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Well, after reading through a couple of new threads since my last visit, I can safely say that I don't like the direction this forum is heading. Anyway, I have to throw out my thoughts on a comment made in the other forums about the Cobalt being "Just a Cavalier" and the SRT-4 being "just a neon".

First off, the Cobalt is NOT a Cavalier by any means. It is the REPLACEMENT for the Cavalier. That's kind of like calling a Ford Escort ZX2 "just a Ford Probe" as the Escort replaced the Probe.

Not the same thing guys.

Also, as for the SRT-4 being "just a neon" I agree and disagree on that. True, the SRT-4 is a Neon. No matter what, it IS a Neon. Just with an engine that wasn't optional in the base Neons.

Performance-wise, it is NOT a neon.

I belong to a Mopar car club here in the Carolina's and our members have a total of around 10 SRT-4's. Not a one of them will argue that their car is based on the Neon platform. However one has a saying "It's only a Neon until it beats you, then it's an SRT-4".

When I get my Cobalt SS S/C, I'm not going to deny it's a Cobalt. When someone asks what kind of car I drive, I'm going to say "A Cobalt SS".

Kind of like now when someone asks me what I drive, I say "A Dodge Daytona C/S". Unless the person I'm talking to is a car buff, I don't even bother mentioning that I drive a 1991 Dodge Daytona C/S Competition Model, 1 of only 150 made in 1991, 2.5L turbocharged 4-cyl. with a Getrag 5-spd manual tranny, putting down 152hp and 210ft.lbs of torque (stock) , running the quarter @ 15.2 bone stock in '91, but I have mine modified to run low 14's in the quarter with one free part to turn the boost up to 14.5 lbs, a 2.5" exhaust, and gutting the interior.

Pretty embarassing when your RSX Type S gets demolished by a rusted out, horrible looking piece of crap Daytona that I paid less than $1,000 for (including mods), isn't it?

Anyway, even though my car has a different suspension (Carroll Shelby Maximum Performance Suspension) than the average run-of-the-mill daytona's had, (different tranny as well) I don't deny that it is still "Just a Daytona".

I hate when people have to try to make themselves feel better by trying to make their car into something it's not, or denying what it is.
 

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uwilluz said:
Well, after reading through a couple of new threads since my last visit, I can safely say that I don't like the direction this forum is heading. Anyway, I have to throw out my thoughts on a comment made in the other forums about the Cobalt being "Just a Cavalier" and the SRT-4 being "just a neon".

First off, the Cobalt is NOT a Cavalier by any means. It is the REPLACEMENT for the Cavalier. That's kind of like calling a Ford Escort ZX2 "just a Ford Probe" as the Escort replaced the Probe.

Not the same thing guys.

Also, as for the SRT-4 being "just a neon" I agree and disagree on that. True, the SRT-4 is a Neon. No matter what, it IS a Neon. Just with an engine that wasn't optional in the base Neons.

Performance-wise, it is NOT a neon.

I belong to a Mopar car club here in the Carolina's and our members have a total of around 10 SRT-4's. Not a one of them will argue that their car is based on the Neon platform. However one has a saying "It's only a Neon until it beats you, then it's an SRT-4".

When I get my Cobalt SS S/C, I'm not going to deny it's a Cobalt. When someone asks what kind of car I drive, I'm going to say "A Cobalt SS".

Kind of like now when someone asks me what I drive, I say "A Dodge Daytona C/S". Unless the person I'm talking to is a car buff, I don't even bother mentioning that I drive a 1991 Dodge Daytona C/S Competition Model, 1 of only 150 made in 1991, 2.5L turbocharged 4-cyl. with a Getrag 5-spd manual tranny, putting down 152hp and 210ft.lbs of torque (stock) , running the quarter @ 15.2 bone stock in '91, but I have mine modified to run low 14's in the quarter with one free part to turn the boost up to 14.5 lbs, a 2.5" exhaust, and gutting the interior.

Pretty embarassing when your RSX Type S gets demolished by a rusted out, horrible looking piece of crap Daytona that I paid less than $1,000 for (including mods), isn't it?

Anyway, even though my car has a different suspension (Carroll Shelby Maximum Performance Suspension) than the average run-of-the-mill daytona's had, (different tranny as well) I don't deny that it is still "Just a Daytona".

I hate when people have to try to make themselves feel better by trying to make their car into something it's not, or denying what it is.
I agree with everything you posted execept one for one thing.

The Escort and Probe were in production at the same time, therefore, neither were replaced by the other. The only defense along those lines could be the Focus replacing the Escort.
 

