Pretty interesting story actually. Met this kid at a gas station with a SubWRX [not sti] modded. Started domestic hating the Cobalt SS i was filling with premium. Challenged me to a drag on the highway.

We were going about 55mph when he did the [honk honk honk GO!] thing. he was PWNED when i dropped from 5th to 4th and the SC kicked up to 12lbs of boost. Got ahead of him a good 3 car lengths and blinkered over into his lane to be funny.

Anyway that wasnt the funny part. I got off at the next exit and he was PISSED! Kept saying "wtf did you mod on yours" etc.. haha, fool. He challeneged me to a drag on the straight behind the movie theater here.

He got me in first gear [he had a better launch] then as soon as i pounded second, he was reading lights.

Just thought id share a war story. any others?

Pretty interesting story actually. Met this kid at a gas station with a SubWRX [not sti] modded. Started domestic hating the Cobalt SS i was filling with premium. Challenged me to a drag on the highway.

We were going about 55mph when he did the [honk honk honk GO!] thing. he was PWNED when i dropped from 5th to 4th and the SC kicked up to 12lbs of boost. Got ahead of him a good 3 car lengths and blinkered over into his lane to be funny.

Anyway that wasnt the funny part. I got off at the next exit and he was PISSED! Kept saying "wtf did you mod on yours" etc.. haha, fool. He challeneged me to a drag on the straight behind the movie theater here.

He got me in first gear [he had a better launch] then as soon as i pounded second, he was reading lights.

Just thought id share a war story. any others?


sorry but i gotta call the bs flag. u droped it into 4th at 55 mph???

I believe it.

Light tires/Short shifter/and an intake aren't goinn to blast anyone out of the water. I know he never said what was the mods on the WRX, but being modded doesn't have to be all out or for you Supra guys BPU+++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ +'ed.

The WRX is rocket in 1st/2nd gear after that it sort of falls on its face.

I need to test drive ona' these little SS's.

sorry but i gotta call the bs flag. u droped it into 4th at 55 mph???

Yeah, what's the gearing like in the SS's. I know the SRT and the SS isn't the same car, but they're rather close. 55mph is at the top end of second on my car. I could see dropping into 4th and still winning ( ;) ), but third gear hurts feelings.

-Jack

Someone said the SS will nearly touch 70 in second gear but that it was very near the redline to do so! Prolly shoulda dropped it in 3rd, then you'da really wasted him!!!!!! :D

man these lil things move. i can't wait to race one in my turbo dsm. mayb i will race my bro in law when he gets his next month.

So nobody has thrown up the gearing ratios anywhere on site yet?

Lemme go see if I can find them, if I can I'll post em here.

you can throw up the bs flag and believe what u want, doesnt change that it happened. Next your going to tell me that i didnt kill a Eclipse with a stock turbo.

Fact is that these cars are quick. Ask your local driver if you dont have one yourself, im sure he would be happy to show you.

Transmission Type - SS Supercharged- specific five-speed manual with overdrive
RPO - MM5

Gear ratios
First gear 4.05
Second gear 2.02
Third gear 1.35
Fourth gear 0.98
Fifth gear 0.69
Reverse 3.31
Final drive ratios 3.94
Case material - aluminum

I wasn't beating it up by slamming it into 3rd cause i didnt want the gear layback when you downshift to far. That and I still baby it :)

I believe it, the fastest i've heard so far with an SS is mid 13's with an intake and slicks

Well i would belive it because WRX's are not know to be fast top wise just that 0-60 is nuts for a WRX you got to take in the fact that a AWD car will lose ALOT of power in the differentails(spelling :confused: sorry) but any way that is one factor the SS's has not to worry about. :)

I would have to see it to believe it! The fastest I've seen a WRX was 10.2 in the 1/4 mile!!!

good kill.

at 55 why didnt you shift into second?...

was cruzing on the highway in 5th, i could have dropped it into 3rd and not 4th, but i wouldnt try second. If i would have gotten it to 3rd insted of 4th he probably wouldnt have wanted to race me again from a stop. :)

do what i do to ignorant people tell him "There must be something wrong with your car cause I usually get crushed by those" Picture him at the dealership telling them he got beat by a cobalt and the dealership trying to figure out what's wrong.lol.

I would have to see it to believe it! The fastest I've seen a WRX was 10.2 in the 1/4 mile!!!
Yeah and the fastest I've seen a stock bodied LS1 f-body and fox body mustang was high 7's. Whats your point??

the WRX was on the stock turbo... they are know to fall on their face after a certain rpms. but when the snails are swapped its another story...

and save that awd and no top end story... i know a few AWD cars they have some very nice top end

Yeah and the fastest I've seen a stock bodied LS1 f-body and fox body mustang was high 7's. Whats your point??


