Recently there has been some debate about which vehicle will be faster from the factory. The lighter weight ION Red Line, or the Cobalt SS.

What do you think?

I think they will perform about the same.

Same here...

I do not think the weight will have that big of a difference and i thought that the Cobalt SS has a stiffer suspention so that will take car of the weight difference.

Only time will tell. :)

However apart of me hopes the SS performs better.


It's a BowTie thing.



Ruben F.

anyone know the actual weight of the redline yet? even if it was a 200lb. diference that's only about .2 in the 1/4 mile. But it will affect it more in the turns as the front will possibly have more push.

Our SRT-4 weighs in between 2964-2998 depending on what we have in it and thats with the driver in it. So in actuality the SRT-4 weighs in at about 2830 lbs.

But I think it was motor trend that trapped 98mph...but we coul;d never go by street measurement tools...lol

The Car and Driver article says the Cobalt has a new close ratio tranny and should be quicker than the ion redline.

I just read something in motor trend or somewhere that says the redline will be a hair faster.. i'll find it and post it later!

Seems the magazines cant make up their minds.. guess we'll have to wait and see :)

The SS is 2993, and the redline is 2983 or something along those lines.

Don't forget about the SS's bigger and much heavier wheels.

Well i would really like it if the SS were faster.

We will just have to wait and see.

the cobalts faster according to SCC

I'm sure that if the Cobalt SS is listed as faster it's because it's equipped with the LSD. There is no way that a heavier car with bigger heavier wheels and the same powertrain can be faster.

The SS is 2993, and the redline is 2983 or something along those lines.
Know whats funny about that Nocturn? the SRT-4 states that it weighs 2970.

Our 2003 SRT-4 weighs 2820.

Would be nice to see how much the Cobalt SS weighs in at. We do have a certified scale locally where we weigh our car.

I believe it's faster for the reasons of
#1 Test car had LSD.
#2 LSD helped the CSS achive better short time.

Saturn Redline Curbweight is 2,930 lbs



Chevy Cobalt SS Curbweight is 2,806 lbs

The Cobalt SS is lighter and I belive they even changed the gearing also on the Cobalt SS to use more of it's powerband, On the RL the you hit the Rev Limitor and you are still gaining power. I have heard that if the RL was able to rev an extra 500 - 700 RPM's that it will reach it's full potention and when you shift you will be able to keep the RPM's above 4,000 where you make real good power. I am not positive and don't quote me if I remember right I heard a someone on the Cobalt Design team say something along the lines that there were canges made to the Cobalt SS to reach more of it's potential power.


Also on the J-Body Orginization there was a good thread/debate on the 2 cars. I suggest reading the thread and make your own opinion about what is faster.

http://www.j-body.org/forums/read.php?f=6&i=68188&t=68188&start=0

Motor Trend ran a 14.5 1/4 at 98mph.

With such closely matched cars, it's going to be more a matter of the driver, the road conditions, etc.

Hope to see some of you guys out on the road! ;)

hmmm...I'd like to think the cobalt due to chevy being the flagship company, not saturn, but either way man I can't wait to race one.

hmmm...I'd like to think the cobalt due to chevy being the flagship company, not saturn, but either way man I can't wait to race one.


You also have to remember that Chevy is more of the low end of GM's models. Also GM is placing Saturn more in the the sporty end of the spectrum along with Pontiac.

>> The SS is 2993, and the redline is 2983 or something along those lines.


wow thats not bad at all.. I thought they were going to be around 3200

Nothing against the redline great car but i think the ss will have its number.

The gearing on the Rl and the SS are the same. They were supposed to be different but the trans kept breaking on the SS. I can't wait to find my first SS on the street.

Well i was just reading my new(March) Super Street Magazine and the they test drove the Cobalt SS Supercharged and they said it weighs 2,806. But that is them so.... i dont know they may be right but i am not sure who knows the real facts exceipt if you accualy weighted the car.

Well i was just reading my new(March) Super Street Magazine and the they test drove the Cobalt SS Supercharged and they said it weighs 2,806. But that is them so.... i dont know they may be right but i am not sure who knows the real facts exceipt if you accualy weighted the car.

Yeah, the brochures just came into GM yesterday when I went to order my car and that is the weight it lists for the SS. Car and driver had it around 2993lb for some reason....no idea why.

Motor Trend ran a 14.5 1/4 at 98mph.


If that is the case, it appears to me that either the car didn't hook up very well @ launch, or it really has some power in third gear.

What makes me think this is that I've read about numerous stock SRT-4's running 13.8-14.1's @ 98mph... (verified with videos)

Let's average here:

Stock SRT-4 1/4 mile: 14.0@98mph
Cobalt SS S/C 1/4 Mile:14.5@98mph

Someone just said they weigh almost the same..... Same trap speed, a half-second ET difference.

Something just doesn't sound right :confused:

Of course, I'm no 1/4 mile pro, but those are my thoughts. ;)

I'd like to see the slip! If someone has the issue, post the 60', 1/8th, 1000' and 1/4 times here please!

Guys... it's the SAME CAR!!!! It has the same short ratio tranny, it has the same supercharger with the same intercooler with the same engine, with the same suspension, with the same wheelbase, with the same equal-length half-shafts, with the same LSD option. If anything makes one faster than the other it's the large wheels vs small wheels. Don't take what most of these mags say. Keep in mind that Sport Compact Car couldn't get the Redline to break a 7 second 0-60, yet C&D did a 6.3. They said the change to 3rd gear was holding it back. Change to 3rd??? How come my Redline dosen't need 3rd to get to 60? The magazines will say that the Redline is not as good as the Cobalt becuase it's a SATURN! If one of you has a stock Cobalt SS at some point, and we run 10 1/4 mile drags, I doubt VERY highly that anyone monitoring the results would be able to tell a difference.

Right on Sp00ner
I think that with the near identical similarities with the cars it is going to be driver.

Wait a tick, same same same right? Does that mean they are going to have the same bolt pattern??

Right on Sp00ner
I think that with the near identical similarities with the cars it is going to be driver.

Wait a tick, same same same right? Does that mean they are going to have the same bolt pattern??

I would assume so, but I'd stick with the 17's....

Its a drivers race. Weight differences that small are negligable.

If it was someone that has only driven the car for the day, I can EASILY see how they couldn't get it to hook up off the line. Now, are those numbers for the Neon with the LSD or you don't know? I can EASILY see a .5 ish gain in the quarter with that. I would go to the SCCA for most of the weight issues that people are arguing over, they have nothing to gain or lose by mistating the weight of the car. The Neon actually weighs more than the Redline according to that chart, Dodge says is weighs 2970. SCCA says the Redline weighs 2890. My guess is that they are nearly identical at just over/under 2900 lbs.


If that is the case, it appears to me that either the car didn't hook up very well @ launch, or it really has some power in third gear.

What makes me think this is that I've read about numerous stock SRT-4's running 13.8-14.1's @ 98mph... (verified with videos)

Let's average here:

Stock SRT-4 1/4 mile: 14.0@98mph
Cobalt SS S/C 1/4 Mile:14.5@98mph

Someone just said they weigh almost the same..... Same trap speed, a half-second ET difference.

