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my head hurts at this point lol.. so far from everything that ive gathered.. a good setup would be a 3" exhaust system (i already had a flowmaster exhaust placed onto the end before, does that matter?), injen cold air intake (dont know which one to get, ive seen like 3 different models so far for my car), 2.5" pulley?? with #60 injectors, i keep hearing talk about needing an oversized tensioner, something about bigger heat exchanger, an aftermarket clutch due to how much HP the original clutch can handle. also have seen people talking about a catless system? so does that mean straight-through/test pipe? is that doable in a ss/sc? is it better?

i need your guys help with what i should get for the best bang for the buck...

i have a $2000 budget, and i need you guys to tell me what the best parts i can get to increase my performance of my car! im not very car savvy :/

thx so much for any feedback! also if you recommend certain parts, itll greatly help to throw up a link to a site with the parts (as i get thrown off easily.. example: injen cold air intake different models/prices blahblah). thx!
 

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would it be more bang for buck to have that done? if not, what is the smallest pulley i should put on? 2.7 or 2.8 maybe?
 

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I just got my stage 3 kit on from zzp and i love it im boosting 19 psi i got the 2.8 pulley 60# injectors and the shorter belt along with the S3 h/e (the biggest one they offer) also got the super charger oil and gasket all together it ran me like $680 But they were having a sale on the kit so if you do i'd hurry
 

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kk ill check it out here today!! 680? thats not bad, did you put it all on yourself? and if not how much was labor?? like i said i got a 2000 budget and ill get a few other things if its not gonna be that expensive :)
 

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so this is what ive gathered so far:

http://www.zzperformance.com/cobalt_ion/products1.php?id=1055&catid=143
black 2.7" pulley
oversized tensioner pully? (whats the difference between this, the shorter belt option, and the zzp adjustable tensioner??)
upgrade to S3 H/E.
and im choosing the option for "I have an aftermarket intake" as i will be getting prolly an injen intake.

http://www.zzperformance.com/cobalt_ion/products1.php?id=1051&catid=174
#80 injectors + harness for my 2.0L

http://www.zzperformance.com/cobalt_ion/products1.php?id=804&catid=155
question about this item: if i already had a flowmaster installed last year, would it make sense to get this piece with the magnaflow resonator? or would this work with the flowmaster i already have?

http://www.zzperformance.com/cobalt_ion/products1.php?id=540&catid=155
im looking at getting this downpipe as well. would you guys think it be wise to go with no cat? or with a cat? i know its not street legal, and it looks like it says it requires pcm programming or an O2 sim.. would this matter if the place that is putting all of this on would be custom tuning my car?? also, what are "requires 1 or more solid engine/transmission mounts" ? (sorry car noob here)

http://www.zzperformance.com/cobalt_ion/products1.php?id=855&catid=178
it looks like i would need this as well if im going down to a 2.7" pulley. would i need to add pipes to my cart as well? also is this a good sidegrade to the GM racing dual intercooling?: http://www.zzperformance.com/cobalt_ion/products1.php?id=927&catid=178

http://www.zzperformance.com/cobalt_ion/products1.php?id=995
this is something that i was just eyeing, im not for sure if i will need a newer clutch or not, but seeing a stage 4 plus clutch in my balt would be pretty neat, minus the $850 it would cost for it :/

http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=190348374004&crlp=1_263602_263622&ff4=263602_263622&viewitem=&guid=9b51214b1250a026830049f0ffe43258&rvr_id=&ua=?*F?&itemid=190348374004

cold air intake of course :p



okay, so i know i listed a lot of parts, and im damn sure this is well over my budget, but would you all be able to assist me in filtering out what are gonna be the best as far as performace/cost ratio goes?? of course im gonna most likely get the stage 3 zzp kit, but what else should i get ? thx :)
 

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Originally Posted by rnjmur View Post
80# injectors are WAY overkill unless you are planning on running E85. Just stick with the 60# injectors that come in the kit.

I would definately get the dual pass endplate. It helps alot to keep IAT2 low. If you are going to be driving like an asshole all the time, I would personally either get meth or stick with a 2.8 inch pulley.

If you get exhaust I would get it with the resonator. I personally think cars without the resonator sound like ricey ass.

