I have a 1995 Honda Civic EX and I was wondering how fast u guys drive in your Civics? I cant get mine to go over 100mph.

Good luck. You'll be flamed shortly.

And please, don't mention anything about the Cobalt's engine being a Honda.

Do you think there is something wrong with my car?

Most Civics wont go much faster then that because of the computer. My freinds Del Sol cutts off at 120mph. And depends on the engine you have.

So you dont think there is anything wrong with it? So you think if I put a muffler on my car I can go 120 like your Del Sol (those are such cute little cars)

Oh damn my water pump just went out. I thought these things are supposed to run forever.

Not sure my freind has a good amount done to his car and being the civic's are larger they might top out at around 100 but i am not 100% sure.

Retracted statment - misunderstood post

Civics are governed at 124.

And actually, the Del Sol is jus as heavy/light as the Civic. The reinforcements for the targa top are heavy.

Yeah i was not real sure my freind could tell you he has a Del Sol club but anyway.

Yeah i was not real sure my freind could tell you he has a Del Sol club but anyway.

I remember you telling me a few stories about his club. His club parked near me at Carlisle Custom Compact last year.

Yeah since then the club is up to something like 60 members!

Thanks for all the input guys, but I really want to sell this car and move up to something a little more sporty, maybe a VW Beetle! ;)

Thanks for all the input guys, but I really want to sell this car and move up to something a little more sporty, maybe a VW Beetle! ;)

Keep the Honda. It can be a v8 killer with the right mods.

Honda's are awesome tuning cars. People are just too ignorant to understand this.

Yea I have heard the boys have been telling me, but im not into big wings and huge mufflers, and the beetle comes with a turbo so I could totally kill V-8's with that!

Is this serious? Civics arent fast stock but anything CAN BE fast!

I never said my civic was fast did I?

I didnt say anything in a bad way. Trust me my S-10 isnt fast either. Im not flaming at all!!

Im just looking for something a little sporty and that can definetly move, but needs to be stylish and around $20,000!

The SS's and SRT-4's and maybe an RSX-S. Those are all pretty good ones. But Im a Chevy guy so you know which one I would go with! ;)

The SS's and SRT-4's and maybe an RSX-S. Those are all pretty good ones. But Im a Chevy guy so you know which one I would go with! ;)

Same here but i was considering a RSX-S, but i want the SS.

Ohh those RSX's are cute, but im just disappointed with Hondas I want to try something new. Whats everyones thoughts on a Beetle Turbo?

Nah, I dont think they are all that fast. I recall you said you'd like somethin with a lil get up and go....

Some Beetles can be fast with some turbo mods they can become very quick. But me personaly i would get a R32 Golf and they have alot of get up and go.

But me personaly i would get a R32 Golf and they have alot of get up and go.
They're fat and overpriced. Its all about the EVO now.

Or a well modded EG Civic coupe. It can be a beast.

Thanks for the input guys, I think a Golf is a little too sporty for me, but which color do you guys like best?

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Light blue one. The green looks like baby $hit. LOL Sorry i just is plan ugly color. The yellow's are not that nice of a color.

Yes 87camaroPA you are right the pink and blue ones look very nice!

Stick with the modded Civic. Nothing compares to a fast Honda.

Why on earth is this post here? The forum is cobalt SS, and this post started out talking about a civic, and is now talking about beetle's? WTF?? At least it should be in off-topic?!?!

Yea I have heard the boys have been telling me, but im not into big wings and huge mufflers, and the beetle comes with a turbo so I could totally kill V-8's with that!


This has got to be a friggin joke. That's absolutely hilarious... you won't kill any V8s with a Turbo Beetle unless you are dumping lots of mod money in to it.

Lastly, I agree with Devo... WTF is going on here?

So you dont think there is anything wrong with it? So you think if I put a muffler on my car I can go 120 like your Del Sol (those are such cute little cars)


WTF????? How old are you?

How many times have you watched "The Fast and the Furious"????

i second devo's message

If you guys have nothing informative to say you should just post nothing at all, I just came on here asking some questions and I believe that its unfair that you are treating me like this!

If you guys have nothing informative to say you should just post nothing at all, I just came on here asking some questions and I believe that its unfair that you are treating me like this!


Clearly, you needed a dose of reality.

You thought a Turbo Beetle will "kill V8s" and that a "muffler" would give you enough power to go 120 mph in your Civic.

Now you know both of those statements are not only wrong, but absolutely ludicrous. It would seem we've been very informative.

A chipped 1.8t will hang with v8s. My APR'd 1.8t does all the time. Granted, I have some other mods, but nothing to break the bank too bad.

A Civic will do 120 stock. I know, because I've had my old Civic there a few times. A free flowing exhaust of reasonable size will only help.

So, before you say someones statements are ludicrous, make sure your information is correct.

A chipped 1.8t will hang with v8s. My APR'd 1.8t does all the time. Granted, I have some other mods, but nothing to break the bank too bad.

A Civic will do 120 stock. I know, because I've had my old Civic there a few times. A free flowing exhaust of reasonable size will only help.

So, before you say someones statements are ludicrous, make sure your information is correct.
What V8's are you talking about?

