a strip, and it was huge learning process for the launch.

The car would either spin all of 1st, or it would bog then move into big rear wheel hop in first. Occasional mis-shifts happened as well. Suffice to say, i ran side by side with him once. My reaction time on the start was faster, but his 60' was a little quicker, so we're side by side. I'm shifting well, running out the gears, watching him right next to me shifting pretty well himself. By the top of 3rd i'm starting to move away, and in 4th i'm creeping ahead even more.

All the while i'm thinking this guy should be walking me EASY. At the end, we get our slips and we both ran nearly identical times, 13.5x's @ 105.x. I continued to watch him race a few times, and he did trap 109 on one of his runs, but he also spun all of 1st and netted a nice 14.0. Even in the bracket racing you could see he hadnt learned alot as his dial-in was 13.4. When i saw him run the 2nd round of brackets he netted a 14.x after spinning/bogging/hopping and mis-shifting.

For a car with 500hp, i was not impressed. Bad driver, and the car may still have been in a low power break-in period, i'll give them that much. But, I would really expect more from that thing. (highly overrated as people are finding out)

*pats on back for contributing to an extremely old and worthless thread* :cool:

there is already a SS/SC in the 12's over on css.net. he has a 2.5 pulley along with some other things, not sure about all of it. i think he might have video as well.

How about a more pertinent question: When will AEM or Injen release a CAI to fit my SS 2.4L? Also, how do I post a photo on here?

Thread is old as hell let it die... lol