Something just doesn't sound right :confused:

Of course, I'm no 1/4 mile pro, but those are my thoughts. ;)

I'd like to see the slip! If someone has the issue, post the 60', 1/8th, 1000' and 1/4 times here please!

I say it doesn't matter. The Ion RL looks like a piece of crap. Enough of a reason to get the Cobalt SS/SC when they're that close performance-wise.

yeah, i agree, i really dont like the looks of the ion, period. i didn't mind the earlier saturns (i cant remember what they were called, i'm not really a huge saturn fan). so i would go with the cobalt, just for the looks :D

yeah, i agree, i really dont like the looks of the ion, period. i didn't mind the earlier saturns (i cant remember what they were called, i'm not really a huge saturn fan). so i would go with the cobalt, just for the looks :D

Good call. :) Plus you won't have to look to the right to see your gauges. And there may not be one of those "lift up on ring to go in reverse" things. God, do they think we need a child safety for that? I don't like these "features" which assume the driver is a moron. At least the reverse lockout should be transparent and automatic.

Good call. :) Plus you won't have to look to the right to see your gauges. And there may not be one of those "lift up on ring to go in reverse" things. God, do they think we need a child safety for that? I don't like these "features" which assume the driver is a moron. At least the reverse lockout should be transparent and automatic.

A reverse lockout on a 5 speed? What the...

lots of cars have reverse lockout.... BMW, Mercedes,focus, Mini, etc.
It's nothing new...

Is that reverse lockout by button/pull-up ring? I can't use my mom's Benz to compare cuz it's an automatic. I have a reverse lockout and essentially, if the car is moving forward, you can't even shift into reverse. I can't move the stick to the right of 5th/6th gear. That's how it should be done.

I say it doesn't matter. The Ion RL looks like a piece of crap. Enough of a reason to get the Cobalt SS/SC when they're that close performance-wise.

Yea, except for the fact that my 2005 Redline was $18,000 before financing, and the Cobalt SS is $21,000. Maybe more from the sound of it, hey I got an idea lets race my Ion and your Cobalt... oops.. you can only look at pictures of it.. hmm.. The best part of it is they're selling you the same car for a few grand more, and you're standing in line like lemmings at the cliff. Whatever, I drive a Saturn, I guess my manhood is secure enough that I can drive what I like instead of what you Sheeple think is a good car. How come the Redline owners are out trying to help you guys with your cars and finding performance gains, defending the Cobalt (since its the same car) in arguements with ricers. Then I come here, and you guys just bash the Ion. Whatever.. you kids have fun waiting a few more months for the car that has already been put through one price change, and I'll drive my 'crappy Saturn' around with the $4,000 in mods that I can get with the price difference. You're so blinded by the fact that it's a Saturn that you can't even come to grips with the fact that it's the same car. Oh, and if it has the same transmission, like it does, it will have that same reverse lockout, cry about that some more, what's next the plastic panels that don't dent or rust? Idiots. You guys are all defensive over somone calling a Cobalt a Cavilier, yet you do the same thing to the guy driving the Ion that sticks up for ya. Maybe you should get the web site of the RSX troll over on the other thread... you can go ahead and flame me know, but I won't be checking back anyway. I'm sure you'll waste your time typing anyway, ya'll don't seem like you missed too many branches when falling out of the stupid tree....

Hey SpOOner is it ahrd to read your gauges when driven because if i was Saturn i would have keep the gauges where they belong right in front of the driver. Because when i sat in a Redline i just did not like the gauges where they were. I thought they maybe kind of hard to read them.

The center mount guages are different, but by the end of the first day, you're used to them. They're actually easier to read then standard guages becuase they are mounted higher up. You don't have to look down, just to the right, which keeps your line of site on the road.

Oh, and you guys are nuts if you think there will be a measurable difference between these cars. They are indeed identical, except for the 18" wheels on the cobalt. (that includes the pull ring reverse lockout) GM is not about to incure extra manufacturing costs to put different transmissions, ecu's, and what not on two cars that are built on the same line.

Hey SpOOner is it ahrd to read your gauges when driven because if i was Saturn i would have keep the gauges where they belong right in front of the driver. Because when i sat in a Redline i just did not like the gauges where they were. I thought they maybe kind of hard to read them.

Actually they're easier to see, and with a boost gauge, shift light, and a few other toys (gps, etc), the dash in front of you becomes a great place for aftermarket gizmos that you care about looking at. You can mount a small GPS unit right to the steering column and have it in perfect view. The only gripe that I have about it is the tach should be on the left side of the cluster. You have to move your eyes the exact same angle and amount regardless of where the gauges are. I mean, no one complains about using the side mirrors on a car. You should also see how much easier it is to see the road in front of you in the dark on a dark road when visibility is reduced. Now at least I don't have to dim my interior lights on long dark rides.

If someone put the gauges in the middle of a Honda, it would be ingenious engineering, if someone does it in a Saturn it's stupid. Just like the CVT that Saturn put out while Audi was failing at it left and right. No one wanted it, comes out in an import car and its a great feat of engineering. People are such sheep some days it's sickening...

makes sense...

Oh and what is CVT? Continuous valve timing maybe? Im havin a brain fart :confused:

CVT == Continuously Variable Transmission -- sort of a one speed tranny that can alter its gear ratio at will.

I don't remember posting (and I don't want to look for it) but I think the RL might be faster because it's got 17" wheels vs 18" wheels. But maybe the gearing in the Cobalt SS/SC will compensate for it?

Well I think it will br a drivers race.

Oh and thanks ekool, I didn't even know that. I thought it had somethin to do w/ the engine. lol

I don't remember posting (and I don't want to look for it) but I think the RL might be faster because it's got 17" wheels vs 18" wheels. But maybe the gearing in the Cobalt SS/SC will compensate for it?

Same gearing, Sport Compact Car said that 'if the Cobalt were not using a larger tire/rim that it would most likely equal the Redline's accel. Of course they say that the Redline does 0-60 in over 7 seconds, and requires a change to 3rd gear, which is a bunch of crap.

Yea, I saw that. And I've heard a lot of guys at RL forums say otherwise about having to shift into 3rd. I hope the Cobalts can hit 60 in second as well!

Yea, I saw that. And I've heard a lot of guys at RL forums say otherwise about having to shift into 3rd. I hope the Cobalts can hit 60 in second as well!

If I ping off of the limiter, which has happened like 3 times, in second gear I'm going around 64ish, just a needle width under 65 on the gauge. With the range of 6.1 - 6.5 that the Redline's are running, I would assume that the Cobalt would be right in there as well. Just remember that these were not really designed to be straight-line 1/4 mile cars. They have alot of handling stuck in the design process. I still have not got the car to come loose in the turns, curves, you name it. It was 60 degrees out here yesterday, and I beat the hell outta the suspension trying to find it's loose point, and so far I haven't had a wide enough, safe enough, area to do it. I get the speed up to where I think I'm gonna break loose, and it just throws me into the door and shoots around the corner. My buddy put his seatbelt on just to hold himself in the seat... What I would like to see is how the Cobalt handles on a track compared to the Redline, those fatty rims should make it carve...