The last Gen mustangs aren't that great, if that's what you're talking about then I'll agree. But if you're talking T/A's or Z28's, both stock 13 second cars then no. I read earlier you said you could make civics a V8 killer. Sure you can, with a motor swap. The problem I have with imports, I see most of them basically having the same limitations. If you want to break into mid consistent 12's a total rebuild on the motor is needed or you need a motor swap, also you need a very strong tranny. American V8's and some V6's can run 11's on stock heads, and rockers etc. The whole thing is, it seems that the bigger V8's and V6's are built stronger from the factory, the imports smaller engines can't handle to much wear and tear. I went into get my car smogged today, and the guy mistook my car for a mitsu, how you do that with a pontiac I don't know. He was telling me how he frequently saw numerous mitsus over 70k in miles burning oil. The less displacement, the more wear and tear. That's the truth. New heads and internal mods that's easily disproven, but I'm talking stock internals to stock internals.

A chipped 1.8t will hang with v8s. My APR'd 1.8t does all the time. Granted, I have some other mods, but nothing to break the bank too bad.

A Civic will do 120 stock. I know, because I've had my old Civic there a few times. A free flowing exhaust of reasonable size will only help.

So, before you say someones statements are ludicrous, make sure your information is correct.

If the car could not do 100 mph before, then no - adding a muffler will not make it do 120 mph.

Civics can do 120 mph stock... congratulations... I don't care a fig. And I'll add that you need to be of diminished mental capacity - or have a death-wish to attempt it in a stock Civic.

And you can "hang" with V8s all you want with your 4-banger... a Turbo Beetle still doesn't "kill" V8s.

I suggest you brush up on your reading comprehension.

What kind of whp and quarter mile numbers does your APR'd 1.8T run?

I suggest you brush up on your reading comprehension.

What kind of whp and quarter mile numbers does your APR'd 1.8T run?

Before u make comments like this I would suggest that u do some research cause last I checked an APR'd 1.8T is capable of low 14's on 93 octane program! http://goapr.com/VW/products/ecu_upgrade_jetta18t.html (look at the section where it says "Notes" those are engine codes my engine is an awp, and these cars usually dyno about 10hp/10lb-ft tq less than it says on their website).

Now running the 100 octane program (I have a dyno attached on the bottom) 226.8 @ 284.1 FT LB TQ 100oct can easily run 13's! All that in a 3,000 lb car not to mention FWD and u have only spent like $700 to achieve this, discuss...

Before u make comments like this I would suggest that u do some research cause last I checked an APR'd 1.8T is capable of low 14's on 93 octane program! http://goapr.com/VW/products/ecu_upgrade_jetta18t.html (look at the section where it says "Notes" those are engine codes my engine is an awp, and these cars usually dyno about 10hp/10lb-ft tq less than it says on their website).

Now running the 100 octane program (I have a dyno attached on the bottom) 226.8 @ 284.1 FT LB TQ 100oct can easily run 13's! All that in a 3,000 lb car not to mention FWD and u have only spent like $700 to achieve this, discuss...

Low 14s doesn't kill V8s.

LS1 Camaros and Trans Ams ('98-'02) run low 13s bone stock. Some drivers are good enough to hit high 12s.

Mustang GTs are usually high 13s, but they vary from year to year... some may run a low to mid 14.

'03+ Mustang Cobras will run a high 12 bone stock. With a simple pulley and exhaust combo (less than $1K), they're an 11 second car with 450ish rwhp. (HEY! That's about double what your APR'd 18.T makes when it's using 100 octane ;) )

LT1 Camaros and Trans Ams ('93-'97) run low 14s, some high 13s.

Once again... you're not "killing" V8s... and good luck finding ANY of the above cars that are still stock.

Reality bites, doesn't it?

Discuss... :rolleyes:

My GTi beats late Fox body Mustangs all the time. I don't necessarily "kill" them, but I do take them.

Before you call BS, allow me to list my mods. I run the APR 100 octane software, Forge 007 diverter valve, N75J boost control solenoid, EuroJet FMIC, GHL CAI, GHL 3inch turboback, DieselGeek SS, ECS stage 2 clutch kit, and a few insignificant mods. I consistently boost at 18psi with spikes of 21psi.

I read earlier you said you could make civics a V8 killer. Sure you can, with a motor swap. The problem I have with imports, I see most of them basically having the same limitations. If you want to break into mid consistent 12's a total rebuild on the motor is needed or you need a motor swap, also you need a very strong tranny.
They're very limited. With the right mods and tuner, they can be a blast.

I went into get my car smogged today, and the guy mistook my car for a mitsu, how you do that with a pontiac I don't know. He was telling me how he frequently saw numerous mitsus over 70k in miles burning oil.
Mistubishis suck. They love to crankwalk at 70k'ish too. I'm very glad Dodge only used their turbo and they completely redesigned the Evolutions block.

New heads and internal mods that's easily disproven, but I'm talking stock internals to stock internals.
That is a huge limitation. Honda's VTEC system is great for street purposes, but can't be done in a race car setup.

']Why on earth is this post here? The forum is cobalt SS, and this post started out talking about a civic, and is now talking about beetle's? WTF?? At least it should be in off-topic?!?!


I could not agree more. i think this thread should be moved to a Honda site or a Gay site Im not sure which ( maybe they are the same thing). Teddy bear,I have read your posts about every car being Cute, and wanting to meet guys with big muscles. I do not care what team you play for but what is the deal with the more fem than fem comments. Just for the hell of it, for the people that think tuners are the ultimate V8 killers because of the movie "The Fast and the furious, remember what kind of car the movie ended with ??????

If the car could not do 100 mph before, then no - adding a muffler will not make it do 120 mph.
I misread that before. In that case, there is no way an exhaust would add 20mph.

Civics can do 120 mph stock... congratulations... I don't care a fig. And I'll add that you need to be of diminished mental capacity - or have a death-wish to attempt it in a stock Civic.
It was actually very stable. If I ever have a modded Honda, I hope to trap near 120.

