The first thing I noticed on this site was how many srt people are on here. i see they are just BEGGING for a nemesis lol. srt-4 is alone right now as far as domestic 4 banger competition. So when a new FI car comes in..here come the neon guys like sharks! i just thought I'd mention this. It's fun to watch. Since us Ford guys are in the dark right now, i think I'll just chill and watch you Dodge and Chevy guys go at it.

I think the reason behind all the SRT-4 guys is the fact that ekool runs SRTforums and he brought a lot of people over here with him. I personally found the cobalt link on the SRT forums, and since I love the car and might have one in the family soon, here I am. I in no way want to have a mini war with the Cobalts, I love the fact that Chevy is finally stepping up.

Like Pablo mentioned, ekool runs these forums(in which i think are about the best once ppl flock to them), Cobaltss.com, redlineforums.com and several others. They all have that At home feeling.

There are other Cobalt forums out there but I can't stand Phbb forums and such. Plus ekool runs open forums with the exception of a few rule sets.

Just common sense.

Welcome to the forums.

I think the reason behind all the SRT-4 guys is the fact that ekool runs SRTforums and he brought a lot of people over here with him. I personally found the cobalt link on the SRT forums, and since I love the car and might have one in the family soon, here I am. I in no way want to have a mini war with the Cobalts, I love the fact that Chevy is finally stepping up.
Unfortunately there's some people who are hoighty-toighty over their SRT, which, as far as I'm concerned, is really lame.

I have a friend who just adores the SRT-4. I say anything about liking a car better than it, he just starts talking about how much faster the SRT is, or something else. I mean damn, I don't care if you'll beat me down the strip. It really doesn't matter, in the grand scheme of things.

(note: SRT can easily be replaced with any other car. Point is: fanboiz suck)

Unfortunately there's some people who are hoighty-toighty over their SRT, which, as far as I'm concerned, is really lame.

I have a friend who just adores the SRT-4. I say anything about liking a car better than it, he just starts talking about how much faster the SRT is, or something else. I mean damn, I don't care if you'll beat me down the strip. It really doesn't matter, in the grand scheme of things.

(note: SRT can easily be replaced with any other car. Point is: fanboiz suck)
Well I can back you up there to a certain extent. I have been around cars for a long time. Today is hard to really find the true car enthusiasts because with every new car out there are always cliks or groups that like just that one vehicle.

Take the SRT-4 for instance, there are your true enthusiasts and then there are those "Mom and Pop bought me the car" or "Street Racers" out there that ruin it for the enthusiasts.

I simply like Underdog 6 or 4 cylinder boosted vehicles. I've had my fare share of modifying many brands of vehicles. I like the SRT-4 and I'm liking the Cobalt SS. The redline has not won me over but it has one fine engine in it. I like the Evo over the STi. But like them in the respects of having boosted motors.

Have ya ever been to a Hyundai forum? See them write on how great their cars are vs others? geesh....and those are just the accent owners...with 1.5L engines.

You'll get it from any forum, even this one once it gets the owners in.

Unfortunately there's some people who are hoighty-toighty over their SRT, which, as far as I'm concerned, is really lame.

I have a friend who just adores the SRT-4. I say anything about liking a car better than it, he just starts talking about how much faster the SRT is, or something else. I mean damn, I don't care if you'll beat me down the strip. It really doesn't matter, in the grand scheme of things.

(note: SRT can easily be replaced with any other car. Point is: fanboiz suck)

That is the way the car hobby always has been and always will be. It is good competition and fun to jaw with other enthusiasts. Some take it to personal though and really get deffensive of thier "make or model".

I think the fact that the SRT has reigned king of the 20k dollar sports car ring the past couple of years is the reason why so much hype of a battle is even going on. The Cobalt is the first car to go head to head with the SRT since it arrived. Should be interesting how it all pans out. I just hope everyone can have fun and some good competion.

Jay

That is the way the car hobby always has been and always will be. It is good competition and fun to jaw with other enthusiasts. Some take it to personal though and really get deffensive of thier "make or model".

I think the fact that the SRT has reigned king of the 20k dollar sports car ring the past couple of years is the reason why so much hype of a battle is even going on. The Cobalt is the first car to go head to head with the SRT since it arrived. Should be interesting how it all pans out. I just hope everyone can have fun and some good competion.

Jay
....unfortunately Ford never jumped on the turbocharged realm when they had the chance before the SVT and WRX came out. I remember taking part in surveys and having acces to engineers that made the SVT focus possible. When a group of us mentioned "make it turbo" their reply was, "there is no market for this right now". so N/A and 170 crank HP it was.

The ION red line could have done it but it fell short in some departments and the name never took off. Now you see companies wanting to get the Cobalt SS in their hands. They are barely out there and they are requesting for them to R&D!

....unfortunately Ford never jumped on the turbocharged realm when they had the chance before the SVT and WRX came out. I remember taking part in surveys and having acces to engineers that made the SVT focus possible. When a group of us mentioned "make it turbo" their reply was, "there is no market for this right now". so N/A and 170 crank HP it was.

