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Cobalt could make GM's rivals blue

For lovers of American cars and anyone else hoping the Big Three automakers thrive long-term, the arrival of Chevrolet's new Cobalt is an event of potentially huge significance.

Priced from the mid-to-upper teens, the Cobalt squares off directly against two of the most potent offerings from Japan - the Honda Accord and Toyota Camry.

If the Cobalt succeeds, a huge swath of U.S. car buyers will have a viable option for ``buying American.'' But if the Cobalt fails, one will be justified wondering whether there's any future for General Motors in vehicles smaller than sport utility vehicles.

My first impression: the Cobalt stands a good chance for succeeding.
For this sedan looks good - even Japanese in some regards - and drives well.

One of the first things you'll notice getting into a Cobalt is the car's solid exterior door handle. This nice touch sets the tone for the Cobalt, which manages to retain some of a big American sedan's nicer features (for instance, the trunk is extremely large). Though a tad heavy on plastic, the Cobalt's interior is attractive and extremely well designed. Leg room is better than for most cars of the Cobalt's size. Seats are also comfortable and easily adjusted, while gauges are simple. The radio (which can play either CDs or MP3s) is also nice and simple, and sounds excellent.
Lastly, climate controls are perfect - three traditional gauges to adjust temperature, fan speed and mode.

On the road, the Cobalt handles extremely well. It feels like a little car in the city and a medium-sized car on the highway. Excellent cornering is likely due in part to tires bigger than on many smaller cars. The Cobalt's four-cylinder engine is reasonably powerful - zippy enough to get you out of a jam, but somewhere short of exciting.

The bottom line: This is no Chevy Cavalier.

In fact, I'd consider the Cobalt a worthy rival to the Toyota Camry or Honda Accord. And that's a high standard indeed.

By Eric Convey/ Motor Mouth via: http://business.bostonherald.com/businessNews/view.bg?articleid=70435
 

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Right on, ekool!

Cobalt could make GM's rivals blue
Many of us GM RWD boys looked at Ricers with disdain and contempt, just 3 years ago. But now everything has changed. And the Cobalt SS is finally worthy of that prized moniker. Well done GM. Now, bring back the Camaro. :D
 

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I'd love to see a return of the F-Body as well. Excellent platform for 'bang for the buck' -- and it can only help bring down the price of LS2 mods :)
 

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I can not see the Cobalt compared to the Camry or Accord. I have driven a Pontiac Pursuit and the Cobalt's not far off. I've sat in a Cobalt LS and it looked cheap despite the better trim. The vents look to be part of the dash. By that I mean it doesn't look like they're a separte piece. The plastic is hard but feels cheap when I tap on it. The cut of the metallic colored strip running from door to door near the center console looked uneven. I don't know what the manual shifter for the Cobalt LS is like but in the Pursuit, it was this ugly, black, rubber ball. The door also pressed against my arm (and I'm a small 5'6" guy). The handling was not responsive; rocking the steering wheel back and forth only yielded in virtually unnoticeable swerves. The steering wheel in the LS was better than the Pursuit though. The LS's was wrapped whereas the Pursuit's was a hard, non-grippy plastic. They could have at least used a urethane coat.

I'd say it's more fair to compare to the Civic. The 2006 ratings for the Civic are going to be closer. I'm guessing 160hp for the base and 200hp for the Si Coupe. You know, I still see the Honda Civic outselling the Cobalt even though it's got less of an oomph.
 

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I can not see the Cobalt compared to the Camry or Accord. I have driven a Pontiac Pursuit and the Cobalt's not far off. I've sat in a Cobalt LS and it looked cheap despite the better trim. The vents look to be part of the dash. By that I mean it doesn't look like they're a separte piece. The plastic is hard but feels cheap when I tap on it. The cut of the metallic colored strip running from door to door near the center console looked uneven. I don't know what the manual shifter for the Cobalt LS is like but in the Pursuit, it was this ugly, black, rubber ball. The door also pressed against my arm (and I'm a small 5'6" guy). The handling was not responsive; rocking the steering wheel back and forth only yielded in virtually unnoticeable swerves. The steering wheel in the LS was better than the Pursuit though. The LS's was wrapped whereas the Pursuit's was a hard, non-grippy plastic. They could have at least used a urethane coat.

I'd say it's more fair to compare to the Civic. The 2006 ratings for the Civic are going to be closer. I'm guessing 160hp for the base and 200hp for the Si Coupe. You know, I still see the Honda Civic outselling the Cobalt even though it's got less of an oomph.
so i'm not the only one who thinks the cobalt/pursuit has a cheep interior. i agree with that, the plastic seems a bit to cheap. and yeah, whats with the shifter, by the looks of it the ss's isn't much better...
 