Post number 11

Ahh gotcha. Sorry :(

heres one awd top end.. with 4 people in the car....

http://videos.streetfire.net/Player.aspx?fileid=B0B23ECB-EEC8-45B0-BA66-9D752A2E21E8

But that is a EVO not a WRX and that EVO is highly modded.
And a EVO is just like the STI "basicly" they are in the same group they do have a higher top end.

sti/evo's get bagged on for no top end.. but the wrx has no top end because of the small snail..not because of the loss of power through the diff... this is the point i was trying to make.

sti/evo's get bagged on for no top end.. but the wrx has no top end because of the small snail..not because of the loss of power through the diff... this is the point i was trying to make.

Yes i under stand but i was just saying that there is a loss of power in the diff's and that will have and affect that WRX's do not have all the power that is clamed the power that is lost make's the SS on level plaing levels because the SS is putting down some impressive #'s. That is all i was saying nothing more or nothing less. No hard fellings. :)

well yes the WRX does put down low #'s on the dyno stock (depending on which dyno is used) because it has 3 cats remove em and dyno the car again and you have a totally different outcome just as if you remove the cat from any FI car.

but if you go by price, aftermarket support, which engine has been around longer, which is battle proven (wrc). the WRX is a good car.


this is not a flame i just like discussing cars :D
lets do it like this

SRT-4:MSRP $21,295
WRX:MSRP: $25,045
COBALT SS:MSRP:$21,995
(got all the prices from the company website)

SRT-4: been around for 2 years, great aftermarket support and seems to be getting stronger and faster every year. have a few that has already touched mid 13's with little to no money spent

WRX:been around since 1992, WRC champion and and one of the most wanted cars before it hit the US shores in 2002. can be made fast and has a very stong aftermarket support. can hit 12s under 2k dollars and the motor is strong

Cobalt SS: new car, first year production can be a very capable car in the right hands. most owners are eager to make it faster but the car is in its "break-in year", where chevy puts it out nad find out the "faults" and corrects them the next time. aftermarket support is starting to grow but is limited.. has the potential to run low 13's with the right modifications.


Now i am a car enthusiast import or domestic, every car has potential in some shape or form. but as it stands now till the aftermarket get as strong for the SS it is still in its growing phase. lets just hope it doesn't get the negative image that the SRT 4 's get because some of its owners think its the fastest thing out (nothing against SRT4 owners i have met and are friends with a lot of kool ones).

i will say this guys.. don't give up.. you gotta give the companies time to design parts for the car.the car has a LOT of potential its just gotta be bought out.

i dont doubt u smokin a stock wr-x...my friend has one and i finally broke in my ss last weekend and we raced from a dead stop 4 or 5 times. I beat him every single time, and honestly i thought i was gonna get smoked. even with his awd i caught a similar launch and he would never catch up...otherwise i would be atleast a half a car up at the end of 2nd...but an sti on the other hand would man handle a stock cobalt ss

I don't buy that it. I know that a Wrx is not as hot as an Sti, but if it was modded I doubt highly that a ss would haved smoked it. Also, I don't buy the stuff about how he got off the line faster and by second it was pulling him in, maybe by third, but that suby is going to get a way big jump off the line. I'll believe stories like this when i see some Cobals SSs at the local track running times that would support that. I'm not bashing anyone though, I like the looks of the Cobalt SS. I am a bigger SRT-4 fan though, neon fan before the SRT-4.

First things first "Roll Racing" as some like to call it is frikin gay, honk honk honk GO! Give me a f'n break man, if you want to race someone or someone wants to race you do it the way it was meant to be done from a dead stop. WRXs a neat cars but im not impressed at how they launch being an AWD car and all. I raced my buddy jimmys WRX and when I launched i spun through 1st, 2nd, and churped 3rd and still left him off the line. Of course now he has an STI and I wont even attempt to race him because he will crush me, lets put it like this I rode with him in his STI and its FAST! We where doing 140mph in 5th gear at bout 4500-5500 rpms with a whole nother gear to go.

WTF is everyone talking about!!!???

