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Cobalt SS Mechanical Problems??????!!!!!

My father works for Chevy, he's being told that SS is being delayed due to mehanical problems. He was told this by three other head service managers, each from different dealrships. If there havin problems with the SS then doesnt that mean there should be the same problems with a REDLINE?
 

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RdCvcRCR said:
My father works for Chevy, he's being told that SS is being delayed due to mehanical problems. He was told this by three other head service managers, each from different dealrships.
Atleast that sounds more resonable then the Romurs going around that they are going to be RWD lol
 

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Rwd.....lol!!!! In Ur Dreams....but It Can Be Done....just Like That Svt Focus With The Mustang V8 In It And Rwd...... Lot Of $$$$$$$$
 

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RdCvcRCR said:
My father works for Chevy, he's being told that SS is being delayed due to mehanical problems. He was told this by three other head service managers, each from different dealrships. If there havin problems with the SS then doesnt that mean there should be the same problems with a REDLINE?
They have had problems with the redline they just didnt stop production on them because of the problems. Just like I stated on another board about a large amount of redline owners who live in the midwest who have redlines and when the temperature went bellow freezing their cars wouldnt start and had to be towed to the dealerships. The problem wasnt even fixed for a long time and I believe a few are still having problems with the update.
 

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They have had problems with the redline they just didnt stop production on them because of the problems. Just like I stated on another board about a large amount of redline owners who live in the midwest who have redlines and when the temperature went bellow freezing their cars wouldnt start and had to be towed to the dealerships. The problem wasnt even fixed for a long time and I believe a few are still having problems with the update.

Cam position sensor and an ECM flash, not the end of the world. I kind of expect that seeing as how it's the first year of production. My '02 SVT Focus had very similar problems.
 

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RdCvcRCR said:
My father works for Chevy, he's being told that SS is being delayed due to mehanical problems. He was told this by three other head service managers, each from different dealrships. If there havin problems with the SS then doesnt that mean there should be the same problems with a REDLINE?
My Dad works at the Saturn plant that builds the Ion and unfortunately, the Redline is also delayed. There's no plan to build any until the end of March. Something about a small problem with the transmission that needs to be fixed first. Maybe this is also affecting the Cobalt. I was told that the current Cobalt cars as a whole still have many unresolved quality issues. More than twice as many as the Ion (based on internal and external GM audits). I hope they get this crap worked out soon.
 

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Cam position sensor and an ECM flash, not the end of the world. I kind of expect that seeing as how it's the first year of production. My '02 SVT Focus had very similar problems.
might not be a big deal for you but for those owners that dealt with the problem for weeks and some longer than that while saturn tried to figure out what was wrong it was a big deal. First year production isnt an excuse for something like that. Yeah all first year cars have their problems but not starting shouldnt be one of them.
 

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This kind of info saddens me, anything that would cause a delay to put the SS on the streets makes me sad. I hope they get all the problems fixed? But the real question is?? After all the alterations, will the car be slower? Or faster??? Now that's my main concern?? I hope faster.
 

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ive heard of some problems with the cam position sensors in the redline, and also some problems with the ecu that were fixed with an update.......... nothing internal though, unlike the new trailblazer moter
 

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might not be a big deal for you but for those owners that dealt with the problem for weeks and some longer than that while saturn tried to figure out what was wrong it was a big deal. First year production isnt an excuse for something like that. Yeah all first year cars have their problems but not starting shouldnt be one of them.
I'm not sure who all you're talking about, but on the other forum there is like 5 people that are still having issues. Next, it was an extended crank issue, and it wasn't always when it was cold, this did not mean that the car didn't start, only that it required more than 3 seconds of cranking time. That was part of the Cam Position Sensor issue which, in my case, was fixed once and has been great since. Half the people didn't know that they needed the 'ECU Upgrade' until other people came on saying that they got more horsepower out of the car. Then all of a sudden everyone had 'hesitation' when the car was cold. The other issues that I've seen are summed up by fit and finish. Squeaking parts, misaligned trunk lid, etc. You're making these issues seem a little bigger than they are. From my understanding, the issues with the Cobalt and the Redline production is tied to a supplier issue with the high-performance pieces that are particular to the Redline and the SS. Who are these 'Large numbers of Redline owners in the Midwest'? I'm in Chicago and there are about 10 people on the forum from the Midwest area. You're just repeating what you're read without any actual experience with the car.
 