And you can "hang" with V8s all you want with your 4-banger... a Turbo Beetle still doesn't "kill" V8s.
TeddyBear obviously used he wrong term. No, it won't kill most v8s. I can "kill" some, but not all.

I suggest you brush up on your reading comprehension.
I'll let this one go for now. Why ruin an intelligent conversation.

What kind of whp and quarter mile numbers does your APR'd 1.8T run?
I haven't dyno'd recently. The last was somewhere in the 220s or 230s. I'll get back to you. For the 1/4, high 13s.

Just for the hell of it, for the people that think tuners are the ultimate V8 killers because of the movie "The Fast and the furious, remember what kind of car the movie ended with ??????
A 2jz-gte Toyota Supra.

Remember, the Charger was totaled.

If you want to break into mid consistent 12's a total rebuild on the motor is needed or you need a motor swap

Not all 4 bangers need engine swaps. Other than bigger injectors and turbo my car ran high twelves stock...93 oct. I guess generally speaking though heavy modification is required for that small of engine. But that's the fun of it.
What is it with you guys and Fast and Furious? You seem to bring it up more than everybody else. That movies is so hollywood it's not funny. I doubt the gereral public (maybe the impressionable young kids) really thinks that sh*t is for real. If someone drives an import they must live by the Fast and Furious code. :rolleyes:

Not all 4 bangers need engine swaps. Other than bigger injectors and turbo my car ran high twelves stock...93 oct.
Do you have an STi?
I guess generally speaking though heavy modification is required for that small of engine. But that's the fun of it.
Great minds think alike. I like this guy.

A 2jz-gte Toyota Supra.

Remember, the Charger was totaled.

I have to give you that one, I forgot LOL.To be honest with you , I fell asleep after the Charger scene , I thought that movie sucked.That film was so cheezy it reminded me of those old dubbed martial arts movies from the 70s.



The supidest line of the movie " I live my life a quarter mile at a time "

I have to give you that one, I forgot LOL.To be honest with you , I fell asleep after the Charger scene , I thought that movie sucked.That film was so cheezy it reminded me of those old dubbed martial arts movies from the 70s.

The supidest line of the movie " I live my life a quarter mile at a time "
:D

Bullitt was better.

Great minds think alike. Thumbs up ;)

It's just an 02 WRX..I forgot to mention engine management of course

My GTi beats late Fox body Mustangs all the time. I don't necessarily "kill" them, but I do take them.

Before you call BS, allow me to list my mods. I run the APR 100 octane software, Forge 007 diverter valve, N75J boost control solenoid, EuroJet FMIC, GHL CAI, GHL 3inch turboback, DieselGeek SS, ECS stage 2 clutch kit, and a few insignificant mods. I consistently boost at 18psi with spikes of 21psi.

I think you may be a bit mistaken. Do you know what a fox-body is? I'm not asking to be a dick - I want to clarify if you don't. The fox-body Mustang went out of production in the early 90's (I'm more of a GM guy, so I don't know the exact year). They were the 5.0 Mustangs, and to this day, the greatest drag racing platform ever produced. Stock, they were in the 14s, but just like most Stangs today, it's hard to find a stock one.

The newer body style kept the 5.0 for the first couple years, before switching to the SOHC modular 4.6L. The first year for that motor was when the Mustangs were truly anemic and were lucky to click off a mid 14. The late model GTs were running high 13s in the hands of a capable driver, and the new '05 Mustang should see an average time in the high 13s.

It sounds like you've done some decent work to your car, and I'm glad we've come to understand each other a bit in this discussion. However, you're now at the point where most V8s start from... add some mods to them and they're in the 12s and 11s very quickly.

I'm not anti-import at all... but I'm never going to stand back and watch quietyly when someone says, "I'll get a Turbo Beetle so that I can kill V8s".

A 2jz-gte Toyota Supra.

Remember, the Charger was totaled.
Actually if you keep watchin after the credits it was a good ole fashioned SS!!! ;)

Red with black stripes for the color, its been so long I cant remember exactly what it was but I think it was a Chevelle.

I think you may be a bit mistaken. Do you know what a fox-body is? I'm not asking to be a dick - I want to clarify if you don't. The fox-body Mustang went out of production in the early 90's (I'm more of a GM guy, so I don't know the exact year). They were the 5.0 Mustangs, and to this day, the greatest drag racing platform ever produced. Stock, they were in the 14s, but just like most Stangs today, it's hard to find a stock one.

The newer body style kept the 5.0 for the first couple years, before switching to the SOHC modular 4.6L. The first year for that motor was when the Mustangs were truly anemic and were lucky to click off a mid 14. The late model GTs were running high 13s in the hands of a capable driver, and the new '05 Mustang should see an average time in the high 13s.

It sounds like you've done some decent work to your car, and I'm glad we've come to understand each other a bit in this discussion. However, you're now at the point where most V8s start from... add some mods to them and they're in the 12s and 11s very quickly.

I'm not anti-import at all... but I'm never going to stand back and watch quietyly when someone says, "I'll get a Turbo Beetle so that I can kill V8s".

Maybe I am. I'm not much of a Mustang guy either.

And you're right, I'm at the spot where v8s start. But you gotta admit, from a 4cylinder, it's pretty good.

Actually if you keep watchin after the credits it was a good ole fashioned SS!!! ;)
Really? Touche, CoBIZZLE, touche.