If this truly happened, I don't understand why you wouldn't get in ATLEAST 3rd gear!:confused::rolleyes:

227hp from WRX minus ABOUT 20% drivetrain loss from AWD = 181whp from a 3000lbs-ish car

205whp from 3000lbs-ish Cobalt SS after ABOUT 15-16% drivetrain loss from FWD = WIN

As far as going into 4th instead of 3rd, very skeptical about that one, but hey, you won, so screw it.

End of discussion. Yes, AWD owns from a dig, but from a roll it CAN be a different story.

-ALBeRt:cool:

WTF is everyone talking about!!!???

If this truly happened, I don't understand why you wouldn't get in ATLEAST 3rd gear!:confused::rolleyes:

227hp from WRX minus ABOUT 20% drivetrain loss from AWD = 181whp from a 3000lbs-ish car

205whp from 3000lbs-ish Cobalt SS after ABOUT 15-16% drivetrain loss from FWD = WIN

As far as going into 4th instead of 3rd, very skeptical about that one, but hey, you won, so screw it.

End of discussion. Yes, AWD owns from a dig, but from a roll it CAN be a different story.

-ALBeRt:cool:


and the biggest part about all this.. like i always say is DRIVER SKILL....

and don't believe the AWD from a roll myth either.... 1 mod changes that pretty quick.

and the biggest part about all this.. like i always say is DRIVER SKILL....

and don't believe the AWD from a roll myth either.... 1 mod changes that pretty quick.so does ONE driver mistake

as for "myth" ... there is NO myth!!! 20% drivetrain loss occurs regardless of hp #'s!!!!!

but when comparing 227hp with AWD, the WHEEL hp # is around 181!!!!

The Cobalt has 205WHP... do the math!!!.... 205 is GREATER than 181 ...

I did not speak of any MYTH, simply the truth.

guess i have to break this down in simple terms:

1.when i was refering to the myth... i was saying the one about a awd car being slow from a roll. i know a lot that are not. yes a STOCK WRX IS SLOW FROM A ROLL..but that can be changed.

2.all dyno's don't read the same you can take a car that made X hp on one dyno amd put in on another one and it make either less or more. with that said the 205 & 180 WHP you speak of came off what type of dyno? Im pretty sure every dyno didn't read the same for both cars.

guess i have to break this down in simple terms:

1.when i was refering to the myth... i was saying the one about a awd car being slow from a roll. i know a lot that are not. yes a STOCK WRX IS SLOW FROM A ROLL..but that can be changed.

2.all dyno's don't read the same you can take a car that made X hp on one dyno amd put in on another one and it make either less or more. with that said the 205 & 180 WHP you speak of came off what type of dyno? Im pretty sure every dyno didn't read the same for both cars.OK.

There is NO "myth" that says all AWD cars are slow from a roll. There IS a "fact" however that AWD cars do not continue to pull as hard up top as they do from a dig. This is NOT saying ALL AWD cars do not pull hard up top, so DON'T try to twist my words, read them right the first time. Yes, it can be changed... but like I said before: 20% hp loss due to the AWD drivetrain occurs REGARDLESS of horsepower.

Taken from http://www.wrxtuners.com/specs/ , the WRX has 227hp. The AWD drivetrain AVERAGES anywhere from 18%-21% of hp loss. This brings 227hp combined with AWD to ABOUT 180-185-ish WHP. The Cobalt SS STILL has 205whp (check out the Redline forums for stock dynos if you want).

Here's MY example:

300hp FWD > 300hp RWD > 300hp AWD above 60mph (such as a ROLL race)

It is completely reversed when talking about a DIG ( 0-60 race ) !

I'am sure there SOMEONE out there that understand me.

well im glad you got that str8end out.....i knew this already.. i really just wanted to see where you sourced your info from.. i see atleast you don't quote inaccurate plots and believe everything you read. i wasn't trying to twist any words i just quoted what was said. with that said.... hopefully we can put this BS behind and call it done. we both got our points accross.

ps heres some top end for you


http://thumbs.streetfire.net/ECF76C9C-B70A-4C19-82E2-F935BDEAD8A1.jpg (http://videos.streetfire.net/Player.aspx?fileid=ECF76C9C-B70A-4C19-82E2-F935BDEAD8A1)

Click here to see Video (http://videos.streetfire.net/Player.aspx?fileid=ECF76C9C-B70A-4C19-82E2-F935BDEAD8A1)

and heres no top end...

http://thumbs.streetfire.net/96BC8D81-7E6A-4D29-92F2-2D577DB18BE5.jpg (http://videos.streetfire.net/Player.aspx?fileid=96BC8D81-7E6A-4D29-92F2-2D577DB18BE5)

Click here to see Video (http://videos.streetfire.net/Player.aspx?fileid=96BC8D81-7E6A-4D29-92F2-2D577DB18BE5)

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That's definately a very respectable post. No hurt, no foul.:D

Like you said, both our points were made.... LOL, those are some nice vids!!! Especially the 600+whp Evo and Cobras.