IMHO, its the same engine, so it will be the same!... i agree about the 18 inch rims slowing it down, but does 1 inch make a HUGE difference..?.. nope...

drivers race!

I almost found out which is faster the other day. I saw a red SS driving in Utica but I couldn't get turned around to get to him.

man.. i woulda went over a sidewalk if i had to...

you'd be the first ones to do it!

KSE woulda went over a sidewalk and bent his rim(S) and lost the race and woulda come runnin back to us, man the SS's are WAAAAY faster...
j/k K!
But that wont happen cuz arent you tryin to get an SS. not a RL correct me if Im wrong

lol :D

actually im looking for an LT1 as a "slow-progress-project" car soon...

i cant afford a 20K car, not even any car in the 10's K...

but i if could, the Cobalt would def. be my choice... even if its slower, i'd mod it to hell ;) and always say its stock lol... ok ok.. i'd still mod it to hell though :cool:

KSE woulda went over a sidewalk and bent his rim(S) and lost the race and woulda come runnin back to us, man the SS's are WAAAAY faster...
j/k K!
But that wont happen cuz arent you tryin to get an SS. not a RL correct me if Im wrong

Yea, I'd love to find an SS to play with. I just think it woul be a blast and a total driver's race. I might have the advantage if I wasn't 6'4" 250.

Yea, I'd love to find an SS to play with. I just think it woul be a blast and a total driver's race. I might have the advantage if I wasn't 6'4" 250.

lol, im 5'8-9.. about 125lbs..

LMFAO, im one hell of a driver too.. i pretty much have no affect on the car im racing with, :D

The Car and Driver article says the Cobalt has a new close ratio tranny and should be quicker than the ion redline.
Exact same transaxle FPG(Saab) F35 Exact same ratios ,
Combine that with a signicant weight difference+ the taller P215/45R-18 used on the Cobalt...
RedLine Wins!

JMO
WOT

Driver's race, but my vote going towards the SS.

Definitely a drivers race, wheels WONT make THAT MUCH of a difference! MAYBE a couple of tenths and in that case its still a drivers race!

What a fun time to be a owner of either the Redline or Cobalt SS.. You cats rock!

same in a straight line. but i guaratee the cobalt ss s/c will own the redline on a track.

I Own An Ss Cobalt And I Have Raced Both An Ion Redline And An Srt-4 And Much To My Surprise It Is An Even Race With The Srt, And I Have Beaten A Couple Redlines.

I Own An Ss Cobalt And I Have Raced Both An Ion Redline And An Srt-4 And Much To My Surprise It Is An Even Race With The Srt, And I Have Beaten A Couple Redlines.


Then either you are a better driver or the srt owner could not drive because the srt will own a rl or ss stock.By the way come off your high horse the RL and SS are the same except for the body so the race could go either way.It is wierd how all you people raced a redline and won when the vast majority of people have not even seen a redline on the road including myself let alone run one.I say get out the bs meter.

lol chazb..true true

Have yet to see a Redline, have only seen 1 SRT-4 and as of this moment I am the only SS rolling in town. There was another one in Blue I saw in the dealer getting prepped for the owner, but I have yet to see it around!

There was a yellow one in my town but it is long since gone, he was around here for about a weekend and vanished, he actually stayed in my neighborhood for a few days, only thing I can figure is that he was just passin through and was stayin w/ family or somethin?!?! Oh well maybe I can still be the first to own one in my town!!! :D

Here is something for averyone to think about. I was at the local drag strip a few weeks ago and there was an 04 Redline present. I was talking to him later in the day and the best time he could manage was around 15.1. I do not remember his trap speed. That same day I ran a 14.7 at 95.5mph and I miss shifted going into 3rd gear. If I did not miss shift I probably would have run close to a 14.5 at 98mph. I know this could be the differance between how we drive the cars. Also the reason I feel my SS could have run a 14.5 at 98mph is later I managed 2 runs of 15.00 at 98mph with loads of first gear wheelspin, fiddling with the clutch too much, but I had no miss shifts. I feel the best way to run the car is to use as little clutch as possible. Who knows though, the next time I go to the strip, I will test this theory.

Then either you are a better driver or the srt owner could not drive because the srt will own a rl or ss stock.By the way come off your high horse the RL and SS are the same except for the body so the race could go either way.It is wierd how all you people raced a redline and won when the vast majority of people have not even seen a redline on the road including myself let alone run one.I say get out the bs meter.

It all depends where you live. I have seen several Redlines, too many Srt4's,and several SS's.

I live ina city of 3 million, and have only seen one RL and no SS's yet (even though they are everywhere at chevy dealers right now).

Seen a SS and a SRT-4 run from a light one day.. the SS did have a exhaust i do know that, anyways the SRT-4 pretty much burned him out the hole and throgh the gears... seemed likethe SS tires didn't wanna grab where the SRT's tires just grabed and took off.

i've also ran a few SRT's at the track and the fastest one i've seen sofar was a 13.8

damn..it's looking bleak for the SS so far

damn..it's looking bleak for the SS so far

I don't know if running 14.7 stock is bleak!! No stock SVT Focus could dream of that!!

I see you have fun picking on NA 4 bangers. Your car is in a different category, first of all..and in that one, it's not looking good.

Secondlly, no SS could dream of a 6-speed tranny, factory Xenon headlamps 11.8 and 11.0 brakes, and a production of only 3,985.

BTW, I like the SS. trying to buy one, but I really don't like YOUR attitude. You're really making future SS owners look bad with your cocky attitude.

I see you have fun picking on NA 4 bangers. Your car is in a different category, first of all..and in that one, it's not looking good.

Secondlly, no SS could dream of a 6-speed tranny, factory Xenon headlamps 11.8 and 11.0 brakes, and a production of only 3,985.

BTW, I like the SS. trying to buy one, but I really don't like YOUR attitude. You're really making future SS owners look bad with your cocky attitude.


And you don't :rolleyes:

I don't know if running 14.7 stock is bleak!! No stock SVT Focus could dream of that!!

14.7 is no real accomplishment.. i have a NA acura intgra that runs 13.8's all motor, no nos, and a non vtec block....

14.7 is no real accomplishment.. i have a NA acura intgra that runs 13.8's all motor, no nos, and a non vtec block....

How ever said it was an accomplishment. Your integra problably weighs 2000 pounds soaking wet also. Another thing the regular block can probably handle more power anyways than most v-tec blocks can if you're not bracing cylinder walls.

How ever said it was an accomplishment. Your integra problably weighs 2000 pounds soaking wet also. Another thing the regular block can probably handle more power anyways than most v-tec blocks can if you're not bracing cylinder walls.


sorry no stripped out integra here, full sysytem no built crazy over the top intenrnal work just some swapping of parts, gearing, and some nice driving....