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so i'm not the only one who thinks the cobalt/pursuit has a cheep interior. i agree with that, the plastic seems a bit to cheap. and yeah, whats with the shifter, by the looks of it the ss's isn't much better...
Well, at least the shift knob can be replaced... I hope the ring as well. :)
 

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yeah, thats why i'm not to worried...
 

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It has to be better then the stock SRT-4 shift knob, which is silver plastic and is not even threaded onto the shifter assembly.

Mine popped off on the first night I owned the car, and it happens to other owners all the time. It's what you call "friction mounted" -- ie, no glue, no screws, nada :)

So... that was one of the first things I replaced. Perrin short throw shifter with allen set screws on the knob.

The tranny, on the other hand, has been the best tranny out of all the cars I've ever owned, smooth as glass, perfect for power shifting.
 

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What we want

Gentlemen, there are those among us, for whom looks are pretty irrelevant. We want "sleepers", that are invisible (except for fat, low tires and an exhaust burble that nobody can hear over their killer stereo systems). We want low weight ($crew the air, power windows, and bye, bye CD player; do killer sub woofers weigh much? At least they're in the trunk) and high horsepower (as long as it can hook up, after a fashion; it is never enough).
The surprising thing is that the Cobalt SS appeals to such a wide range of people. The General has finally done something right for those of us that can't afford a Z06, Viper, or GT (where is the SVT Cobra?).
 

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Gentlemen, there are those among us, for whom looks are pretty irrelevant. We want "sleepers", that are invisible (except for fat, low tires and an exhaust burble that nobody can hear over their killer stereo systems). We want low weight ($crew the air, power windows, and bye, bye CD player; do killer sub woofers weigh much? At least they're in the trunk) and high horsepower (as long as it can hook up, after a fashion; it is never enough).
The surprising thing is that the Cobalt SS appeals to such a wide range of people. The General has finally done something right for those of us that can't afford a Z06, Viper, or GT (where is the SVT Cobra?).
So, are you going to remove the SS branding? I've shaved my emblems off. I sorta like how people don't know what trim my car is. The worse are car salesmen... They don't even know WHAT car I drive and it's got a pretty unique look and a model that's been out since 2002.

Anyway, for me, I'd choose a Civic as a sleeper. One reason is that there are so many slow, "ricey" ones out there they wouldn't expect anything different from one that was stock. You could rice it up and it'd still be a sleeper. Haha...

But I want to start a show car (with balls) some day. I think I'm going to choose the over done Civic. But I'd start with a 2006+ so it'll be somewhat original.
 

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If only to thy own self, be true

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So, are you going to remove the SS branding? I've shaved my emblems off.
That was my plan with my 2002 Camaro, Scrouge. But I could not do it! To do so would have been sacrilegious. Stick with a GM and be true. :D
 

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Gentlemen, I have removed many badges & decals in my time. All you need is a sharp fingernail and a hair dryer and some alcohol to remove the residue. I was happy to remove the chicken decal on my 3rd gen T/A turbo (gutless piece of $hit, that it was), but I could not do this on my '02 SS.

It's your car and your thing. :D
 

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One of my friends took my badges off with a screwdriver. I needed to buy touch up paint because there was a scratch behind the badge. After he took my badges of, he called me over to show e the scratch. He said that Acura puts the scratches there to give the adhesive something to bond to.
 

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i dont know about that man, he might have just scatched it and then told u that so u did not get pissed.......the best way is with a heat gaun and some kind of solvent to get the left over adhisive off.
 

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Dude sounds like your friend is an idiot and dude here is my DIY on badge removal
spray some Goo Gone all around the badge on the adhesive
while its penetrating use a heat gun (hair dryer works too) on the badge
get dental floss and remove the badges
use your finger nail to get rid of the rest of the goo. be carefull and dont scratch the clear coat too much
once everything is off, use warm soapy water to clean off the spot
apply wax to newly uncovered area (its unprotected once u get rid of the badges)
your done.
 

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actionjackson said:
One of my friends took my badges off with a screwdriver. I needed to buy touch up paint because there was a scratch behind the badge. After he took my badges of, he called me over to show e the scratch. He said that Acura puts the scratches there to give the adhesive something to bond to.
Sorry, actionjackson, your friend should have used his (or his lady friends') fingernail. No mnfgr screws up their expensive paint jobs with scratches. :mad:
 

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I didn't think Acura would scratch it either. He's a shady character. I'm going to call him and see what he says about it. Thanks for confirming my thoughts.
 

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tecmec said:
so i'm not the only one who thinks the cobalt/pursuit has a cheep interior. i agree with that, the plastic seems a bit to cheap. and yeah, whats with the shifter, by the looks of it the ss's isn't much better...
At the very least the IP shoulda been soft touch like a Vdub GTI. The cobalt IP even sounds hollow and feels thin.
IMO the vdub has by far the best interior.
 
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