On SCR, we give rep points. If we had them here, you'd get one.:)

-ALBeRt

kool man... and whats even better about it we actually didn't use one curse word or be-little each other... you get mad respect from me too man. http://www.cobaltss.com/forums/images/icons/icon14.gif

kool man... and whats even better about it we actually didn't use one curse word or be-little each other... you get mad respect from me too man. http://www.cobaltss.com/forums/images/icons/icon14.gif:D:D:D Dope.

If you were within arm's reach, I'd pass some of the Hookah you see me smokin' in my avatar, lol. Serisously though, I didn't notice the curse-free debate we had. LOL. I'am so used to it already, it sucks.

:cool:...:)

http://srvidz.vidiac.com/Player.aspx?fileid=1BF870F3-B471-479B-8E5F-8BCF61D2EB57
Watch this video so no one forgets who da' boss!
Concentrate on the last car in the videos tail lights getting smaller and smaller :D

that camaro...:eek:... wow

I want that camaro!

Ive seen cars that would put that camaro to shame though...:)

One thing everyone needs to understand is...

there's ALWAYS someone faster;)

lets not beat a dead horse here with this race... lets see a trailored car vs a daily driven car.... doesn't take a lot of sense to figure that one out... and it needed 413 cc and nitrous to get away from a turboed 4... i don't see how that make it the boss...


its like bringing out a nuke for a anthill...

oh and ps.. you take a good look at the vid... the camaro doesn't even have tailights on when its racing

lets not beat a dead horse here with this race... lets see a trailored car vs a daily driven car.... doesn't take a lot of sense to figure that one out... and it needed 413 cc and nitrous to get away from a turboed 4... i don't see how that make it the boss...


its like bringing out a nuke for a anthill...

oh and ps.. you take a good look at the vid... the camaro doesn't even have tailights on when its racingEXACTLY.

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Whats with hating on chevy and being a smartass dude? I didnt make a post saying that all the cars where pump gas street legal cars, I dont need someone to point that out for me. I have been around fast cars my whole life, why talk to me as if I am just some random idiot. You want to start talking pump gas RWD chevys vs pump gas AWD EVOs and Subarus then we can do that.

Whats with hating on chevy and being a smartass dude? I didnt make a post saying that all the cars where pump gas street legal cars, I dont need someone to point that out for me. I have been around fast cars my whole life, why talk to me as if I am just some random idiot. You want to start talking pump gas RWD chevys vs pump gas AWD EVOs and Subarus then we can do that.Please, no.

Not trying to argue but why try talking down to someone, like I cant tell the difference between a Camaro with Juice and a Fast a$$ EVO. I didnt realize I would have to meet someones guide lines when I posted the video, I just thought I would post it because its a good video clip. I dont need someone picking it apart and breaking it down crayon style like I dont understand the difference between throttle and bottle.

Well, you DID say " Watch this video so no one forgets who da' boss!"

No one is trying to argue with you, but simply stated that the car you were talking about was not a street car. That's all.

Yeah I said that because the Camaro owned that EVO, wether its a street car or not. I dont see why that is soo hard to understand, a good race is a good race no matter where it take place or what cars are involved or what types of Mods they have. If the EVO was spraying and had won then it would all of the sudden be cool though wouldnt it? Its like the saying goes "To each his own" I am done with this conversation.

Yeah I said that because the Camaro owned that EVO, wether its a street car or not. I dont see why that is soo hard to understand, a good race is a good race no matter where it take place or what cars are involved or what types of Mods they have. If the EVO was spraying and had won then it would all of the sudden be cool though wouldnt it? Its like the saying goes "To each his own" I am done with this conversation.Actually, for us 'true' enthusiasts, no. As to why you're getting all mad over something so small, ON THE INTERNET, I don't know. You simply started the fire by saying "who's boss."

OK well I apologize then, I am just an a-hole with an opinion. Mainly because I like to defend chevy, growing up with chevy in my blood is a big factor. I guess I just dont understand why people pick other peoples posts apart. So sorry starting a FIRE.

