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Old 03-25-2006, 08:26 PM   #1
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Question Engine will not turn over

Here is the story. As some of you know, I took my car down last weekend for some mods, flywheel, clutch upgrade, CAI, polyurethane engine mounts and so on. Anyway, I buttoned everything up today and got in the car, hit the key and the engine would not crank. Has anyone had this problem? I am getting a check engine light, but OnStar diagnostics is not giving me any help. Right now, I have the battery disconnected again for overnight. When I first tried to start it, I was getting some weird stuff such as the words "Power Steering" in my driver information center. I realized that I did not fully seat the connectors in the ECM when I put it back in, so I did and the "Power Steering" message disappeared, but that was when I got the check engine light. Now when I turn the key on, I hear the fuel pump come on and certain items in the engine compartment "waking up", but still no crank. I thought maybe I left a connector unplugged, but I crawed all around the engine compartment and did not find any that I did not re-connect. I am sure it will be something simple, but I don't know where to look at this point. If you have experienced a similar problem, let me know.
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Old 03-25-2006, 09:42 PM   #2
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sounds like the flywheel is locked up. make sure the starter and the flywheel teeth are lined up properly. also, just check the starter for power with a little circuit tester
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Old 03-26-2006, 06:34 AM   #3
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The starter does not give any indication of even trying to engage. I am going to put it back up in the air and check the trigger wire to the starter. I was able to turn things over by hand when hooking up the axles.
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Old 03-26-2006, 07:10 AM   #4
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ok it sounds like the starter and flywheel are notched in right, like you said maybe its not getting power. check all the fuses too
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Old 03-26-2006, 08:22 AM   #5
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Id say its not a starter problem. My guess is its in theft mode, or you forgot a connector unplugged. Im thinking the one on the driverside firewall. In eithier case you will need a scan tool to clear the theft codes. Umm if i were you id jump the starter relay at the underhood fuse block. It should crank and start if it a theft code. Hope that helps. One more thing check your two grounds on the front bell housing bolt.

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Old 03-26-2006, 04:23 PM   #6
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OK, here is an update. I have checked every fuse and switched all the circuit breakers under the hood with known good ones. Still no crank. With the key in the run position, I jump the soloniod on the starter and the engine starts. Go for a drive(short) and put back in barn. Engine does not crank. Checked the clutch engage switch at the pedal and it is hooked up. Searched high and low for a connector that I missed or a loose ground. Nothing. Need a circuit diagram to go any further.

two grounds on front bell housing bolt. I will check them tonight. Thanks.
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Old 03-26-2006, 04:54 PM   #7
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OK, here is an update. I have checked every fuse and switched all the circuit breakers under the hood with known good ones. Still no crank. With the key in the run position, I jump the soloniod on the starter and the engine starts. Go for a drive(short) and put back in barn. Engine does not crank. Checked the clutch engage switch at the pedal and it is hooked up. Searched high and low for a connector that I missed or a loose ground. Nothing. Need a circuit diagram to go any further.

two grounds on front bell housing bolt. I will check them tonight. Thanks.
Well its not power to the starter that is a problem you have proven that.

My first thought it was the clutch pedal. not here is the deal. I dont want to over simplify the problem but some times if the clutch is not all the way down my car wont turn over either. could that be it? or is it bent down there so the switch is not being depressed all the way? can you bypass the switch just to ensure that is not the problem?

I believe it is the relay circuit from the ignition to the clutch pedal to the starter some where. I sure hope I got your gears turning enough for you to find the problem.

Let me know how it turns out.
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Old 03-26-2006, 07:03 PM   #8
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I checked the clutch pedal switch and it is being activated. I ran a ground directly from a starter bolt to a chassis ground and that did not do it. I think I will bring a tech 2 home from work tomorrow and see if there are any stored codes. But when the engine starts by jumping 12V to the solonoid, the check engine light goes out. I have felt all around for a connector that may be disconnected or a ground that is hanging and I find none.
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Old 03-26-2006, 07:38 PM   #9
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Its in theft mode thats my guess. Clear the theft codes with the tech 2
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Old 03-26-2006, 08:31 PM   #10
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ya you definatly need a tech 2 to figure it out. that will tell you right away
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