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its just not good enough, e85. To be able to provide it like we'd want we'd almost have to give up all the land to grow the amounts we'd need, meaning food would be an after thought. Not to mention its just dumb in the first place, e85 gets terrible mileage and not to mention nowhere near good for power making. It would work if we wanted to import crops and all drove smarts or smaller cars.

Anyway, the balts non LSJ or LNF well get vvt one way or another, anything that gets that mpg number close to 35 mpg is going to go into all future vehicles.
 

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Actually Cody, the cost of food at the grocery store is expected to increase by another 3-4% in 2008. That follows the same percentage as last year which is greater than the actual cost of living and inflation rates by comparison. The production of E85 and the increased value of corn as a result of it is directly related to this situation and has been well documented. An economics professor at a university in Iowa (can't remember which, but can very easily find it) has traced the profits of producing E85 down 4 levels and has shown that at the 4th level it is very miniscule. E85 is not Americas answer.
 

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gas prices in general raise the price of food and other things, working at a grocery store I get to watch the prices change first hand, sucks but hey, prices well go down, once we hit recession/depression.
 

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Actually Cody, the cost of food at the grocery store is expected to increase by another 3-4% in 2008. That follows the same percentage as last year which is greater than the actual cost of living and inflation rates by comparison. The production of E85 and the increased value of corn as a result of it is directly related to this situation and has been well documented. An economics professor at a university in Iowa (can't remember which, but can very easily find it) has traced the profits of producing E85 down 4 levels and has shown that at the 4th level it is very miniscule. E85 is not Americas answer.

But what you forget is that farmers who used a corn based blend as feed are now left paying out the ass of finding other means. E85 has also upped the price of grains (since you can use that too) also but then you run into the same problems. There is distillers grain but there is no substance in that, using that is like trying to live off vitamins only.


As for E85 driving up grocery cost I know that is 100% fact. My GF is a accountant for the second largest grocery distributer in the US.

The E85 boom will be over shortly just wait.
 
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