Not all 4 bangers need engine swaps. Other than bigger injectors and turbo my car ran high twelves stock...93 oct. I guess generally speaking though heavy modification is required for that small of engine. But that's the fun of it.
What is it with you guys and Fast and Furious? You seem to bring it up more than everybody else. That movies is so hollywood it's not funny. I doubt the gereral public (maybe the impressionable young kids) really thinks that sh*t is for real. If someone drives an import they must live by the Fast and Furious code. :rolleyes:

Thank you for not being like the majority of these people thinkin that their V8's rule and all 4 cylinders suck! A real car enthusiast not a fuckin GM fanboy!

Not to mention that I get over 20mpg in my little 4 cylinder can your V8 do that?

Not to mention that I get over 20mpg in my little 4 cylinder can your V8 do that?

Well not trying to be a dick but the new Corvett with 400hp can!!!

Well not trying to be a dick but the new Corvett with 400hp can!!!

The corvette is a $40,000 car thats a little different!

The corvette is a $40,000 car thats a little different!

Well you were saying any V-8 well i ponted out there are V-8's out there getting some good gas mileage. But your right the Corvette is in it's own leage of cars. Witch makes it one of the best car's IMO.

Dude your little 4 bangers suck!

Well you were saying any V-8 well i ponted out there are V-8's out there getting some good gas mileage. But your right the Corvette is in it's own leage of cars. Witch makes it one of the best car's IMO.

I wont argue the Corvette with you thats an impressive car and I give props to GM for making such a killer car.

Dude your little 4 bangers suck!

Who the hell is this guy making stupid comments like this, dont get JDM started on his Honda kick cause he will own you!

Where do you live in FL? I will show you how slow my 4 banger is.

Not to mention that I get over 20mpg in my little 4 cylinder can your V8 do that?

I got 29 mpg in my Trans Am WS6 with 345 rwhp.

Next?

I wont argue the Corvette with you thats an impressive car and I give props to GM for making such a killer car.



Who the hell is this guy making stupid comments like this, dont get JDM started on his Honda kick cause he will own you!

Where do you live in FL? I will show you how slow my 4 banger is.

The thing that sucks the most about your 4 banger is that you are behind the wheel of it.

The corvette is a $40,000 car thats a little different!

The Corvette has the same motor as the Camaro, Trans Am, GTO, and CTS-V... thus, they all get well over 20 mpg.

Actually my buddy says his Z28 can get up to 25 mpg pretty easily! I doubt thats in town but the LS1 is still a very efficient V8. Oh and dont get me wrong! Im not on any one side of this argument I LOVE fast four cylinders, as do i brutal V8s, so I can agree with parts of both arguments...

Oh and Mike is a tool, he always makes stupid ass comments...

Can this thread be locked? It's absolutely off-topic and getting to be just downright silly.

The thing that sucks the most about your 4 banger is that you are behind the wheel of it.

His 4 cylinder or 4 cylinders in general?

I got 29 mpg in my Trans Am WS6 with 345 rwhp.

Next?

What do you get in the city? 29mpg is really good for a v8. Shit, VWs VR6 only gets ~28 highway.

His 4 cylinder or 4 cylinders in general?

Anything he is driving, because he's obviously a.............. I'll bite my tongue.

What do you get in the city? 29mpg is really good for a v8. Shit, VWs VR6 only gets ~28 highway.


If I could keep my foot out of it, it was right around 20...

LOL... like I could keep my foot out of it ;)

Glad to see you guys are gettin along now!!

If I could keep my foot out of it, it was right around 20...

LOL... like I could keep my foot out of it ;)

THat is still better than the VR6. The EPA rates the VR6 at 19mpg city.

BTW, the VR6 is a 2.8L v6. Its output is half of yours.

Glad to see you guys are gettin along now!!
We've been getting along the whole time. He respects Hondas. Therefore, I respect him.

I've never had a problem with imports simply because they are imports... however... I do have a problem with a large portion of the import scene who tends to have factually incorrect and biased opinions on domestic cars; meanwhile their car runs 15s, and they think it's wicked fast and try to race everything on the street. That kind of attitude just infuriates me.

I also have a problem with a large portion of muscle-bound mullet heads who can't appreciate a fast car unless it is a Chevy or Ford and has a V8... but that's another story.

If you like fast cars, and know what you are talking about, I like you. :)

I've never had a problem with imports simply because they are imports... however... I do have a problem with a large portion of the import scene who tends to have factually incorrect and biased opinions on domestic cars; meanwhile their car runs 15s, and they think it's wicked fast and try to race everything on the street. That kind of attitude just infuriates me.

I also have a problem with a large portion of muscle-bound mullet heads who can't appreciate a fast car unless it is a Chevy or Ford and has a V8... but that's another story.

If you like fast cars, and know what you are talking about, I like you. :)

Preach it brother.

I also don't like v6 Camaro drivers with Import Velocity Car Club logos on their cars. If I had a scanner, I'd post the pic of it...

Preach it brother.

I also don't like v6 Camaro drivers with Import Velocity Car Club logos on their cars. If I had a scanner, I'd post the pic of it...

LOL
Hey whatch the V-6 Camaro bashin i have a V-6 Camaro. :)

So now that I have sold that car and I am buying a house, the question becomes what my next ride will be...

I'm obviously interested in a Cobalt SS, or I wouldn't be here.

I had a 2002 Trans Am WS6 and a 2001 Cavalier LS for a daily driver.

Now, I just have the Cavalier. I feel as though I might lose my mind if I stay with this piece of shit car much longer... BUT... within a year, I would be in a financial position to buy a slighltly used C5 Z06 rather easily.