Sorry if this has been asked before, but how much are the majority of the cobalts supposed to dyno at? I thought it was supposed to be around 215whp or so, and I even searched and found some dynos showing those numbers, but I am having a debate with another guy and he's saying that he's mostly seen 190ish whp stock for the cobalt. Any help would be appreciated

Sorry if this has been asked before, but how much are the majority of the cobalts supposed to dyno at? I thought it was supposed to be around 215whp or so, and I even searched and found some dynos showing those numbers, but I am having a debate with another guy and he's saying that he's mostly seen 190ish whp stock for the cobalt. Any help would be appreciated

Tell him to look at the dyno results from modern performance. I'm sure some may be dynoing at 190ish though.

Tell him to look at the dyno results from modern performance. I'm sure some may be dynoing at 190ish though.

on what type of dyno.. not evey one will read tha same. but those are nice # to baseline off though.

That would theoretically mean the SS is a 215-220hp at the crank

i have driven both the redline seamed quiker off the line but the cobalt was a little quicker in 2nd and 3rd

My vote is for the space shuttle..........................

My vote is to the best driver...

Well there's a good amount of misinformation in this thread and hopefully I can clear a few points up:

1.) The Cobalt weighs about 150 lbs. less than a RL. Sorry guys, it's true.
2.) The engine/trans are the same, but I'm not so sure that the PCM cals are. In my experience, the SS cars seem to rev a little faster, which is cal related and not hardware.
3.) The suspensions are DIFFERENT! There are different springs and dampers in each car. Dealership employees, feel free to acess the part numbers. You'll see that they are indeed different.
4.) The 18" OEM SS wheels are quite light, as are the RL ones. That's a wash.
5.) The SS tires are a little stickier than the Dunlops on the ION.
6.) The cars come off DIFFERENT lines. The ION is made in Spring Hill, while the Cobalt comes from Lordstown.


Whew, that clears up everything that I can think of so far.

I run a 14.5@97mph in my bone stock Red Line. What are you guys running stock?

Best for me was a 14.7@ 95.5 mph on a sultry day.

Since they both have the same engine, I think that the cobalt would win for sure. But which one weighs more???

NEver mind about the weight guys just found out. Sorry.

Since they both have the same engine, I think that the cobalt would win for sure. But which one weighs more???


This post makes no sense. They both have the same engine, and you don't know the weights, but the Cobalt is faster? :confused:

This post makes no sense. They both have the same engine, and you don't know the weights, but the Cobalt is faster? :confused:hahahaha, you're right.. he DOESN'T make sense. Probably worded it wrong!

I run a 14.5@97mph in my bone stock Red Line. What are you guys running stock?Dude, that's awesome. You should be able to hit a 14.4/3 with more practice! What was your 60' time?

Dude, that's awesome. You should be able to hit a 14.4/3 with more practice! What was your 60' time?


Thanks, 60' was 2.346, it was as hot as the devil's ass that day too and it was my first time at a track. It's a really tough car to launch.

Thanks, 60' was 2.346, it was as hot as the devil's ass that day too and it was my first time at a track. It's a really tough car to launch.If I were you, I'd try slicks just for the hell of it.

p.s.: launch is key... PRACTICE!!! You have the potential with that trap speed

If I were you, I'd try slicks just for the hell of it.

p.s.: launch is key... PRACTICE!!! You have the potential with that trap speed


14.843@98.48 with a 2.557 60ft.-best trap

I wouldn't try slicks on the factory clutch.

I might have a bit of a factory freak becuase I pulled on and beat two modded RLs after losing the hole shot at the track.

Wow. 98pmh traps are good for 14.3 passes with a good launch. Slicks won't affect the stock clutch the way you think. You should try them.

I think the Cobalt would be soo much faster!

I think the Cobalt would be soo much faster!


Are you dillusional or just trying to come off as a jackass? I raced one on the street and smoked him but he had a couple of people in the car so it doesn't count.

Are you dillusional or just trying to come off as a jackass? I raced one on the street and smoked him but he had a couple of people in the car so it doesn't count.

No need to be a dickhead! I just believe that with LSD the SS is gonna be faster and it looks a lot better too

No need to be a dickhead! I just believe that with LSD the SS is gonna be faster and it looks a lot better too


Some RLs have the LSD too and it will only really help while accelerating out of a turn as the car has equal length half-shafts. I can lay two equal tire marks when I drop it. I got it for 16k, good luck finding an SS for that. Looks are totally subjective, I personally like the sleeker and more understated look of the RL. I actually think neither car has a peformance advantage unless you believe the magazines. Neither is "soo much faster", it will be a driver's race. I'm not a dickhead, I just don't like ignorant fanbois and their lemming like blind devotion.

Some RLs have the LSD too and it will only really help while accelerating out of a turn as the car has equal length half-shafts. I can lay two equal tire marks when I drop it. I got it for 16k, good luck finding an SS for that. Looks are totally subjective, I personally like the sleeker and more understated look of the RL. I actually think neither car has a peformance advantage unless you believe the magazines. Neither is "soo much faster", it will be a driver's race. I'm not a dickhead, I just don't like ignorant fanbois and their lemming like blind devotion.

Maybe toolbox would be a more accurate description!

Maybe toolbox would be a more accurate description!


Sorry if I have facts and you have only name calling. You little man, are a cockholster and need to go away now.

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SSfanboy is obviously a troll... pay no attention to him nor reply to his posts

What do u mean a troll?

My vote is to the best driver...


thats who always wins.. i really don't see why people benchrace.. what the car can do and what a driver can do is 2 different things.. 90% of the time... peole will never make their cars hit the #'s they are suppose to...

I believe in total performance it would be the SS...
I believe the Redline has a disadvantage in its center post because of the suicide doors. http://www.srtforums.com/forums/images/smilies/bigthumb.gif

Those are just my thoughts

I believe in total performance it would be the SS...
I believe the Redline has a disadvantage in its center post because of the suicide doors. http://www.srtforums.com/forums/images/smilies/bigthumb.gif

Those are just my thoughts


The lack of the rear doors may add stiffness to the SS that the RL lacks. I wouldn't give up my suicide doors though. It makes it easier to gut the interior.. ;)

I believe in total performance it would be the SS...
I believe the Redline has a disadvantage in its center post because of the suicide doors. http://www.srtforums.com/forums/images/smilies/bigthumb.gif

Those are just my thoughts

What center post?

This might start a small fire, but in my personal experiance at the local drag strip,an 04 Redline was running his car. I noticed his personal best was 15.1 and my personal best was a 14.7. Same track, same day. When I asked him about his launching techniques, he explained very similair techniques. My vote goes to my SS versus that Redline! ;)

This might start a small fire, but in my personal experiance at the local drag strip,an 04 Redline was running his car. I noticed his personal best was 15.1 and my personal best was a 14.7. Same track, same day. When I asked him about his launching techniques, he explained very similair techniques. My vote goes to my SS versus that Redline! ;)

Just maybe you are a better driver or he had a bad day.With the same talent driver the times would be much closer I think you would even admit something is not right.I am not saying the redline is faster on a given day it might be faster the same for the ss but not that much of a difference.