The ION red line could have done it but it fell short in some departments and the name never took off. Now you see companies wanting to get the Cobalt SS in their hands. They are barely out there and they are requesting for them to R&D!

I think the name of the car really makes people think too, how many people have you heard say "I wouldn't be cought dead driving a neon but I'll drive an srt4" The Ion Redline also didn't have the advertising behind it like some of the others.

Ford told you that there is no market for turbo cars? lol I find it hard to believe that Tom Scarpello and the boys at SVT would say something so ignorant..but it could've happened.

BTW, there IS a turbo focus available. It's the Rousch Stage 3 Focus. It's 230hp, w/good suspension and body kit...But it's 28k No one is gonna buy that car for that much. these people need to get a clue

I think the name of the car really makes people think too, how many people have you heard say "I wouldn't be cought dead driving a neon but I'll drive an srt4" The Ion Redline also didn't have the advertising behind it like some of the others.
SRT-4 really didn't get much marketing besides magazines ranting and raving on how great the car is.

The red Line on the other hand got the shaft as they mentioned the seats were great but the rest of the car sucked. Long car, center dash etc...

I even heard a guy say it to jean as we were stopping in a Advance Auto Parts, guy says, "I was going to get one of those until I got cool"..and goes ahead and steps into a 4dr focus with a shiny round muffler sticking out on stock piping. Automatic at that.

Ford told you that there is no market for turbo cars? lol I find it hard to believe that Tom Scarpello and the boys at SVT would say something so ignorant..but it could've happened.

BTW, there IS a turbo focus available. It's the Rousch Stage 3 Focus. It's 230hp, w/good suspension and body kit...But it's 28k No one is gonna buy that car for that much. these people need to get a clue
This was before the Focus was released into the US market. So the Focus was not available yet. All there was for choices was escorts and the ZX2....

OH BTW, yes we were told that...the closest thing to a turbo car that could be modified nicely back then was the release of the wrx. Even that Subaru knew it was going to be a make it or break it deal as they released the turbo car back into the sport compact market. 2000 marked the year of the sport compact seen in growth with the introduction of the WRX. Ford pumped out the SVT focus which was on display before it was released. They marketed the car through several Hot import nights(it was the only compact car show at the time) and track venues(englishtown racewaypark). I still have the literature and key fobs that were given at the Ford SVT booth.

So yeah I was interested in the SVT Focus until word hit that it was not going to be turbocharged.

I like the SRT-4 but we already have one with over 400whp.

Good to finnally see a couple of american sport compacts out there to tear up on the import market. Personally im glad to finnally see another american sport compact to compete with. I wont bash the car, its a nice ride and i think it looks better than my srt.

I think ford really needs to step up now and offer something like the focus RS, but they also have to make the damn thing affordable.

I think ford really needs to step up now and offer something like the focus RS, but they also have to make the damn thing affordable.

don't see that happening anytime soon.

I can't wait till I get my Cobalt SS.

I'll race just about anything on the Track I don't care if I loose.

Even if the SRT-4 has more hp I think that the Cobalt SS can hang with it pretty good.

I can't wait either.

what up boys, a friend told me about this site but he said it was run by srt guys, which I wasn't sure about. I have met alota assholes behind the wheel of an srt but i have to say reading through the forum it's clear that the people I have meet don't represent all srt drivers.

Now down to it, SRT SS, enemies...always makes things interesting. Personally I'm just happy ford's not in the picture. Than we'd be talking enemies!!!!

The enemies should be with the imports. Finnally Domestics are in the game.

I hope you know that there is more to "racing" than the quarter mile. Auto-X and gimme a call. If you want to do the quarter, buy an 88 5.0 notch and let er rip.

I agree that we should mess with the imports, altho there is nothing wrong with a little friendly rivalry.

what up boys, a friend told me about this site but he said it was run by srt guys, which I wasn't sure about. I have met alota assholes behind the wheel of an srt but i have to say reading through the forum it's clear that the people I have meet don't represent all srt drivers.

Now down to it, SRT SS, enemies...always makes things interesting. Personally I'm just happy ford's not in the picture. Than we'd be talking enemies!!!!
Not really run by SRT guys at all, just car enthusiasts. The site owner is a car enthusiast.

Here to have fun and enjoy some Cobalt SS talk.

I have no problems with a little competition. I signed on to these forums because, i want to meet owners of cobalts when they hit the streets. If anybody near atlanta gets one pm me.

The cobalt is a very nice car i have been awaiting there delivery at my local dealer to check them out. They have one four door and one two door(not ss).

YATES

smokesmysi---nice ride, man. Looks good with the stripes! Anyways, the Focus RS looks like a nice ride, but did you know it's only 212hp? Didn't know that until I read an issue of "Focus fanatic" mag. Better idea: Ford markets the FR200..ya' know, the 305hp, AWD Focus Ford Racing made a few years ago? yea, that's what needs to come out!!