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I'm not sure who all you're talking about, but on the other forum there is like 5 people that are still having issues. Next, it was an extended crank issue, and it wasn't always when it was cold, this did not mean that the car didn't start, only that it required more than 3 seconds of cranking time. That was part of the Cam Position Sensor issue which, in my case, was fixed once and has been great since. Half the people didn't know that they needed the 'ECU Upgrade' until other people came on saying that they got more horsepower out of the car. Then all of a sudden everyone had 'hesitation' when the car was cold. The other issues that I've seen are summed up by fit and finish. Squeaking parts, misaligned trunk lid, etc. You're making these issues seem a little bigger than they are. From my understanding, the issues with the Cobalt and the Redline production is tied to a supplier issue with the high-performance pieces that are particular to the Redline and the SS. Who are these 'Large numbers of Redline owners in the Midwest'? I'm in Chicago and there are about 10 people on the forum from the Midwest area. You're just repeating what you're read without any actual experience with the car.
I actually know quite well what I'm talking about there are over 1,400 members on my board. I have been on saturnfans.com for more than 5 years and am one of the top posters there.That really all im going to say. I'm aware that the cobalt both the SS/SC and the 1SB coupes have faced delays because of parts and a few other issues.
 

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I actually know quite well what I'm talking about there are over 1,400 members on my board. I have been on saturnfans.com for more than 5 years and am one of the top posters there. I spoke to 3 people at a car meet here in Indianapolis that OWN Redline Ion's and they all were experiencing the same problem. Not that the car was taking a few seconds their cars didnt start period. So dont tell me I dont know what I'm talking about you dont even know my background! Most of the people who were having the starting problem had the problem fixed by a software update. But it was still a problem whether you think so or not, do a search. Several people have been selling their cars because they are fed up with the problems.
That's nice... let me address this point by point before you pop a blood vessel defending your honor.

Of the few hundered people on the forum I'm talking about there was about 10, and no more than 20 people that were having an issue. Of those MAYBE 5 are still having an issue. Of those 5, I don't recall more than 1 that was in a situation where the car would not start at all. Of the dozens of posts in the thread about problems, there was 8 different people that accounted for over 50% of the 83 posts. I was one of them.

I never said you didn't know what you were talking about, I said you were exaggerating the problem. Which you are. The REAL no start issue was with the Cam Position Sensor NOT the ECU program. So there you do NOT know what you are talking about. I have a copy of the exact TSB for the issue which I got from the Service Manager at Saturn. Would you like a copy? That isssue can make the car not start since the timing of the engine is off. No one said these were not problems, but they are a far cry from what you are painting it to be.

Your defensiveness is completely out of line, my comments were not originally meant to be an insult, but you have obviously taken them as such. Thats your own problem. I'm letting the people on here know the actual details of the problems that were had with the Redlines as opposed to slinging statements around that make them seem like a POS.

Also, the board you speak of may have 1400 members, but the get about 10 posts a day the deal with the Redline specifically. I'm on there everyday as well. Just checked and there has been 3 posts since I went there yesterday about the Redline... tons of info there...
 

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That's nice... let me address this point by point before you pop a blood vessel defending your honor.

Of the few hundered people on the forum I'm talking about there was about 10, and no more than 20 people that were having an issue. Of those MAYBE 5 are still having an issue. Of those 5, I don't recall more than 1 that was in a situation where the car would not start at all. Of the dozens of posts in the thread about problems, there was 8 different people that accounted for over 50% of the 83 posts. I was one of them.

I never said you didn't know what you were talking about, I said you were exaggerating the problem. Which you are. The REAL no start issue was with the Cam Position Sensor NOT the ECU program. So there you do NOT know what you are talking about. I have a copy of the exact TSB for the issue which I got from the Service Manager at Saturn. Would you like a copy? That isssue can make the car not start since the timing of the engine is off. No one said these were not problems, but they are a far cry from what you are painting it to be.