Exactly. It's a very difficult car to launch especially at the track.

14.576@97.28 with a 2.346 60ft.-best ET
14.843@98.48 with a 2.557 60ft.-best trap
2004 Red Line bone stock down to the factory airfilter.

this is a hard topic, you can take 2 of the exact same cars and they could run 2 totally different times. driver, atm, tempratre, engine temp. soooo many variables too many to list.......idrealistically they should be the same tho?

What center post?


When you open the doors, where your locking latch is place is your center post. It easier to notice on a four door if you do not know what it is. On a four dour, where the rear door swings on is the center post. This is the simplest way I can describe it. :D

When you open the doors, where your locking latch is place is your center post. It easier to notice on a four door if you do not know what it is. On a four dour, where the rear door swings on is the center post. This is the simplest way I can describe it. :D


The redline has suicide doors and there is no center post. :D

The redline has suicide doors and there is no center post. :D

Of course... doors act as center posts when closed :)

Of course... doors act as center posts when closed :)


Okay I will give you that. :rolleyes:

Here ya go, Car and Driver settled it...

http://www.redlineforums.com/forums/showthread.php?t=4048

So... pretty much, C&D determined it to be a drivers race. Both cars had the same 1/4 mile times. I still wouldn't mind finding an SS around me that would like to go have some fun.

My vote is to the best driver...

i'll take this one ;)

this thread is funny either way you look at it. aside from creature comforts, it's essentially the same car...


if ANY of you watched the tuner challenge (i've been saving them all on DVR), you'll see that the chevy team was dynoing within .5 hp of something like 192...

I absolutely hate the redline's interior. POS. Why are the gauges in the center??? They're NOT for the passenger to read.

They're NOT for the passenger to read.

that's why they're not centered towards the passenger...

I think theyd be about the same, but I like the SS

So... pretty much, C&D determined it to be a drivers race. Both cars had the same 1/4 mile times. I still wouldn't mind finding an SS around me that would like to go have some fun.

Actually, the Redline was better than the SS in most, if not all the categories, and only 1/100th of a second off the SRT ACR in the autox...

I think this is the 2nd or 3rd time I've seen the SS come up just a bit short of us... ;)

It really is a driver's race though. The only difference in the two cars is the size of the wheels. Which is enough to cost it all those tenths and hundreths in the categories they tested. Throw the Redline wheels on it and I bet it's the same.

I absolutely hate the redline's interior. POS. Why are the gauges in the center??? They're NOT for the passenger to read.Don't lump it until you try it. Many like it after driving with it for even a few minutes. The reality is, it's more than a gimmick - it works. I personally miss it when driving something else. Saturn's only real screw up in the IP was putting the TACH on the RH side instead of the left! Fortunately the COMP PACKAGE includes an RPM adjustable ladder tach/shift light, works awesome!
JMO
WopOnTour

I absolutely hate the redline's interior. POS. Why are the gauges in the center??? They're NOT for the passenger to read.

It's that way in a few other cars too... Scion has no problems selling center mounted IPs at all.

Other than that, it's the same quality, well except for our standard Recaros! ;) The carpet, panels, trim, etc... was all made at the same place...

I read somewhere that the redline is a tenth of a second faster so I voted on the redline but i'm the SS fan and I hope somehow the cobalt shows it up, maybe i'll find one to race I know there's a silver one around where I live.

I read somewhere that the redline is a tenth of a second faster so I voted on the redline but i'm the SS fan and I hope somehow the cobalt shows it up, maybe i'll find one to race I know there's a silver one around where I live.

We're driving the same car. None of the differences that people measure can be attributed to much beyond a few lbs of weight, and a few lbs in tire mass. Thats it. We shouldn't worry about showing each other up, until we're showing up everyone else. We can do nothing but help each other. Hell, we Redliners have been trying to tune this car for a couple years now. We've been through a few successes and failures. We have much info already. You guys will help our aftermarket, which is something all 4,200 of us cannot do with a Saturn. It takes a Chevy apparently.

The mags say that the Redline is a LITTLE faster in most ways, but then proceed to call it an ill concived POS. :rolleyes: Makes total sense to me.

It doesn't matter if the Redline is faster than the Cobalt... it matter if MY car is faster than YOUR car. If anything.

MY car...YOUR car. If anything.
Ditto! This thread really needs to die! LOL

not to dog the cars but car & driver makes no sense look how long it takes to go from 98-100

look at these numbers

redline

0-100 15.6
1/4 14.6@98

cobalt

0-100 15.3
1/4 14.6@99


not to start a flame war cuz i actually like the redline but come on. the best i saw a ss do at the track was horrible 15.3 at 94

There is a gear change at about 98/99mph. Car and Driver can go to hell anyway I get better times out of my car than a 'professional' driver on their staff.

By what, .02 seconds? That's pretty damn close!

hey what about the tires guys?
what is the traction rating on the RL?
is it AA? just wondering....

Well there's a good amount of misinformation in this thread and hopefully I can clear a few points up:

1.) The Cobalt weighs about 150 lbs. less than a RL. Sorry guys, it's true.
2.) The engine/trans are the same, but I'm not so sure that the PCM cals are. In my experience, the SS cars seem to rev a little faster, which is cal related and not hardware.
3.) The suspensions are DIFFERENT! There are different springs and dampers in each car. Dealership employees, feel free to acess the part numbers. You'll see that they are indeed different.
4.) The 18" OEM SS wheels are quite light, as are the RL ones. That's a wash.
5.) The SS tires are a little stickier than the Dunlops on the ION.
6.) The cars come off DIFFERENT lines. The ION is made in Spring Hill, while the Cobalt comes from Lordstown.


Whew, that clears up everything that I can think of so far.





Where are u getting the numbers for the curb weights. Every source I have checked. and all the comparisons on different dealerships websites the RL was anywhere from 80lbs to 200lbs lighter. I just wanna know where people are seeing that the Cobalt is lighter. just curious

but Spooner is right its the same car, the weight diff/wheel sizes won't make a difference. We have supported u guys, kinda look at u guys as our brothers. :( almost had a tear...sorry, but yeah If we don't win a comparison or are not in a comparison that u guys are in we are pulling for u guys. Same car and lets hope same team.

Where are u getting the numbers for the curb weights. Every source I have checked. and all the comparisons on different dealerships websites the RL was anywhere from 80lbs to 200lbs lighter. I just wanna know where people are seeing that the Cobalt is lighter. just curious
He is a GM engineer. I'm sure he got the info from a more reliable source than the mags.

Well engineers can be wrong like anyone else...
I happen to have access to the gross shipping weights from both cars as found in the 2006 ordering guides. These weights are used to calculate shipping and other "destination charges". They are considered to be the most accurate numbers available as they represent shipping weight at the time of production.
2006 Cobalt SS - 2991lbs (1357kg)
2006 ION Redline 2933lbs (1330kg)So for the record, as far as General Motors is concerned, the Redline is 58lbs lighter than the SS. I suppose if someone wants to get together with a Redline buddy at the weigh scales (with fuel tanks full) we could get a pretty good "real world" measurement- any takers??