No need to apologize.:)

We're all friends here!:D

But you cant really say that that EVO was streetable either now can you? Just cause its a 4 cylinder doesnt mean it would be any more streetable than that Camaro was (but bein a 412ci I would be willin to bet it was LOL :D ). I mean think about it the EVOs are only rated at 19/26 MPG!!!!! That actually REALLY SUCKS for any four cylinder! I have seen LS1's have better gas mileage than that! And stock for stock I believe an LS1 vehicle would own an EVO in a drag, maybe not an 1/8 but from the 1/4 on its over! Now think about that EVO pushin 30+ psi! Considerin all of the mods he SHOULD have to back that, fuel supply mainly (not to mention that stroker kit) Yeah I bet he's gettin all of 14 FEET to the gallon (obviously a lil sarcastic there but you get my point!) Like I have said before Im not hatin on the EVO's I love em (although Im a hardcore Camaro fan). I was just sayin that I dont believe ANY of those vehicles in those video's would be entirely streetable. But then again the Cobalt SS's arent gettin that great of mileage either, decent but not great. Im done rambling. Sorry so long just my $0.02.
Chris

You have a point.

Now can we please stop before this gets out of hand, LOL?

Yeah my bad, I tried to stay out bein that Im not on any real side of any argument but I couldnt help it. LOL sorry. Leave it to a post whore doofus. :rolleyes: So whats the weather like in your town? LOL!

Well as far as the government is concerned none of those cars are street legal, but Motor Vehicle doesnt know nore do they care as long as they pass inspection. Thats the most beautiful part of cars today, if you have the right computer you can program your car to do anything including pass inspection. For instance my dads friend Bob Armstrong races GN's and he also takes them through inspection so they are street legal. He just tunes the car with his 2grand built in computer so he can pass, the car runs like crap when going throug inspection but then he just tunes it back the way he wants it once he goes through. His GN is in the low 9's and is driven on the street every once in awhile just for fun sake.

LOL, the weather's great over here:D

Cali weather OWNZ JOO!!!

Its raining here :( oh well I guess we need it the grass is starting to die. :D

His GN is in the low 9's and is driven on the street every once in awhile just for fun sake.That, and the fact that he'll get pulled over w/o going no more than 3 blocks!!! Cops ain't stupid!!! They'll know what's up!

GN's are so cool, they make the weirdiest noise in burnout competitions, I got some video footage of some GN action at Cecil County Drag strip from last weekend. Maybe I will post it up on tremek.com sometime this week along with Monte Carlos I taped.

that weird noise is the turbo spooling up... i used to own one of those when i was in high school. 3.6 ltr t3 turbocharged, man i miss that car....

There was one around here for sale for really cheap awhile back, it was like $3,500 I wish I would have bought it. The paint was all faded and the interior was trashed but it still would have been worth it. There a few pretty fast ones around here, I have cruised around down in Ocean City with a few of them along with some T-type regals and SuperCharged montes. Good times.

GN's are so cool, they make the weirdiest noise in burnout competitions, I got some video footage of some GN action at Cecil County Drag strip from last weekend. Maybe I will post it up on tremek.com sometime this week along with Monte Carlos I taped.

A guy here at work has one. I think it is in Mint Condition too!

A guy here at work has one. I think it is in Mint Condition too!

Same here, another co-worker has one. He runs 11.40's consistently :eek: I guess it is some special T-type model though.

Ah, the T-type regal, a very fast car indeed, my dads buddy bob armstrongs car runs low 9's consistantly, its fast as sh*t!

that weird noise is the turbo spooling up... i used to own one of those when i was in high school. 3.6 ltr t3 turbocharged, man i miss that car....
Correction, its a 3.8 ;)
And that weird noise could have been compressor surge from not having a blow off/bypass valve, which is what happens when you build boost and then close the throttle instantly, and the boost has no place to go other than backwards towards the turbo. Makes the turbo make some pretty goofy noises that you probably have never heard before :confused:

...And stock for stock I believe an LS1 vehicle would own an EVO in a drag...
Chris
understatement of the day, congrats you get a cookie


edit:those gnxs/ect are no joke, they were rated at 270 hp, someting like that
stock those cars where mid to low 12s, 270 hp my ass, real output was more like 400

Oh my god people, GN/GNX's are not THAT fast stock!!! The GNX could pull a mid 13 dead bone stock, and hit 12's with ease. But the regular GN could only do anywhere from low to high 14's stock, but run 13's with ease and 12's with just a tad more work. Im pretty sure the GN was rated at 240hp/320lb-ft and the GNX was 300hp/380lb-ft or somewhere around there. They are absolute torque monsters thats for sure. Yeah they can be quick with a few mods, but alot of people really overestimate them sometimes. Low to mid 12's is a bit of a stretch for any stock turbo Buick.