So the question is... do I ?.?.?...

1) Deal with the Cavalier for a year, and buy the Z06 in about a year
2) Scrap the Cavalier, buy a Cobalt SS and be happy with one car that can be a good DD and still have some fun...

or...

3) Hang on to the Cavalier for a few months, save up money to make a big downpayment on a Cobalt SS so that I have small monthly payments, and then wait another year or so to buy a Z06. This plan would put a Cobalt SS and a Corvette Z06 in my garage in about a year and a half...

***Disclaimer*** This has nothing to do with this thread, but we were already WAY off track, so I figured what the hell.

LOL
Hey whatch the V-6 Camaro bashin i have a V-6 Camaro. :)

Did you go to Carlsile last year?

There was a v6 Camaro with a rear windshield baner that read "Import Velocity". Import Velocity also had a Supra nad NSX there last year.

Nothing wrong with v6 Camaros, just stupid ricer v6 Camaro drivers.

I would go with #3. :D

So the question is... do I ?.?.?...

1) Deal with the Cavalier for a year, and buy the Z06 in about a year
2) Scrap the Cavalier, buy a Cobalt SS and be happy with one car that can be a good DD and still have some fun...

or...

3) Hang on to the Cavalier for a few months, save up money to make a big downpayment on a Cobalt SS so that I have small monthly payments, and then wait another year or so to buy a Z06. This plan would put a Cobalt SS and a Corvette Z06 in my garage in about a year and a half...

1) Can you handle the Cavy for another year?
2) The Cobalt is ok, but you could have a z06.
3) Can you afford the insurance. Full coverage plus car payments on 2 cars would be expensive.

Did you go to Carlsile last year?

There was a v6 Camaro with a rear windshield baner that read "Import Velocity". Import Velocity also had a Supra nad NSX there last year.

Nothing wrong with v6 Camaros, just stupid ricer v6 Camaro drivers.

No i was very busy that day last year. And plus my Camaro is a 87 and is black with black louver's on the rear window.

1) Can you handle the Cavy for another year?
2) The Cobalt is ok, but you could have a z06.
3) Can you afford the insurance. Full coverage plus car payments on 2 cars would be expensive.


I'll have to wait and see I guess... I kinda doubt I can live with the Cavalier for another whole year though.... :(

Z06!!!! NO MATTER WHAT YOU DO!!!!! Z06!!!!!!





....oh and ummmm, if/when ya get it, can I drive it??? Im not scared to take a road trip!!! :D

Sell the cavy now and get a GTO for 32K new.

4s can be good, but arn't to begin with, the millage thing is trivial now as DOD and MDC systems shut down the extra cylinders untill needed making it a 4 untill full throttle.

And for the record

Camaros/Firebirds only used the 5.7L 350HP LS1, the GTO Corvette and SSR all now use the 6.0L 400HP LS2.

04 and older models all used the LS1.

LS1,2,6,7 all basically the same engine with different bolt on parts. You can easily bolt LS6 heads onto an LS1 and so forth...

LS1,2,6,7 all basically the same engine with different bolt on parts. You can easily bolt LS6 heads onto an LS1 and so forth...

While that is true, you CAN NOT bolt them onto a 2,4, or 7.

The LS1 and LS6 are the only ones that are interchangable as they are the same block. The LS2 is a larger 6.0 Block that won't interchange parts, the LS4 is the 5.3L , and the LS7 is the 7.0L 500HP.

Thus 7.0 parts won't fit a 5.3, or a 6.0.

But the LS1 and LS6 are the same block with head/cam changes.

While that is true, you CAN NOT bolt them onto a 2,4, or 7.

The LS1 and LS6 are the only ones that are interchangable as they are the same block. The LS2 is a larger 6.0 Block that won't interchange parts, the LS4 is the 5.3L , and the LS7 is the 7.0L 500HP.

Thus 7.0 parts won't fit a 5.3, or a 6.0.

But the LS1 and LS6 are the same block with head/cam changes.

LS1 and LS6 are not the same block. LS6 block is scored for better heat dissipation at extended periods of high revs; but in higher horsepower applications this actually means the LS1 block is a bit stronger. In addition to that, the LS6 also has a higher compression ratio... the LS6 is not just a simple head/cam package on an LS1.

Believe me man, I've spent the last 4 years of my life learning all about these engines... I know the differences between the LS1,2,6, and 7... I grouped them all into the same group because they are all very very similar motors.

I'm going to have to follow up with you on the LS2 and LS7 heads... if memory serves me correctly, they actually can be used on the LS1 and LS6 motors. However, I know FOR A FACT that the 5.3L heads can indeed be used on the LS1/6. Many people use them as a quick way to increase the compression ratio without swapping out the bottom end.

Sell the cavy now and get a GTO for 32K new.

4s can be good, but arn't to begin with, the millage thing is trivial now as DOD and MDC systems shut down the extra cylinders untill needed making it a 4 untill full throttle.

And for the record

Camaros/Firebirds only used the 5.7L 350HP LS1, the GTO Corvette and SSR all now use the 6.0L 400HP LS2.

04 and older models all used the LS1.

It's doubtful you are from Michigan. The GTO would be usless 5 months out of the year. I cannot have one car that is RWD and 400 HP. However, I can have a daily driver with a summer weekend cruiser :cool: .

I'm just not that in to the GTO... why spend $30K on a new car that will drop in value like a rock the second I drive it off the lot, when I can spend $30K on a C5 Z06 with 10K miles, in perfect condition, blow the doors off the GTO, and sell it for $24K in 3 years?