WopOnTour

yeah oh well

Recently there has been some debate about which vehicle will be faster from the factory. The lighter weight ION Red Line, or the Cobalt SS.

What do you think?

I thought the cobalt weighed less?

2005 Chevrolet Cobalt SS Supercharged
Base price: $21,995
Engines: 2.0-liter supercharged four, 205 hp
Transmission: Five-speed manual, front-wheel drive
Length x width x height: 180.5 x 68.4 x 55.6 in
Wheelbase: 103.3 in
Curb weight: 2806 lb
EPA City/Hwy: NA
Safety equipment: Anti-lock four-wheel disc brakes (base model ABS is optional), front airbags
Major standard equipment: A/C, seven-speaker AM/FM/CD player, power windows, cruise control, power mirrors
Warranty: Three years/36,000 miles

From Kelly Blue book.

Oh no, don't bring this thread back to life, haha.

Redline13, I see you got bored like I did and decided to come browse SS.com today.

Oh no, don't bring this thread back to life, haha.

Redline13, I see you got bored like I did and decided to come browse SS.com today.This is a dumb thread. and the answer is obvious. The Cobalt SS/SC is faster because I own one and that is my opinion. Oh yeah - mine is Victory red with a sticker of flames on the side by the SS Supercharged badge, which is goood for 10 to 15 WHP, RIGHT!? LOL

so i read thru about 10 pages of posts and now im chiming in on this

i currently live in phx huge city lots of nice cars and to my amazement i havent seen one RL and i still rarely see any ss/sc ive only seen mine of course and 2 others a yellow one and a blue one but if anyone driving an RL lives in phx or somewhere remotely close and would like to line it up id be more than happy too

so i read thru about 10 pages of posts and now im chiming in on this

i currently live in phx huge city lots of nice cars and to my amazement i havent seen one RL and i still rarely see any ss/sc ive only seen mine of course and 2 others a yellow one and a blue one but if anyone driving an RL lives in phx or somewhere remotely close and would like to line it up id be more than happy too
Well I dont think many were in production. for canada I have one of 500 up here. now the US must have 10X500. but I really cant comfirm it. for 2006 production has to be way up.

anyone now these details?

well if I come up to Canada we can Run SSnipes...should be a fun race

I say it doesn't matter. The Ion RL looks like a piece of crap. Enough of a reason to get the Cobalt SS/SC when they're that close performance-wise.

Exact opposite here - I prefer the exterior of the IOL to the Cobalt, but vice versa for the interior = Cobalt of ION

...do they think we need a child safety for that? I don't like these "features" which assume the driver is a moron.

Unfortunately, there are a lot of drivers that are morons out there :(

Hey SpOOner is it ahrd to read your gauges when driven because if i was Saturn i would have keep the gauges where they belong right in front of the driver. Because when i sat in a Redline i just did not like the gauges where they were. I thought they maybe kind of hard to read them.

It's easy to get used to them - only takes a day or so. A good driver should be aware of things going on around him at all times - not just in front of him
:D

It's easy to get used to them - only takes a day or so. A good driver should be aware of things going on around him at all times - not just in front of him
:D
Didn't even take me a day. I find it is MUCH easier to see the gauges and the road at the same time. People who say you can't see them as well are to narrow minded to adapt (sorry if that applies to anyone, but seriously, learn to move your eyes)

They should be pretty well matched

It doesnt matter cuz you will all get Beat by me of course!!lol had to chime in and keep the good fight goin! :D

Recently there has been some debate about which vehicle will be faster from the factory. The lighter weight ION Red Line, or the Cobalt SS.

What do you think?

Don't they have the same motor? If so they might perform about the same.....

U guys need to let this thread die

The Car and Driver article says the Cobalt has a new close ratio tranny and should be quicker than the ion redline.


Care to share the article link ???

Care to share the article link ???

this thread is veeeerrrrry old. i don't even think whoever that is posts here anymore. scratch that he definately doesn't post her anymore. the ss and the rl have the same exact drivetrain and are close in weight. if they raced, it would be a complete driver's race. now can we please let this year old thread die.

there was a video a while back between a cobalt ss and redline at the track, the redline had one passenger who was filming but the cobalt ss walked all over it, i cant see a 200 lb or less person making the difference between dead even and beaten by 3-5 car lengths

there was a video a while back between a cobalt ss and redline at the track, the redline had one passenger who was filming but the cobalt ss walked all over it, i cant see a 200 lb or less person making the difference between dead even and beaten by 3-5 car lengths


congratulations you just proved absolutely nothing.

so basically you're ASSUMING they're the same skilled drivers.
you're ASSUMING both are completely stock.
you're ASSUMING it wasn't an 04 redline (which has been said repeatedly there are some factory slower tuned ones out there)
you're ASSUMING neither was a "factory freak"

and because of all these assumptions, therefore the Cobalt MUST be faster, all because you saw a random video.

right, good job!

dude they are the same car jk they are are very close to each other...

I didn't read any posts...so, if this is a repeat. Its ok, I play a doctor on TV...no, I mean I saved a bunch of money not getting GEICO insurance...LOL

With the gearing and tire size the SS will get to 100 in third, where as the RL needs to shift into 4th at 96. So, in the 1/4 the SS will edge out the RL.

I didn't read any posts...so, if this is a repeat. Its ok, I play a doctor on TV...no, I mean I saved a bunch of money not getting GEICO insurance...LOL

With the gearing and tire size the SS will get to 100 in third, where as the RL needs to shift into 4th at 96. So, in the 1/4 the SS will edge out the RL.


ya, the SS will consistently have a higher trap speed for that reason. However the difference between the 2 can easily be compensated with driver skill. Nothing that will is ridiculously noticeable...

ya, the SS will consistently have a higher trap speed for that reason. However the difference between the 2 can easily be compensated with driver skill. Nothing that will is ridiculously noticeable...
True, a driver wasn't part of the equation and that's not what was asked originally. I agree that a driver can make up the difference. This isn't about a driver, its about the cars. ;)

True, a driver wasn't part of the equation and that's not what was asked originally. I agree that a driver can make up the difference. This isn't about a driver, its about the cars. ;)

Lol true ;) but I would also say the SLIGHT factory difference between the 2 cars could also equate to the difference in power if you were to pick 2 random ones :D (and yes i'm just playing devil's advocate)

Lol true ;) but I would also say the SLIGHT factory difference between the 2 cars could also equate to the difference in power if you were to pick 2 random ones :D (and yes i'm just playing devil's advocate)
true, very true.

Cobalt has a tranny that has better gearing than the ion in 1st and 5th which makes it quicker.

Cobalt has a tranny that has better gearing than the ion in 1st and 5th which makes it quicker.

but the redline is lighter.

so can we please just let this thread die? it's a driver's race, the cars are equals. it's dumb to assume one car is faster than another when they are basically identical.