I can believe this story with the SS v. the WRX.
I just had my 1st run in with an STi last week. I was in 2nd and he rolls up beside me sits there for just a sec then I hear him punch it, I floor it almost instantly with him and he never gained an inch that I know of, after I hit 3rd I jsut started pulling. I hit 85 let off and then the notorious flyby. I'm not stock either but not very modded either. Not sure about him cause he wouldn't stop to talk.

STi's only trap in the very low 100's stock. Buddy of mine has one and he ran a 13.2@103 or something like that. Like the EVO's theyre not THAT great from a roll until theyve been played around with a good bit. Losing 33% of your power to your drivetrain tends to hurt your top end :p

Who cares about top end, STI's/EVO's are nearly untouchable streetlight to streetlight!

Who cares about top end, STI's/EVO's are nearly untouchable streetlight to streetlight!

after I hit 3rd I just started pulling. I hit 85 let off and then the notorious flyby.

Hence, why I spoke of the top end. I hate to break it to you, but not ALL races are from a stop light :rolleyes:

From a roll mines not bad at all, the WRX does have some proble's because it doesn't have that much TQ/HP but the STI is a different beast :D

I believe it, the fastest i've heard so far with an SS is mid 13's with an intake and slicks

I have to se this one. GM has these times around 14.5 and you are saying tires and an intake drops the time by almost a second?

Almost a second, yes. I doubt the 14.5 that GM is rating them at was with a 1.7 or lower 60' time, probably more like a 2.2 which is about right for the average amatuer racer. So you figure thats .5 off of the 60' if not more, which equals roughly one whole second off of the 1/4 time. Not to mention that they trap at almost 100mph, which is easily good for a mid 13 second timeslip.

I want to see that timeslip. The best time I've seen with a timeslip on a Redline is 14.3 with an intake. I doubt highly that tires would account for .8 second difference. Sure there is driver skill involved, but not that much. Numbers are just talk without proof.

A high 13 second pass would be very likely with slicks. I would hate to think what would happen to those pencil thin halfshafts after a couple of passes on slicks. That looks like a fairly weak point on this car! And to BR RL, slicks can make a huge differance on how you launch the car, keeping closer to the beefer part of the powerband, which help your times in itself.

I have a friend with an SRT that runs 13.6 on street tires and 13.4 on slicks. Same driver and all. I know slicks will pull times down with the increased traction, but not as much as a whole second.

If he only brought his time down .2, then he was doing something wrong, or just babying it out of the whole. The whole point of slicks is to bring your ET down drastically, not by .2

^^That's what I think, he was probably driving like he still had streettires.

Depends on the tires though. Some get better grip than others. Still, I highly doubt tires would drop the time on a car by a whole second.

I watched a Ford Focus 4 door sedan that was running 16 flat on street tires. When he changed to slicks, he started netting consistent 15.1's. The right slicks and proper launching with the slicks can very well get you nearly a second off your times. What was your boy dropping the clutch at? If he was being shy, I can see why he only gained 2 tenths! The 2 tenths might have been gained by elimanating the wheelspin that is made at the top of the powerband in first gear. By the why, slicks are not good on the halfshafts of a fwd car. Tell him to be careful, the shafts are like toothpicks on my SS. As extreme as I'll get is finding a nice pair of drag radials. I doubt that any are made yet to fit the 18" rims, I could be wrong though.

The tires went onto a stage-2 SRT. I am looking into buying a set of slicks for my RL in the near future but first is the W/A and then smaller pulley on the s/c. With all the wheel spin in these cars I think that slicks would help, but I am skeptical about a whole second. I'd take it in a heartbeat, though.

Spending 300 for a good pair of slicks or DR's is one of the best performance "parts" you could buy. They dont give you hp/tq, but they let you use all of what youre making at the time. As I said before, if youre currently cutting a 2.2x 60' time and you can reduce all wheelspin on the launch and cut a 1.7x 60', and cut wheelspin at the 1-2 shift, you should see probably anywhere from .8 to 1.2 off of your ET. For every tenth off the 60' you get .2 off in ET. Its not an exact science, but the numbers that thousands of other have got including myself dont lie ;)

STi's only trap in the very low 100's stock. Buddy of mine has one and he ran a 13.2@103 or something like that. Like the EVO's theyre not THAT great from a roll until theyve been played around with a good bit. Losing 33% of your power to your drivetrain tends to hurt your top end :p

The 18% (not 33) drivetrain loss is always there, not just at higher speeds, the reason the Sti and wrx have such a terrible top end are because of there undersized turbo's they just cant keep up at higher speed's.