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I knew about them being in production at the same time... however, all the Ford reps talked about the Escort ZX2 replacing the Probe GT.

Oh well, as long as my point was made :D
 

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I knew about them being in production at the same time... however, all the Ford reps talked about the Escort ZX2 replacing the Probe GT.
I guess you could say that. The ZX2 really isn't like the older Escorts, it does have a sportier look and feel.

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Oh well, as long as my point was made :D
That is all the matters. All in all, it is a good post.
 

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The Escort and Probe were in production at the same time, therefore, neither were replaced by the other. The only defense along those lines could be the Focus replacing the Escort.
That is correct. The Focus replaced the Escort, although the Escort ZX2 model lingered along by itself for awhile after the regular Escorts were gone.

The lifespan of the Probe came and went right in the middle of Escort production; its an entirely different car.

I think its funny when SRT4 owners deny their car is a Neon (yes I know all the badging says "SRT4"). That's sort of like owning a Z28 and denying its a Camaro.
 

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Kind of like now when someone asks me what I drive, I say "A Dodge Daytona C/S". Unless the person I'm talking to is a car buff, I don't even bother mentioning that I drive a 1991 Dodge Daytona C/S Competition Model, 1 of only 150 made in 1991, 2.5L turbocharged 4-cyl. with a Getrag 5-spd manual tranny, putting down 152hp and 210ft.lbs of torque (stock) , running the quarter @ 15.2 bone stock in '91, but I have mine modified to run low 14's in the quarter with one free part to turn the boost up to 14.5 lbs, a 2.5" exhaust, and gutting the interior.

Pretty embarassing when your RSX Type S gets demolished by a rusted out, horrible looking piece of crap Daytona that I paid less than $1,000 for (including mods), isn't it?

Anyway, even though my car has a different suspension (Carroll Shelby Maximum Performance Suspension) than the average run-of-the-mill daytona's had, (different tranny as well) I don't deny that it is still "Just a Daytona".

I hate when people have to try to make themselves feel better by trying to make their car into something it's not.
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I've met two or three people in my area that realize my car is a SRT-4. The rest don't realize it's a dodge. So, I've never had a problem saying my car is a neon. I've been driving neons since 99'. So as you were saying, all a Cobalt SS is, is a Cavalier? :p

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No, I'm saying it's NOT a Cavalier. Otherwise, it would be called a Chevrolet Cavalier Cobalt, right?

That's like saying a Neon is an Omni. You have your four-door economy car, then you have your newer four door economy car, but they are two different platforms/model lines.

Oh, and KSE, as I said in my earlier post. I claim to drive a Dodge Daytona C/S. If anyone asks for more info, I then tell them what it is exactly.

I'm not trying to make my car into something it's not. My car was a factory-made performance car built for the track, yet I claim it to be just another run-of-the-mill Daytona, of which thousands were made, not the 150 that were made of my C/S model and I NEVER say that it's NOT a Daytona.
 

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No, I'm saying it's NOT a Cavalier. Otherwise, it would be called a Chevrolet Cavalier Cobalt, right?

That's like saying a Neon is an Omni. You have your four-door economy car, then you have your newer four door economy car, but they are two different platforms/model lines.

Oh, and KSE, as I said in my earlier post. I claim to drive a Dodge Daytona C/S. If anyone asks for more info, I then tell them what it is exactly.

I'm not trying to make my car into something it's not. My car was a factory-made performance car built for the track, yet I claim it to be just another run-of-the-mill Daytona, of which thousands were made, not the 150 that were made of my C/S model.
i just found it funny that you tried to "show off" your car :p and TRY to make the RSX~S look like it's nothing... that car has plenty of power waiting to be unleashed as opposed to your maxed out engine (probly not maxed but still)... who cares what amount of $$$$ you did or did not have to spend, seriously

i drive a cavalier... a "Z24" cavalier ... ;) , LMAO

who cares what people think of your car.. you just tell them what it really is AFTER you beat them ;) .. whether they call it a neon, a s/c cavalier, or just a daytona... it doesnt matter, really
 

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Haha I wasn't even trying to show off my car. My car is a piece of shit, that I will admit to. Though, even my import-driving buddies will admit it is fast.

As for my engine being maxed out. Well... let's just say that in our club there are well over 50 people running the 2.5L that I have, and they are all pushing well over 400hp/450ft.lbs reliably, with a few running over 500hp.