Also... I would go Mustang Shelby GT500 before I would go GTO.

Believe me man, I've spent the last 4 years of my life learning all about these engines... I know the differences between the LS1,2,6, and 7... I grouped them all into the same group because they are all very very similar motors.

The similarity is what I was gettin at, so I'll have to agree with VeloSSity here, as I have not had any personal experience w/ the LS2,7s but I was (and still am till I see hard proof either way) assuming that they are based on the older LS1 design so much that they could be interchangeable.

I'm going to have to follow up with you on the LS2 and LS7 heads... if memory serves me correctly, they actually can be used on the LS1 and LS6 motors. However, I know FOR A FACT that the 5.3L heads can indeed be used on the LS1/6. Many people use them as a quick way to increase the compression ratio without swapping out the bottom end.

I know the 5.3L TRUCK heads would work, but I think he may have been talkin about the 5.3L LS4 for the FWD Gran Prix GXPs and Monte and Impala SSs comin out next year. Now on this one I have NO IDEA. It very well could and then it again may not be interchangeable at all...???

The similarity is what I was gettin at, so I'll have to agree with VeloSSity here, as I have not had any personal experience w/ the LS2,7s but I was (and still am till I see hard proof either way) assuming that they are based on the older LS1 design so much that they could be interchangeable.



I know the 5.3L TRUCK heads would work, but I think he may have been talkin about the 5.3L LS4 for the FWD Gran Prix GXPs and Monte and Impala SSs comin out next year. Now on this one I have NO IDEA. It very well could and then it again may not be interchangeable at all...???

Yeah, I was talking about the LQ4 heads...

Wow, this thread hasn't been moved to "General Discussion" yet? :D

I've never had a problem with imports simply because they are imports... however... I do have a problem with a large portion of the import scene who tends to have factually incorrect and biased opinions on domestic cars; meanwhile their car runs 15s, and they think it's wicked fast and try to race everything on the street. That kind of attitude just infuriates me.

I completely understand what you are saying here, and it can be an annoying problem. But I would like to add that I get more than my fair share from the V8 crew as well. It's generally trucks, the plethera of WS6s around here, and of course, the stangs. I actually had a guy in a late '90s cobra go out if his way to do a u-turn on a major road and track me down on the highway just to line up. :confused: Guess he has something to prove...but my point, I sense a great amount of bias there as well. Maybe these are the mudflap mullet men that you speak of.

to sum up a stock Ford Escort Zx2 S/R can do 120 but on the other hand my non S/R can outrun a lightly modded civic stock and its an atx. If you add a muffler at best youll get is 1 or 2 horsepower. thts not substantial enough to make a big difference. The thing with Gti's is that their parts are outrageously expensive. a exhaust that i was looking at cost 700 bucks which to me is to much but a 1.8t that has all normal boltons exhaust and intake with a chip will be able to run with alot of v8's for one the chip will bolster a 1.8t to 225 hp at crank plus the intake and exhaust you will be seeing around 260. with the weight and the gear ratio you shouldnt have much of a prob with keeping up with v8's depending on wht your racing.

My view on a honda if its a civic isnt worth wasting the money. I mean there is alot of parts and stuff out there and with the right amount of money into anything you could beat anything. The reason i dont like civics is because of the rep as RICE and they are everywhere. if i were you i would buy something else if you want the beetle go for it. beetles arent thought to be tuner cars so sleeper beetle's are awesome just not in the colors you chose but thts me. i dont see any reason y if you like the beetle you shouldnt get it unless you see something you like along the way.

man if i had turbo beetle i would be so excited i would be all crazy i would be like this:
http://img.villagephotos.com/p/2004-6/741523/18655475_m.gif

It's pointless to keep this thread alive. TeddyBear was bizzanned.

It's pointless to keep this thread alive. TeddyBear was bizzanned.


HAHA!! No way!

What happened to warrant that?

He was a troll from the same guy that had Mad/Black/White Mike. I think Ekool said he ad 6 seperate user names.

Beat the dead horse guys. Beat it.

man if i had turbo beetle i would be so excited i would be all crazy i would be like this:
http://img.villagephotos.com/p/2004-6/741523/18655475_m.gif

LOL LMAO. :D

LOL LMAO. :D
LOL yeah that shit is funny!!! AAAAAAHHHHHHHAAAAAHHHAAAAA!!!! :D
The more I watch that the more I laugh, turn it off turn it off!!!! LOL :D :D

LOL yeah that shit is funny!!! AAAAAAHHHHHHHAAAAAHHHAAAAA!!!! :D
The more I watch that the more I laugh, turn it off turn it off!!!! LOL :D :D


I know i can't stop watching it it is so damn funny!! :D

Finally, someone sees the humor! LOL :D :D I can't stop watching it either....



btw, a buddy of mine has a Turbo S Beetle, so it makes it that much more funny to me. :p

Wow, what a post:
1.Okay guys if you want top speed go buy a $15,000 2000 LS1 Camaro or Trans Am for a stock 165 mile an hour top speed.

2. Civics don't compare to V8s, you can turbo a civic but you can also turbo a LS1. Want something fast?- buy something really fast and make it faster. My 560 horsepower turbo LS1 gets 30 MPG on the highway. The 300 horsepower Civics I know get about 12 miles to the gallon on the highway. A LS? will always get better gas mileage then a fast Civic. Heck the new C6 gets 18/28 MPG with 400 horsepower, the Acura NSX gets 17/24 with only 252 horsepower(Go honda!)