LOL awd guys could only wish for 18% drivetrain loss!!! Its more around 30% in the STi, EVO, DSM's because of all that extra running gear. 33% might have been a bit high, but I have seen a loss around there before.

300hp is 300hp, small turbo or not. If you could disconnect the front or rear drivetrain on an STi it would run alot better at highway speeds. I've seen a stock SRT4 race an STi on the highway, and the STi barely crept away from it. If the STi wasnt losing roughly 90hp to its drivetrain, I think the outcome may have been a weeee bit different ;)

LOL awd guys could only wish for 18% drivetrain loss!!! Its more around 30% in the STi, EVO, DSM's because of all that extra running gear. 33% might have been a bit high, but I have seen a loss around there before.

300hp is 300hp, small turbo or not. If you could disconnect the front or rear drivetrain on an STi it would run alot better at highway speeds. I've seen a stock SRT4 race an STi on the highway, and the STi barely crept away from it. If the STi wasnt losing roughly 90hp to its drivetrain, I think the outcome may have been a weeee bit different ;)


So does the DCCD on the STI help this loss?

...... the reason the Sti and wrx have such a terrible top end are because of there undersized turbo's they just cant keep up at higher speed's.
Not to mention, even more so, the not-so-good flowing heads.

its amazing how much people hate awd cars.... doesn't bother me a bit.. .they still end up in the rearview..and stay there....

LOL awd guys could only wish for 18% drivetrain loss!!! Its more around 30% in the STi, EVO, DSM's because of all that extra running gear. 33% might have been a bit high, but I have seen a loss around there before.

300hp is 300hp, small turbo or not. If you could disconnect the front or rear drivetrain on an STi it would run alot better at highway speeds. I've seen a stock SRT4 race an STi on the highway, and the STi barely crept away from it. If the STi wasnt losing roughly 90hp to its drivetrain, I think the outcome may have been a weeee bit different ;)

30% would throw a stock STi at around 210 awhp most stock STi's dyno around 230, 240 or around 20, 22% powertrain loss. While your correct that making the car rwd would be faster on the highway, it still stands that we loose 20 to 22% ALL THE TIME not just at freeway speeds. The stock turbo just cannot keep up with the engine I boost about 18 PSI around 4200 rpms but as it rises the boost droops to about 16, 16.5. A simple turbo upgrade (and supporting mods) will get the car to have the same down low grunt with trap speeds of 110+

30% would throw a stock STi at around 210 awhp most stock STi's dyno around 230, 240 or around 20, 22% powertrain loss. While your correct that making the car rwd would be faster on the highway, it still stands that we loose 20 to 22% ALL THE TIME not just at freeway speeds. The stock turbo just cannot keep up with the engine I boost about 18 PSI around 4200 rpms but as it rises the boost droops to about 16, 16.5. A simple turbo upgrade (and supporting mods) will get the car to have the same down low grunt with trap speeds of 110+

It's funny, because the wrx is the same way. They put just barely a big enough turbo on it to fit the engine. But not everyone mods their stuff, so quick spool and low/mid power is the key as far as sales is concerned.

It's funny, because the wrx is the same way. They put just barely a big enough turbo on it to fit the engine. But not everyone mods their stuff, so quick spool and low/mid power is the key as far as sales is concerned.

Thats true. I love the stock turbo on my car in terms of the low end torque and the incredible spool time.

It's funny, because the wrx is the same way. They put just barely a big enough turbo on it to fit the engine. But not everyone mods their stuff, so quick spool and low/mid power is the key as far as sales is concerned.

I know it, but Ive seen the fpgreen throw down big numbers with about the same or better response time

I know it, but Ive seen the fpgreen throw down big numbers with about the same or better response time

Maybe on a Crawford 2.8. :D Seriously though, I'm not sure how soon the stock Sti spools on the vf39, but I think even with the 2.5's the green doesn't come on until mid to high 3k rpms. The difference in lag on the 2.0 stock turbo and the green (or any of the larger turbos) is crazy....you don't even feel lag really on the stocker.


Thats true. I love the stock turbo on my car in terms of the low end torque and the incredible spool time.
That's some nice grunt you have there!