Cobalt has a tranny that has better gearing than the ion in 1st and 5th which makes it quicker.The trannys are IDENTICAL!!!
Wop

I can't believe that this thing is still going!

neither can i!! lol.

The question asked is which car is faster, and yet nobody (SS, or RL) can seem to find hard, assertainable fact or proof that dissolves any assumptions.

Here's what I know:

1) Both are very, very similar -- Yes, it would be a driver's race.
2) Everybody who has chimed in on this subject has an opinion one way or the other.
3) Saturn was here first, so we can assertain that the RL was R&D for the Cobalt SS/SC.
AND, 4) There are a few thousand RL's out there has tried to make their cars better. Some have had success, others have had less success.

Now, the one statement I can absolutely agree with is that some RL owners look at Cobalt SS/SC owners as little brothers. To that I'm thankful. Now can some of you "Big-Brothers" help a "little brother" tune his 06 SS/SC so that it can perform without sounding like it will fall apart (like many civics and integras)? I'm looking for quality, and can assume that it may take money. PM me.

By the way, before I (or I should say my wife) bought my Cobalt I did consider a RL. The IP being in the center, the suicide doors, and the lower roofline are the reasons why (my wife) the Cobalt was chosen. It's all about preference.

So, if any RL's (or Cobalts) come to my home you are more than welcome.

The question asked is which car is faster, and yet nobody (SS, or RL) can seem to find hard, assertainable fact or proof that dissolves any assumptions.

Here's what I know:

1) Both are very, very similar -- Yes, it would be a driver's race.
2) Everybody who has chimed in on this subject has an opinion one way or the other.
3) Saturn was here first, so we can assertain that the RL was R&D for the Cobalt SS/SC.
AND, 4) There are a few thousand RL's out there has tried to make their cars better. Some have had success, others have had less success.

Now, the one statement I can absolutely agree with is that some RL owners look at Cobalt SS/SC owners as little brothers. To that I'm thankful. Now can some of you "Big-Brothers" help a "little brother" tune his 06 SS/SC so that it can perform without sounding like it will fall apart (like many civics and integras)? I'm looking for quality, and can assume that it may take money. PM me.

By the way, before I (or I should say my wife) bought my Cobalt I did consider a RL. The IP being in the center, the suicide doors, and the lower roofline are the reasons why (my wife) the Cobalt was chosen. It's all about preference.

So, if any RL's (or Cobalts) come to my home you are more than welcome.

+100... well said!

Y Won't this topic Die. Just DIE DIE DIE...please

Recently there has been some debate about which vehicle will be faster from the factory. The lighter weight ION Red Line, or the Cobalt SS.

What do you think?
They will perform about the same unless I'm driving :D Then It will perform 10 times better. LOL

Drivers are the important "mod" here lol.

ion is lighter and has more horsepower. = faster. by how much who knows.

Having raced both cars stock I can defenietly say that the Redline is quicker! The difference is in weight. The Redline weighs some 250lbs less than the cobalt. On the track this doesnt make much of a difference though resulting in the Redline maybe being a tenth of a second quicker!

All the times ran on stock cars are extremely identical, both have people runnin low 14s to even 15's... let this damn thread DIE people!!!!

Oh look... it's zville... we banned him on the RLF's and now he heads over here... beware guys...

I thought you sold you car Zville? And bought your 900whp 350z!

Alpha beat me to it...but I'll ask, too. I guess that TT 350Z didn't work out for you? Nor the coma thing?

Being my first post on this site I will be kinda nice...but gees Z just won't go away :D

No I kept my car and bought a new 350Z and a blue Cobalt SS for the girl as a graduation present. Okay the Z doesnt have 700hp but it is making close to 500whp. It is twin turboed and intercooled and is running a 100 shot of Nitrous its a quick car but it is kinda heavy.

Ok, who has seen the movie Airplane?

Remember when the girl in the seat is freaking out and everyone on the plane is in line ready to smack her around to try to get her to shut up? :D

Not sure why, just that one scene from that particular movie came to mind. :rolleyes:

Hold on guys I just got my car out of storage. I added the flux capacitor with the sweet run flat drag radials. Oh yeah she's producing power from the 454 I replaced that lame-o 2.0 with as well. I'll just do the "time-warp" to the finish line before you even start....livin it one quarter mile at a time. w3rd y0

No I kept my car and bought a new 350Z and a blue Cobalt SS for the girl as a graduation present. Okay the Z doesnt have 700hp but it is making close to 500whp. It is twin turboed and intercooled and is running a 100 shot of Nitrous its a quick car but it is kinda heavy.

Hey Zville:

http://i6.photobucket.com/albums/y220/AnubisTensu/Star%20Wars/YoudontimpressmenOOb.jpg

and

http://lglan.net/vbdump/dan/5470_you_suck_at_life.jpg

Please go away. Noone likes your lying a$$. There have been guys that have helped you with your car over on the RL forums and your kinda saying f*$k you by pretending like your a god and better than everyone else. Go for a ride in your dads viper off a cliff.

Everything from z-ville is a big lie. He doesn't own a 350z, or an SS/SC, or even an RL. He can't do any mods because his daddies lease on the RL will be up soon, then he will cry like a little spoiled brat screaming for candy in line at the grocery store. :rolleyes: And he doesn't have a g/f because he is gay. Once again z, you need to keep on your medication.
http://i44.photobucket.com/albums/f38/watts-up/ramaliar.jpg
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Everything from z-ville is a big lie. He doesn't own a 350z, or an SS/SC, or even an RL. He can't do any mods because his daddies lease on the RL will be up soon, then he will cry like a little spoiled brat screaming for candy in line at the grocery store. :rolleyes: And he doesn't have a g/f because he is gay. Once again z, you need to keep on your medication.
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http://i44.photobucket.com/albums/f38/watts-up/405-Bullshit.gif


Holy pimp slap batman!

That is some funny stuff guys. I haven't been on the RL forums but it sounds like he ruffled some feathers out there.

No I kept my car and bought a new 350Z and a blue Cobalt SS for the girl as a graduation present. Okay the Z doesnt have 700hp but it is making close to 500whp. It is twin turboed and intercooled and is running a 100 shot of Nitrous its a quick car but it is kinda heavy.


Hey Z, did you buy that after you tried killing yourself and slipped into the coma???

Btw, you do know there's 2 sayings that will work wonderfull for you

'if at first you don't succeed, try, try again!'
or
'practice makes perfect'

keep on trying man! eventually you'll succeed!

That is safe to say. After you talk someone in off the ledge time after time after time and after quite a few people lend their time, knowledge, and expirenece to help someone just to have them lie to everyone in a effort to make friends....it gets old and is unacceptable behavior.

Oh yeah...another thing...my car is stock and most people on my board will whoop up on me. I can admit that, unlike him. But I don't talk smack to others and then NOT race anyone when I do show up in person. Either race and take your licking (bad pun I guess) or shut your head hole.