I would get the catless DP for your setup. If you are getting a custom tune they can turn off the error for CAT efficiency (this is illegal for a street driven car, just FYI).

chances are that you will need a new clutch at some point in time, but labor to put in a clutch is probably going to run you about $600 or more (probably more! I have no idea what they charge for a clutch install), so you are looking at close to $1500 for the clutch + labor.
thx northvibe + insylum for your tips . i know its always best to go with GMs stock sets if i dont know much about cars, but i got a buddy mechanic looking into things and i already have a place right down the street that already said as long as i get any parts theyll install and tune/dyno my shit . but i really really appreciate the lookin out!! more feedback than ive g***en before haha.

rnjmur - gotcha on the injectors, didnt see that the stage 3 zzp comes with the #60 injectors..
and ill go with the 2.8 pulley (still have no clue what the "shorter belt" and "zzp adjustable tensioner" options are?)
also, where can i find out what i need for methanol injection? and does this work like shots? or is it just something that i need to refill somewhere every couple of months? <-really interested in the methanol btw.
also i will still be getting the s3 h/e just to keep things nice n cool.
and ill get the dual pass endplate as well, but is this the only thing i need??
---> http://www.zzperformance.com/cobalt_...=855&catid=178

like do i need any other pipes to go with it? and should i add option B to this item? (have no clue what the differences are)

as far as the downpipe with NO cat, what would i need to outfit my exhaust all the way to the back? cuz im assuming id need a test pipe or something to continue from where the cat should be all the way to my fart pipe.
(and yes, im preferring to run without a cat, for the fact that my dealership is being a douche. i got that paper saying that cats on my specific car tend to throw engine check signs, and it will need replaced if it does. i was already told by another place that the air filter in my cat is going bad and that the cat will need replaced eventually, so if they wont replace it, then fuck it i dont need it lol). and should i get the 3" weld option or the 3" bolt in? aaand finally, what is this with/without gasket option? just wondering.

also, to add on about the NO-cat solution, my personal flavor is that i like to have a ricey sound to my car (unfortunately lol), but if i am to go with no cat, would it make more sense to throw on the resonator anyway, just for the fact that my car will prolly be really loud without the cat??

continuing on about the cat.. is this the only other part that i would need for the exhaust?
http://www.zzperformance.com/cobalt_...=804&catid=155
and would this work with the no-cat option?? also, speaking from before, i have a flowmaster at the end of my exhaust. would i pretty much just be replacing that as well if i got this option?


aside from all things listed, i will of course be getting a cold air intake (preferably injen). do you have any specific suggestion on a type? as ive seen a few different types of injen cold air intakes for my car.

last, what do i do as far as performance headers are concerned??




so to sum things up right now, this is a good start to what i see myself getting:

http://www.zzperformance.com/cobalt_...=804&catid=155 + resonator? ~$600(+100 core charge)

http://www.zzperformance.com/cobalt_...=542&catid=155 ~ + bolt in option? ~ $140-160

http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/ws/eB...d=160357219843 ~ $225

http://www.zzperformance.com/cobalt_...1055&catid=143 ~ $460(+125 core charge)

http://www.zzperformance.com/cobalt_...=855&catid=178 ~ $105(+100 core) - still need to know if i need something in addition to this piece)

this adds up to approximately $1550 (+ an additional 325 in core charges) + tax of course and shipping (QQ )

all this together will most likely push over my 2000 budget initially, but that should be fine i believe (except the labor charges ouch! :/).

also, one again, still interested in the whole methanol injection, and performance headers options.

let me know!

--edit : also, im seeing that the hahn brand over on turbotechracing has good quality exhaust and its cheaper, is this true? still catless?
 

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OMFG OMFG OMFG OMFG OMFG OMFG WHERE IS MT I REALLY WANNA SEE HER COMMENT ON THIS!?!?!??! AND SHCOL BOY

FIRST OMFG I DONT EVEN KNOW WHERE TO START ON THIS IT FEELS LIKE A FULL CAP TALK BUT ILL SETTLE DOWN AND NOT FLY OUT TO KILL YOU.


OK DUDE FIRST

wtf do some research before you waste 2k blowing your motor.

you dont know anything on these cars yet dont waste money dont waste money dont waste money.

OK you say you got 2k to spend lemme walk you through some things and im gunna prey tonight you havent bought any of that shit

5 things kill this motor.
running lean
high IAT
Too much boost at high rpms
too High a mph for long times
RETARDS

First off what are your goals why are you dumping 2k because its too much for a baisc kit and its too low for a high hp gain

But that being said im have only spent 1000 in upgrades and am close to 300whp was gunna get a dyno but putting money in the f body

things i have and THINGS U NEED

2.6 pulley i wouldnt suggest going this low 2.8 is the same not much gains just a different tq gains lowend

dual pass

Big FM heat exchanger

80s

header and dp BUT id wait on this because **** is comming out with a LONG tube thats going to be fricken sick prolly 10+ over an upgraded header and dp and most of that lowend which is just amazing

3 inch intake and exhaust

Port and polish supercharger If you good with power tools you can do this yourself

A NEW Clutch

Soild mounts motor and trany

Wideband with digi display and lambda settings

Aeroforce Scan GAUGE A MUST for scanning IAT and Knock



THOSE ARE ALL MUSTS ive picked up all used for about 1000 right now and you can pick them up cheap too. THen look around for people close to you who can tune you with hptuners.