Either way, I'm not trying to talk my car up. Keep in mind that I'm buying a new Cobalt SS. Though I must throw out there, that in stock form, it's slower :p

*Edit* BTW, trust me, I don't care what people think of my car. Hell I just epoxied the passenger side mirror back on the door. Cream colored epoxy on a black car, now that looks pimp. :eek:
 

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Haha I wasn't even trying to show off my car. My car is a piece of shit, that I will admit to. Though, even my import-driving buddies will admit it is fast.

As for my engine being maxed out. Well... let's just say that in our club there are well over 50 people running the 2.5L that I have, and they are all pushing well over 400hp/450ft.lbs reliably, with a few running over 500hp.

Either way, I'm not trying to talk my car up. Keep in mind that I'm buying a new Cobalt SS. Though I must throw out there, that in stock form, it's slower :p

*Edit* BTW, trust me, I don't care what people think of my car. Hell I just epoxied the passenger side mirror back on the door. Cream colored epoxy on a black car, now that looks pimp. :eek:
i understand, my 1988 cavalier is a pos too!

lol, i really need to take some pix, LOL.. its not a pretty site!

i was thinking of spending a little money on mine.. its a 2.8L.. figured i'd throw on the ussual... i/h/e...... who knows if i will.. i'd really like to, but then again, i really want another car
 

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Also, I wasn't trying to belittle the RSX. It's just that most of the RSX drivers around here are the typical fanboys who think that $ equals speed. They drop $24-26K on a new car, throw on a $200+ CAI and think they are hell on wheels.

It's pretty embarassing when they get rolled on by my POS. And I do mean POS, it's got rust holes big enough to put your hand through :p

They get even more embarassed when they find out the engine itself is unmodified, w/ almost 160K on the clock. :)

Bottom Line: $ does not always equal speed. Of course, with enough money, you can polish a turd.
 

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Also, I wasn't trying to belittle the RSX. It's just that most of the RSX drivers around here are the typical fanboys who think that $ equals speed. They drop $24-26K on a new car, throw on a $200+ CAI and think they are hell on wheels.

It's pretty embarassing when they get rolled on by my POS. And I do mean POS, it's got rust holes big enough to put your hand through :p

They get even more embarassed when they find out the engine itself is unmodified, w/ almost 160K on the clock. :)

Bottom Line: $ does not always equal speed. Of course, with enough money, you can polish a turd.

haha, good stuff...

my car hung with my biddies 91 SC300, LMAO... pretty funny IMO...

i also walked another "sort-of-buddy" in his 2000 Mercury Cougar (funniest shit is, he sold it 1 week later, no bullshit)

i wish i had gotten the turbo version of my car :eek: ... 3.1L V6 Turbo 205hp/225trq... :D

too bad they're REALLY hard to find.. atleast in my area :(

so for now, V6 2.8L 130hp/160trq will have to do! LOL

ive been looking for a new car like crazy, i found a nice 92 GSX that was at a good price, unfortunately it was sold before i could even test drive it... now, i got my eyes set on a 92 5.0 :D ...

.. i love ALL cars :cool:
 

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you get this kind of stuff no matter what site you go to.
I still don't see why some guys are against each other while buying domestic compact cars.

Isn't supposed to be, "we'll beat you import guys blah blah blah?"
 

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Hey I've got respect for ALL fast cars, however, those that try to act fast when they aren't (no matter what type of car they drive) are my favorite targets. It tends to be the import crowd and V6 Mustang owners, but either way, makes for some fun for me!

Given, I'm running low 14's and that is slow to me. But when I roll on a riced out import that is still running low-mid 16's, I seem insanely fast to them :D
 

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Hey I've got respect for ALL fast cars, however, those that try to act fast when they aren't (no matter what type of car they drive) are my favorite targets. It tends to be the import crowd and V6 Mustang owners, but either way, makes for some fun for me!

Given, I'm running low 14's and that is slow to me. But when I roll on a riced out import that is still running low-mid 16's, I seem insanely fast to them :D
we think alike! ;) .. lol, i feel the exact same way, haha
 

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i also walked another "sort-of-buddy" in his 2000 Mercury Cougar (funniest shit is, he sold it 1 week later, no bullshit)
BTW, the 2000 Merc Cougar (even V6) is a slow-ass piece of doggie-doo. :) He made a good choice in selling it. :) A Civic could kill it.

Back on topic...
I don't even want to get into the Cobalt SS/SC vs SRT-4 vs RSX-S anymore. With the Cobalt SS and SRT-4 you're just paying for power, nothing more. But that seems to be all people care about. Again, personal opinion.
 
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