Your defensiveness is completely out of line, my comments were not originally meant to be an insult, but you have obviously taken them as such. Thats your own problem. I'm letting the people on here know the actual details of the problems that were had with the Redlines as opposed to slinging statements around that make them seem like a POS.

Also, the board you speak of may have 1400 members, but the get about 10 posts a day the deal with the Redline specifically. I'm on there everyday as well. Just checked and there has been 3 posts since I went there yesterday about the Redline... tons of info there...
I'm not trying to make anything look like a POS maybe you should get back inline and stop being so defensive. I have defended saturn for over 8 years. I still maintain my stance on saturn even though I no longer own one.All that I did is state a problem that did occur here locally. I didnt put down the car or anything else so get off my back!
 

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Also, the board you speak of may have 1400 members, but the get about 10 posts a day the deal with the Redline specifically. I'm on there everyday as well. Just checked and there has been 3 posts since I went there yesterday about the Redline... tons of info there...
And your point is what? I dont get my information about the redline from my forum. I have more pontiac members than saturn. Anyway I'm not about to hijack someones thread if you want to say anything else please send me a private message.
 

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Just like I stated on another board about a large amount of redline owners who live in the midwest who have redlines and when the temperature went bellow freezing their cars wouldnt start and had to be towed to the dealerships. The problem wasnt even fixed for a long time and I believe a few are still having problems with the update.
All that I did is state a problem that did occur here locally.
No, you made a broad statement about issues occuring all over the Midwest.

The thread is about problems this is not hijacking it, attacking my character is not going to do anything for your arguement, nor is painting yourself to be the 'honorable' one by no longer posting. The thread is about mechanical problems, since no one owns the car yet you have to use the closest thing for comparison which is the Ion. You are more than welcome to not read my posts, I'm fine with that.

I wasn't talking about your board I was talking about SaturnFans.com having very few Redline posts.

It sure does make you seem less defensive when you go back and edit all the defensive stuff out of the post and then reply as though you never were defensive.

You most cetainly did put down the car with the first mis-information statement, it was not a LARGE number of owners all over the midwest. It was a completely undetermined number of total owners that you are inferring from a couple of message boards that were actually spread from the NE to Colorado.
 

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No, you made a broad statement about issues occuring all over the Midwest.

The thread is about problems this is not hijacking it, attacking my character is not going to do anything for your arguement, nor is painting yourself to be the 'honorable' one by no longer posting. The thread is about mechanical problems, since no one owns the car yet you have to use the closest thing for comparison which is the Ion. You are more than welcome to not read my posts, I'm fine with that.

I wasn't talking about your board I was talking about SaturnFans.com having very few Redline posts.

It sure does make you seem less defensive when you go back and edit all the defensive stuff out of the post and then reply as though you never were defensive.

You most cetainly did put down the car with the first mis-information statement, it was not a LARGE number of owners all over the midwest. It was a completely undetermined number of total owners that you are inferring from a couple of message boards that were actually spread from the NE to Colorado.
Saturnfans has a whole section for RedLine posts. maybe you should look a little closer.
 

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Yea and I checked them 5 minutes ago and there were 4 since yesteday...
 

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xtremegrandam said:
Saturnfans has a whole section for RedLine posts. maybe you should look a little closer.
By the way I did a little count of how many people had the problem with their car starting so far I'm up to 20 and I'm not done checking. I'm not sure exactly how many redline are currently on the road but 20 people posting about a problem is a concern for me.

The post counts dont surprise me many forums have slowed down the last few months. But that doesnt mean there is a lack of information there.

And I actually edited my first post before I even saw you had replied because I didnt feel that I needed to explain myself to you.
 

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20 out of 4,000 is a great number... even if you get to 400 you're at 1%...
 

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20 out of 4,000 is a great number... even if you get to 400 you're at 1%...
All i did was mention a problem that occured so why dont you give it a rest already. All I can do is give information as accuretly as its given to me. I cant own every GM car. So if i make a mistake excuse me last time I checked I was human.
 
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