Also 2.6 is the dyno proven to have gains over the 2.8 but where talkin like 2-8whp on gas which isnt worth it

IF you really have your heart set on 2.6 you need to look into a meth kit or e85 if you dont have a fill spot dont bother.

pm me if you need more help man happy to help unlike MT AHAHAHHAHAH jk not really
 

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hey winky.... I will take my moderator hat off and speak as a normal member...

Nobody takes you seriously, you sound like a little valley school girl with the OMG crap. You need to grow up already...

Mod cap back on: Keep bringing me or any of the other moderators up, and you will find it very diffulcult to log on here.
 

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Lol i didnt see you post anything better i dont see whats wrong saying i wanna see what you post doesnt seem hostile at all just wanted to here u chime in here your the one that seems u need to grow up if you take anything from what i said above in a rude or stepping on your feet

please ban me ill make a new account not a huge deal. Id love to see you ban me because you have bad blood against me. Also about your 678whp id love to here a list of your mods on that car that a twin turbo gto that you also have cant beat it. Because im sure my lsj wont beat it if you really are a true 678ish whp but i promise you my f body can runs 11s on street tires would love to hear you say yours does WOULD love you to tell me that! because the fastest time posted on streets in a fwd is low 12s i believe could be wrong but last i checked so if your fast please let me know so i can put you in the record books.
 

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also know one takes me serious? REally thats why People pmed me asking questions about everything and if They need meth or e85 canned tune questions because They dont take what i had serious. I didnt see you post anything that beats what i helped him out with.

And its not rude to say your gunna spend 2k in a car and you dont know the first thing in. I am speaking out of Past fuck ups because i have made the same mistakes. Even on this car people told me 2.5 3 inch was too big and now im prolly about 10-15 whp lower then i could be by just getting what i needed to begin with.

All im saying MT is you feel the need to put me down when i take time to answer people when i get off at 11pm or on my off days. I go out of my way to help people like above and you say no one takes me seriously. With a vally school girl comment i like that seeing as you have at least 3 cars that you KNOW EVERYTHING ON. yet i never see you post an lsj helps the 2 cars i own i know inside and out. I have not seen you do anything that would help THE OP i just see you sidetracking his Post. I i think he should decide who should leave. NOT a Hurt mod

I think you need to take a look in the mirror about who needs to grow up? since im helping someone and the CAPS is to chime him into the fact that he maybe going into this a bit too fast and needs to do some research before he buys. a good thing to do on just about anything
 

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I don't fault you for trying to help, it's your little baby attitude that might have your days numbered here. You have come into multiple threads on this forum calling everbody 'retards' and omfg omfg omfg omfg. You cried like a baby when you were told you have to be a vendor for trying to offer to do some port work. Here is a clue for you, who really do you think would actually trust you with this baised on how you act around here. omfg omfg omfg omfg... retards...


here is some examples of your fine work around here, maybe if you read it yourself, you'll realize how you act here:

honestly you have wine dreams on water budget you want kick and put back in your seat power however your the tard that got an auto car thats going to kill everything you want to do to that car. Second even if you had 4k to drop in your car most of them only put u at stock ss/sc power which isnt that fast. just keep the car get a better job or save up and buy a better car NOTHING you do well get you more then 10-15 hp with bolt ons
just cut them off tard god everyone is so pussy about this stuff who cars if your blowing out smog even if your an 08 u dont have to pass emmissions till like what 13 youll prolly have to sell it back for have it repo'd by then lol BUT also even if you have a gutted cat your only getting 3whp if that i really dont see it being worth it

wow OMFG dont listen to these retards OMFG dont put drags on theyll rape your axels. also 2 be honest take more time to the track i really dont think your doing very well driving post your drag slip so we can see ur -60 and final speed with what you got and a perfect everything u should hit 14.2

for not voiding ur warranty id say gm stage 2 and with the mods u get if you dont get into 13s u should be beaten
omfg im right these people are retarded your wheels should be 100 there idiot
ok dont listen to these retards they know nothing about these cars. First get a stage kit or peice togather your own like I did. As far as max boost on stock supercharger is 22-24 lbs of boost. thats running a 2.4 pulley which is lowest ive seen. But for you u need about 1000 and a good tuner
Your little routine has grown very tiresome. You now have a choice on how we both proceed. Drop your little routine and be a good member or continue with your ways, not just insulting everybody but also engaging the staff here, and I'll take appropiate measures. Believe me, we'll manage to survive without you. Now, if you are going to respond to me at this point, do it in a pm. What happens next is really up to you.
 