Hmmm...I like the cobalt ss!! Its interior is WAY nicer looking than my srt's. I like the overall design of the car. Don't get me wrong tho. I love my srt!! Its fast too!! Soon enough tho we'll be hearing the whine of the cobalts' charger next to our windows or even passing some us. good luck to all that get them...and mod well!!! Shit if I could afford to have both I would.

smokesmysi---nice ride, man. Looks good with the stripes! Anyways, the Focus RS looks like a nice ride, but did you know it's only 212hp? Didn't know that until I read an issue of "Focus fanatic" mag. Better idea: Ford markets the FR200..ya' know, the 305hp, AWD Focus Ford Racing made a few years ago? yea, that's what needs to come out!!
That would be nice if they released that focus, but ford can't have a four banger out running their beloved Mustang stock for stock now can they. :p

Yep. Can't make the focus run a 14.0, when the Gt runs a 13.6. Gt guys would shit their pants in anger lol. Well, i guess we'll just have to live with our 230hp, $28k Rousch focus for now

Yep. Can't make the focus run a 14.0, when the Gt runs a 13.6. Gt guys would shit their pants in anger lol. Well, i guess we'll just have to live with our 230hp, $28k Rousch focus for now
13.6, hell most GT's I see run a 14.0

I think the SRT-4 and the WRX's will stay enemies

AWD Cars will always walk all over our front wheel drives. Your subaru and an SRT-4 arent even comparable. WRX's rule the street unless there's an EVO around... then it is close.

BlownSS stock for stock dig or roll the srt-4 is faster in a strait line than the wrx.

looking at the stock Srt-4 and stock regular WRX they are about equal, Although when you get into the STI it does it nearly a second faster. I had an 2002 wrx 2.0L turbo- with an intercooler blow off vavle and full exhaust. Coming off the line i could completly dump the throttle with only a sqeek of the tires. WRX's are true rockets off the line. Ive only test driven a SRT-4 and didnt get to see the full potential of it but i still wouldnt be taking on Rexx's

2004 Wrx - 0-60 - 5.7 secs
2004 Wrx sti - 0-60 - 4.6
2004 Srt-4 - 0-60 5.7
*Thats from car and Driver

AWD Cars will always walk all over our front wheel drives. Your subaru and an SRT-4 arent even comparable. WRX's rule the street unless there's an EVO around... then it is close.


ummm.....no........sti/evo stock to stock with an srt.....yes......wrx stock to stock with a srt will get "walked over" as you say, by the srt-4.......

Get your info straight.

wrx 0-60 awd 5.7sec
srt-4 0-60 fwd 5.7sec

So what this says at sixty mph even with awd its no better. So in this case the srt-4 would be blowing by it. If the wrx is jumpimg say a car off the line and the srt-4 catches at sixty mph how bad would that margin be at say 1320 ft?

Just wondering my bud has 03" wrx. Its a sweet car but just does not compete with my stock srt-4.

What's going on peps. Last summer I got an 04 Cavalier. I wanted to get Cobalt SS, but my dad did not like the cobalt ss at first. So he made me get the cavalier. About a 3 mounths later he asked me how much do u think they would give us on the cavalier for the cobalt ss. Ever since then I have been waiting for the SS to come out. I think the cobalt ss is one of the best looking cars out under 30K. I plan on getting the performance package which comes with Recaro seats and the Quaife limited-slip differential. I've been wanting this car ever since I saw it in Super Street mag last summer.(sorry to make u guys read so much)

Funny thing is, I think the srt (neon) is faster in a salaom than a subbie. Now lets talk about car owners. the focus owners will auto-x. Slow or not, at least they show up! Where are these fast srt people? I do have the answer! The car is fast, but it wont turn and go fast! 20k and no one will show up to race them! The cobalt is being tuned to turn!! Cant wait!

13.6, hell most GT's I see run a 14.0

C'mon now Nocturn, you know that is not fair. Heck, over on New Age GTO half the owners with stick shifts run very high 13's in their 6m GTO's and some of the auto guys cannot get the car out of the 14's! Is this really a valid indication of what the car can do? Of course not, it is more an indication of what the driver can do with the car.

I know people with credibility who have run below 13.5 in stock 05 Mustang GT's including as fast as a 13.35. A couple of auto mags have even gotten 5m 05 Mustang GT's to turn 13.5's now so a bit faster than this is in the hands of an owner is definately credible.

The cars are certainly capable of a bit better than this once they are broken in, and no doubt we will see better than this in the near future. Although I will say that I think 13.3 is going to end up being a very, very good time for the car indeed, and is likely pushing as good as it is going to get.

This was before the Focus was released into the US market. So the Focus was not available yet. All there was for choices was escorts and the ZX2....

OH BTW, yes we were told that...So yeah I was interested in the SVT Focus until word hit that it was not going to be turbocharged.

There are two reasons the SVT Focus did not get more motor that nobody talks about besides what you mention.

1: Certain figures within SVT did not really want to do the car in the first place. The cars stellar handling make it obvious that somebody indeed took it seriously, but it was not the "hoorary for our side" effort cars like the 03 Cobra got.

2:The stouter off-the-shelf components used in cars not sold here like the Cosworth Focus that would ideally make the SVT simpler to do were very expensive and would push the price well into the 20k range. This, combined with the above, did not bode well for a turbo SVT Focus ever seeing the light of day