Blah, I was thinking the 20g for response time.... But I dont really feal the boost untill lower/mid 3K mark

That's really cool. That's what I'm using, but it's the TD05. It's a good turbo, but(I wish) it could spool a little sooner on smaller displacement.

I just got my cobalt in May, and already I've beatin Nissan Sentra SE-R Spec V with an intake, Modded Toyota Matrix, Honda Civic Si with an H22 and some upgrades, my friends civic which wasn't hard, my brothers Volkswagen Jetta GLI, and a modded Acura RSX Type-S.

I almost raced my friends WRX but he kinda messed it up racing so I lost that chance, maybe another day and I'll back up that guys story easily!

Somebody tried to mod a Matrix? Sad.

Somebody tried to mod a Matrix? Sad.

Not much different than modding a Celica... weighs a little more... people mod everything... who hasn't seen the clip of the twin-turbo Astrovan. Laugh your ass off at it, till it runs that 11 sec 1/4 mile...

I just got my cobalt in May, and already I've beatin Nissan Sentra SE-R Spec V with an intake, Modded Toyota Matrix, Honda Civic Si with an H22 and some upgrades, my friends civic which wasn't hard, my brothers Volkswagen Jetta GLI, and a modded Acura RSX Type-S.

I almost raced my friends WRX but he kinda messed it up racing so I lost that chance, maybe another day and I'll back up that guys story easily!

I've raced a few WRX's... only one was a line up and go... pulled on him from the middle of second through part of 3rd before shutdown. The launch well, but start to fade at high rpms. We're talking stock for stock here...

The first time, I had some guy riding my ass hard. Both stopped at the same light, but he was behind me. Revved at me a few times, from behind! Must have thought... hmmm... Saturn... easy kill... Yea, well... Took of a little hard and he was still all over me, so I just dropped it as he went to the left lane and away we went. He stayed just about 1/2 car back the whole time. Got to the light and he was VERY cool. Asked what I was driving, what kinda mods it has.... Shoulda seen his face when I said it was a stock Saturn Ion. Told me that he's NEVER had to chase a Saturn before, usually passses them like they're standing still.

227 hp + AWD on a stock WRX is not alot of hp at the wheels... look at the C&D test... ;)

Blah, I was thinking the 20g for response time.... But I dont really feal the boost untill lower/mid 3K mark


The FPgreen is a 50trim/tdo6h combo. Pretty much a 50trim compressor with a tdo6h (20G I used to have on my GS-T) turbine.

They are almost exactly the same in spool with the FPGreen making much more power than a standard 20G (tdo5h).

You guys are crazy Theer is no in hell that that pos coblat ss can outran a modded wrx. My friends tc can kill that slow thing. That guy musr have had a automatic tranny. My car is a lot slower than a wrx. And I can kill the cobalt. Plus that guy was stupid our cars or built to run from a standing point. Not meant to be ran after 55 most of them have no top end. It just falls off

You guys are crazy Theer is no in hell that that pos coblat ss can outran a modded wrx. My friends tc can kill that slow thing. That guy musr have had a automatic tranny. My car is a lot slower than a wrx. And I can kill the cobalt. Plus that guy was stupid our cars or built to run from a standing point. Not meant to be ran after 55 most of them have no top end. It just falls off

Wow... you should probably stop while you're ahead... the WRX is slower than the Cobalt in almost every way. My Ion trounced the hell out of it on anything other than a standing start. Do some research. The WRX has a slower everything that the Ion or Cobalt SS. It's just a little easier to launch something with AWD vs. FWD when the drivers are not that exp.

Wow... you should probably stop while you're ahead... the WRX is slower than the Cobalt in almost every way. My Ion trounced the hell out of it on anything other than a standing start. Do some research. The WRX has a slower everything that the Ion or Cobalt SS. It's just a little easier to launch something with AWD vs. FWD when the drivers are not that exp.


I think it a drives race!! Know need to research it, go to a track and race one. My 02' WRX wagon ran 14.3 in the 1/4, know Ion or SS can do that stock :D

I think it a drives race!! Know need to research it, go to a track and race one. My 02' WRX wagon ran 14.3 in the 1/4, know Ion or SS can do that stock :D

I don't run the 1/4... I have at least one in my class for tomorrow's road course though...

I don't run the 1/4... I have at least one in my class for tomorrow's road course though...


I'm not sure how good the Ion and the SS are in a road course, but up here at Miller Park WRX's are pretty fast(haven't seen a Ion or SS up here). At the last one I went to a nicely modded WRX beat an EVO by over 2 second and the EVO was highly modded!