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lol i see nothing wrong with those comments. Ive helped out everyone More then you know.

Auto tranny no need for mods

helping people not get a high flow cat since they still mostly cause o2 senor num 2 on it

3rd the tards where telling him everything but a stage kit. the stage kit is the best upgrade you can get on these cars

4th everyone was tell him he could get 30psi on a M62 lol people on here make me laugh and 22/24 is prolly an overstatement but that would be without letting the engine breath

the tire one im not sure where i posted but all the other ones were fitting so im sure this one was too. im begining to think you have a crush on me mt since you read all my posts At first i thought you where being a hardass but know i get it =)
 

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lol i see nothing wrong with those comments. Ive helped out everyone More then you know.

Auto tranny no need for mods

helping people not get a high flow cat since they still mostly cause o2 senor num 2 on it

3rd the tards where telling him everything but a stage kit. the stage kit is the best upgrade you can get on these cars

4th everyone was tell him he could get 30psi on a M62 lol people on here make me laugh and 22/24 is prolly an overstatement but that would be without letting the engine breath

the tire one im not sure where i posted but all the other ones were fitting so im sure this one was too. im begining to think you have a crush on me mt since you read all my posts At first i thought you where being a hardass but know i get it =)
ok winky, this is how much I have a crush on you.... *ban*
 

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also know one takes me serious? REally thats why People pmed me asking questions about everything and if They need meth or e85 canned tune questions because They dont take what i had serious. I didnt see you post anything that beats what i helped him out with.

And its not rude to say your gunna spend 2k in a car and you dont know the first thing in. I am speaking out of Past fuck ups because i have made the same mistakes. Even on this car people told me 2.5 3 inch was too big and now im prolly about 10-15 whp lower then i could be by just getting what i needed to begin with.

All im saying MT is you feel the need to put me down when i take time to answer people when i get off at 11pm or on my off days. I go out of my way to help people like above and you say no one takes me seriously. With a vally school girl comment i like that seeing as you have at least 3 cars that you KNOW EVERYTHING ON. yet i never see you post an lsj helps the 2 cars i own i know inside and out. I have not seen you do anything that would help THE OP i just see you sidetracking his Post. I i think he should decide who should leave. NOT a Hurt mod

I think you need to take a look in the mirror about who needs to grow up? since im helping someone and the CAPS is to chime him into the fact that he maybe going into this a bit too fast and needs to do some research before he buys. a good thing to do on just about anything
I don't fault you for trying to help, it's your little baby attitude that might have your days numbered here. You have come into multiple threads on this forum calling everbody 'retards' and omfg omfg omfg omfg. You cried like a baby when you were told you have to be a vendor for trying to offer to do some port work. Here is a clue for you, who really do you think would actually trust you with this baised on how you act around here. omfg omfg omfg omfg... retards...


here is some examples of your fine work around here, maybe if you read it yourself, you'll realize how you act here:












Your little routine has grown very tiresome. You now have a choice on how we both proceed. Drop your little routine and be a good member or continue with your ways, not just insulting everybody but also engaging the staff here, and I'll take appropiate measures. Believe me, we'll manage to survive without you. Now, if you are going to respond to me at this point, do it in a pm. What happens next is really up to you.
ok winky, this is how much I have a crush on you.... *ban*
And this is why LittleMT is a moderator.... :D

This thread is all full of win to the favor of MT.
 

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I seen that it was heading for disaster. That sux dood. Thats why you dont burn your bridges and call people tards and fuck with the mods. Im here to help not insult or burn bridges. MT did the right thing. The Forums are a better place
 

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I seen that it was heading for disaster. That sux dood. Thats why you dont burn your bridges and call people tards and fuck with the mods. Im here to help not insult or burn bridges. MT did the right thing. The Forums are a better place
I hate banning... unless it's those darn spambots...

winky got a 10 day vacation... hopefully he'll come back and be better, as he is on other forums... if not, then a perma ban is next. I hope not.
 
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