3. The LS6/LS1s are the same from the outside so go ahead and swap what ever you want. The LS2 pretty much has the same heads as the LS6. My 02 SS Camaro has a LS6 block from GM but it has LS1 heads, cam, etc..
Although the LS7 is a 427 it still has the same outside dimensions as a LS1.

4. To that one guy, keep the Cavalair and buy a C6 ZO6. Swap out the titanium rods for forged internals and add a twin turbo for $8,000.

5. The 2000-2002 Fbodies dyno at 300-310 at the rear wheels while the 05 GTOs dyno at 330-340. The Fbodies actually are faster for the following reasons: the Fbodies only have two CV joints and about 500 less pounds to launch. The Fbodies also have solid rear axles with stock 275 tires. The GTO has 7 CV joints with tires that are only 245s.

What can't a camaro do?
Besides get discontinu'd
:D

What can't a camaro do?
Besides get discontinu'd
:D

So aren't we coming up on the last year of the NEON?

Yep, the Neon is on it's way out just like the fbody.
Neon Replacement for 2006 (http://www.autoblog.com/entry/1234000373023186/)

ohh gosh why in the world are all the car companies replacing their compact coupes with stupid ugly cars. ford replaced its coupe with the focus. dodge is replacing its neon with THAT!!! not that im complaining im not much of a dodge guy but i do like the srt-4 somewht

ohh gosh why in the world are all the car companies replacing their compact coupes with stupid ugly cars. ford replaced its coupe with the focus. dodge is replacing its neon with THAT!!! not that im complaining im not much of a dodge guy but i do like the srt-4 somewht

The Neon is a compact sedan, not a coupe. The neon is outdated, that sheet metal is almost 10 years old.

. The 300 horsepower Civics I know get about 12 miles to the gallon on the highway. A LS? will always get better gas mileage then a fast Civic.

I doubt that. Unless you have really bad engine management an injector will work just like any other when it's not under load. I could see 12 mpg stomping it on a continual basis..but you will have the same results with any vehicle, including the V8. Turbo charge an 8 cyl and watch the gas gauge go down. Now compared to N/A LS1, then yeah maybe.

4. To that one guy, keep the Cavalair and buy a C6 ZO6. Swap out the titanium rods for forged internals and add a twin turbo for $8,000.



A couple things...

I don't want the C6Z06. Dropping $70K on a car is downright moronic for someone with my income. Could I do it? Well, that's questionable... maybe... Would it be a shocking example of downright horriffic dumbassery on my part to do it? Without question...

Second of all, I would not want to turbo this car. I'm buying it for complete, all around performance. There are a couple things I do not want to do: 1) Decrease its handling abilities - NOT EVEN A LITTLE BIT. 2) Make it so powerful that it liquifies non-drag racing tires.

This car will be a street car with all around performance. I will not ever sacrifice its handling capablities for the sake of straight-line speed. To me, that's absolutely moronic. I don't care if "99% of all races happen in a straight line"... I want my car to be a turning machine, so everyone can deal with it.

I do, however, want some power upgrades over stock - especially on the top end. The G5X3 - 112 cam is extremely interesting to me. Along with some nice heads and a ported intake manifold, you can effectively set the shift points at 7400 RPMs :D ... I would like that, and I'm also thinking about an all-bore 382. I just have to watch and make sure I'm not roasting the tires too easily. To top it all off, I am thinking about a 100 direct-port shot for use in 3rd and 4th gear. I want to be running low 11s at over 130. I'm thinking around 550 rwhp with this combo, and probably not much more low-end torque than stock... but boy would it come alive after 4500 :D

All of this is a 2004 Commemorative Edition Z06 is my ideal car right now :cool:

I need about $15K for a downpayment, and the baby is mine........

I doubt that. Unless you have really bad engine management an injector will work just like any other when it's not under load. I could see 12 mpg stomping it on a continual basis..but you will have the same results with any vehicle, including the V8. Turbo charge an 8 cyl and watch the gas gauge go down. Now compared to N/A LS1, then yeah maybe.

A GM V8 will get better gas mileage with a turbo at a low 5-6 PSI. The turbo makes the motor that much more efficient, 5 pounds of boost will help someone pick up 10-20% I mileage. I recently turboed a 6.0 Liter H2 and it picked up 3 MPG.

With your four cylinder you probably have to make boost just to get your car moving. A V8 has no problems driving around at 1500 RPMS and so the turbo is just more icing on the cake. My car cruises at 1500 RPMs at 70 and with the added torque of the turbo I never have to down shift to 5th.

With high boost and a four cylinder you are requiring a ton of fuel to keep your air/fuel ratios correct.

GM also builds the world's best motors for discplacement/fuel mileage. The 6.0 Liter Corvette C6 with 400 horsepower gets 18/28 MPGS. The Acura NSX only has 250 horsepower and it gets 17/26 MPG.

A GM V8 will get better gas mileage with a turbo at a low 5-6 PSI. The turbo makes the motor that much more efficient, 5 pounds of boost will help someone pick up 10-20% I mileage. I recently turboed a 6.0 Liter H2 and it picked up 3 MPG.

With your four cylinder you probably have to make boost just to get your car moving. A V8 has no problems driving around at 1500 RPMS and so the turbo is just more icing on the cake. My car cruises at 1500 RPMs at 70 and with the added torque of the turbo I never have to down shift to 5th.

With high boost and a four cylinder you are requiring a ton of fuel to keep your air/fuel ratios correct.

GM also builds the world's best motors for discplacement/fuel mileage. The 6.0 Liter Corvette C6 with 400 horsepower gets 18/28 MPGS. The Acura NSX only has 250 horsepower and it gets 17/26 MPG.