And I sure as HELL won't "ask for lengths" when talking about racing a Civic unless I see the NOS...eesh

google + zvillepimp = funny stuff


"10 inch shaved penis"

No I kept my car and bought a new 350Z and a blue Cobalt SS for the girl as a graduation present. Okay the Z doesnt have 700hp but it is making close to 500whp. It is twin turboed and intercooled and is running a 100 shot of Nitrous its a quick car but it is kinda heavy.

You bought your girl a Cobalt SS as a graduation gift? Listen Z, didn't the judge tell you once to stay away from girls 12 years younger than you?

I thought the 350Z was supercharged, by the way Zville let me tell you about my other ride. . .http://i53.photobucket.com/albums/g41/ionredline13/ride.jpg

I found Zville's ride...

http://tiglff.com/film98/duo1.jpg

I found Zville's ride...

http://tiglff.com/film98/duo1.jpg

bwahahahahahahaha. Nice! :D

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Thats one of the stickers on my rear window...

Hopefully this will help :) .

Ion Redline :

Engine : 4 cylinder, supercharged DOHC, front engine FWD
Displacement : 1,998 cc.
Valve : 16 valves, 4 valves per cylinder
Transmission : 5-spd manual
Horsepower : 200 hp @ 6450 rpm
Torque : 200 lb-ft @ 5800 rpm
Redline : 6450 rpm
Top speed : 144 mph
0-60 mph : 6.3 sec
0-Ľ mile : 15.3 sec @ 94.5 mph
60-0 braking distance : 121 ft
200 ft skidpad : 0.85 g
Curb Weight : 2960 lbs

Finish the post when I can get home :).

I'll make the Cobalt's information post when I get home.

Never know what the 'real world' test would be but the magazines have them pretty darn nip and tuck if you will. Reviews in Road and Track and C&D have the Redline .1 of a second fast in 0-60 times 1/4 mile is within a .1 of a second. For whatever it's worth. I do think the Redline has a slight advantage related to the 18" wheels, but just my opinion.

Yeah. those conditions are a huge factor when the drivers are equally skilled. But even a small driver advantage will make one car win greatly.

i think they are both slow :)

i think they are both slow :)

Ok let's have our first post be a smart ass one. :D

That's okay. He drives an Aero.

Streetfire.net The cobalt walks the redline.

So here you all are trying to compensate for your high ass egos because they are being bashed in because people are telling you all that the redline might be faster than a ss....

Just to make things on the clear side friend bought a ion redline all black and i have a sunburst orange ss/sc and we raced and it was dead even, seriously dead even no one got away from anyone or pulled on anyone it was even!!!!

So there it is, no more bitching and complaining, their both great cars i dont care if its a saturn or not, to whomever their car is, its their car no reason to bash it especially if its made by GM!!!!

Same freakin car. Give it a rest.lol.

I will put my 2 cents in my friend has a redline and i raced him in my wifes stock SS/SC and i got him by half a car 3 times u can call it driver error or whatever but the proofs in the puddin' 3-0 for the SS.

So here you all are trying to compensate for your high ass egos because they are being bashed in because people are telling you all that the redline might be faster than a ss....

Just to make things on the clear side friend bought a ion redline all black and i have a sunburst orange ss/sc and we raced and it was dead even, seriously dead even no one got away from anyone or pulled on anyone it was even!!!!

So there it is, no more bitching and complaining, their both great cars i dont care if its a saturn or not, to whomever their car is, its their car no reason to bash it especially if its made by GM!!!!



I agree wit dat 100% its all GM the TA and Camaro were the same and i have owned both but loved them all much love for the Redline

okay against a g85'd balt from a dig its the RL, only by a bit <im comped package BTW. From ANY form of a roll, TIE!

It's the same car.lol

It's the same car.lol


Holy dead thread batman! :eek:

i could of swarn the cobalt was lighter but anyways everyone who seen a race between a cobat and redline the cobalt pulls in 3 and wins in 4th today i messed aroudn with a red redline looked very clean and nice it started to play alil bit but i punched it in 3rd on the high way and than he didnt mess with me??

And I repeat!

Holy dead thread batman! :eek:

the cobalt ss will perform better

the cobalt ss will perform better


can you give solid factual evidence to support this claim? otherwise that is simply your opinion.

i think it's a tech spec, they both got the same engine and tranny made by saab, look on the oil pan. it's a battle of drivers, weight and gettin it to hook up

So I was looking around for new posts right... and I noticed... somebody's been playing Jesus and raised this thread from the dead... I don't even want to see where I posted if I even did... But I do know that it was a long ass time ago...

This might start a small fire, but in my personal experiance at the local drag strip,an 04 Redline was running his car. I noticed his personal best was 15.1 and my personal best was a 14.7. Same track, same day. When I asked him about his launching techniques, he explained very similair techniques. My vote goes to my SS versus that Redline! ;)

Driver Race ^^^^^^ if ur just talking about the cars(same years b/c I think the 06s are faster than the 04s and 05s Wether its a Cobalt or an Ion) Its the same freaking car. if anything the IRL is what 30-80lbs lighter. So everyone saying that the Cobalt is faster or the Ion is faster its all ur guys preference in cars not the Facts. I donno how this Thread is still going on.

about the same....

Ion Red Line
Estimated Performance Specs
0-60 mph 6.60 seconds
1/4 mile 15.23 seconds at 93.29 mph
Lateral acceleration .89 g
Slalom 63 mph

Cobalt ss/sc
Estimated Performance Specs
0-60 mph 6.67 seconds
1/4 mile 15.06 seconds at 97.70 mph
Lateral acceleration .88 g
Slalom 62 mph

Got this from cars.com Hope it helps.

Cobalt ss/sc 2,991 lbs
Ion red line 2,945 lbs

Cars.com Also

those are AWFUL 0-60 and quarter times for the cobalr and redline, wow.

This dead ass thread again!

Hands down the Cobalt SS. there is more torque and a good weight ratio :D

Hands down the Cobalt SS. there is more torque and a good weight ratio :D

dude... you're retarded. the cars have the same engine meaning SAME power output. also, the jury is out on which one is actually lighter, though i believe they are almost identical in weight.

Y is this Thread still alive

This thread is pointless and should be closed!

Y is this Thread still alive

because of fanboy posts like this one:

Hands down the Cobalt SS. there is more torque and a good weight ratio :D


its been said a bagillion times in this thread already, but it appears some people dont read threads before posting in them... stock for stock, its 110% a drivers race! The differences in the cars are far to minute to really make a difference... though in theory, the extra 40ish pounds and the 1" bigger wheels would hurt the cobalts performance relatively speaking... but come on guys, its less than 50 pounds, and only an inch on the wheels... its not gonna make a difference.

can we lock this thread, it makes me cranky at 6am:p

I agree lock this thing down. I have nightmares about this post reappearing. Ruins my sleep

The Cobalt Ofcourse!!! MWAH!

The Cobalt Ofcourse!!! MWAH!

well that all depends on how hot you are.

well that all depends on how hot you are.

+1

i would let a hotty in a balt beat me all day