You're probably going to get flamed for that... because it's pretty much the truth.

My four cylinder has no problem moving without boost. You have to take into effect the fact that the turbo doesn't even spool up until after 3k rpms, so it has to get there somehow. Granted, yes, it is not a torque monster and without boost is by no means a street machine. The circlip popped of the wastegate actuator arm on my turbo once, which I'm sure you know basically made it N/A for a minute. But I was surprised how well it got around without any boost at all. But that is what it is built for, high boost. It's all basic physics. 4 cylinders obviously is lower displacement, so it has to make up for it in other ways. But I do see your point about gas mileage...under load.
I am not out to flame anyone and I cannot detest that having a properly built V8 with boost is definitely the best of both worlds. But I don't have the money to waste on an H2 or drop on a Corvette. I just don't know why you want to go to a forum dedicated to 4 cylinders (or at least one in particular) and talk down about them. I really enjoy mine and wouldn't trade it for most V8s. There's a trade off for everything. Maybe I admittedly don't know enough about large displacement modification, but I don't go to talking smack about them on their home turf.

My four cylinder has no problem moving without boost. You have to take into effect the fact that the turbo doesn't even spool up until after 3k rpms, so it has to get there somehow. Granted, yes, it is not a torque monster and without boost is by no means a street machine. The circlip popped of the wastegate actuator arm on my turbo once, which I'm sure you know basically made it N/A for a minute. But I was surprised how well it got around without any boost at all. But that is what it is built for, high boost. It's all basic physics. 4 cylinders obviously is lower displacement, so it has to make up for it in other ways. But I do see your point about gas mileage...under load.
I am not out to flame anyone and I cannot detest that having a properly built V8 with boost is definitely the best of both worlds. But I don't have the money to waste on an H2 or drop on a Corvette. I just don't know why you want to go to a forum dedicated to 4 cylinders (or at least one in particular) and talk down about them. I really enjoy mine and wouldn't trade it for most V8s. There's a trade off for everything. Maybe I admittedly don't know enough about large displacement modification, but I don't go to talking smack about them on their home turf.

No don't worry we are all friends here and this post has gone everywhere. Your WRX is a great little motor and its a lot of fun to get a lot of horsepower out of it. 15-20 PSI out of a 4 cylinder is one way to make 300 horsepower, a V8 is just another way.

Most people, especially four cylinder guys think that big displacement usually equals bad mileage. GM's LS1,2,5,6 motors are weird that GM has designed them for good mileage. My turbo LS1 is my commuter which is weird but it works fine. You can get really bad mileage out of a LS1 but it usually takes at least 700 horsepower worth of fuel.

Well, despite your condescension, I guess I've learned something if what you said stands true.


...... and this post has gone everywhere.
Hasn't it? The sad part is that it was started by some moron who was just trying to start sh*t for no reason.

Hasn't it? The sad part is that it was started by some moron who was just trying to start sh*t for no reason.


I'm glad I was the first to call BS on him! ;)

One of those guys that spends way too much time on the net for sure.

An interesting point:
At 20 PSI a 2.0 L motor needs 130% of the fuel of a 5.7 Liter needs at 5 PSI to keep a 12:1 air/fuel ratio!

At 20 PSI a 2.0 L motor needs 130% of the fuel of a 5.7 Liter needs at 5 PSI to keep a 12:1 air/fuel ratio!

Just curious, how do you figure that? That could vary depending on the efficiency/air flow of the turbo...but I guess looking at ballpark figures... What kind of power output does 5 psi give a 5.7? What size injectors do you use in your car?

Ha-ha, weird coincidence. I was reading an OT blurb regarding GM at a Subaru forum and this was posted:
Oh, and it is possible to create powerful engines that get great gas milage. Look at Corvettes for example, and F-Bodys wern't shabby either.
I guess you've been validated.

Guess her Civic went from 0-BANNED in no time flat!! That seems pretty fast, somebody should tell her... or him... or it... :p

What do you get in the city? 29mpg is really good for a v8. Shit, VWs VR6 only gets ~28 highway.

My LS1 car got 30 MPG on the highway stock w/every road trip, 17-19 in the city and ran a 13.1@108 on street tires.
Hows that for insane? It gets better fuel econemy then my mothers taurus and my 98 Lumina.

My LS1 car got 30 MPG on the highway stock w/every road trip, 17-19 in the city and ran a 13.1@108 on street tires.
Hows that for insane? It gets better fuel econemy then my mothers taurus and my 98 Lumina.

I'm really suprised how efficient those cars are. My friends LS1 gets 21 city.

I got to drive his 98 Z28 with a 6 speed LS1 this morning. ASR went off and gas got punched. I was throw back into my seat hard. My neck still hurts. I think I have whiplash... I'm an LS1 fan from now on. Rock on, LS1!

I told you man! The rumble from those things are AWESOME and they can accelerate like nobodies business!!! I get to drive my buddies 98 Z28 w/ T56 every now and then and I LOVE it!!! Thats why Im still considerin a SS (CAMARO) :D

I told you man! The rumble from those things are AWESOME and they can accelerate like nobodies business!!! I get to drive my buddies 98 Z28 w/ T56 every now and then and I LOVE it!!! Thats why Im still considerin a SS (CAMARO) :D
I drove it early this morning and then later on had to cope with a 2.0L Jetta... :(

LOL Imagine how I feel gettin outta my buds Z28 and gettin into a 2.2L S-10..... >vomits from withdrawals<