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I know it won't make me popular, but the SS is simply not that fast. It is a quick little commuter car in stock form. I believe it has great potential, but if you are looking for a race with a stock car, you will find that the list of cars that will walk away from it is lengthy. My Caprice Classic is not that far from stock and it will show its tailights to a 15 second car every time. So stay away from old taxi cabs...
And the SS is a 15 second car in stock form.
Once it is modified, I think it will hold its own very nicely, but stock? Pick your battles carefully.
And the SS is a 15 second car in stock form.
Once it is modified, I think it will hold its own very nicely, but stock? Pick your battles carefully.
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SS is high 14's, think 14.8-14.9 with a decent driver.
With low pressure tires, really good track prep and launch, low fuel and some weight removal should yield 14.5's in stock form. I'll try to get it to the track soon to solidify my theories.
That said, just investigate what other stock cars run (www.car-stats.com is a good spot). It's bench racing, but its a good start.
With low pressure tires, really good track prep and launch, low fuel and some weight removal should yield 14.5's in stock form. I'll try to get it to the track soon to solidify my theories.
That said, just investigate what other stock cars run (www.car-stats.com is a good spot). It's bench racing, but its a good start.
it is a 1995 with a couple of hundred thousand miles on it and it will take a stock Cobalt SS in the quarter mile and in top speed. So a 10 year old <mildly modified> LT1 Caprice is faster than the SS in stock trim. That is my point. I like the Cobalt SS, am planning on picking one up in the Spring, but it needs some help before I would consider it fast.BizoCG said:
And stock is stock, no weight removal, no 15lbs of air pressure in the front tires, a stock run is just like you run it on the street.
I believe these cars are going to be seriously fast once they are modded, just not right out of the box.
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Fast=Speed in MPH
Quick=The time it takes to get from point A to point B.
Its a "fast" car but not a quick car, theres a difference. It traps almost 100 making it decently fast for a stock compact, but its not quick because they dont have ET's as low as a 100mph car should.
Quick=The time it takes to get from point A to point B.
Its a "fast" car but not a quick car, theres a difference. It traps almost 100 making it decently fast for a stock compact, but its not quick because they dont have ET's as low as a 100mph car should.
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i think the ss will beat your car it has a top end of 155 and the 1/4 mile time is 14.5s and i have seen slips with it. the car will take the 1/4 mile and the take in turn you stuff will flip before it can keep up with the ss. have you tried to race on yet when u do tell me how that is because i taken you car before it is mid 15s after a few mods the year dont matter at all though.
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Who's hit 155 in a stock SS? C&D has it listed as 140 top speed, drag limited (also said [email protected] which sounds about right).
Anyone tested theirs yet? I'll go with what the mags say until someone can run faster.
Anyone tested theirs yet? I'll go with what the mags say until someone can run faster.
Not sure what you mean by "that is because i taken you car before it is mid 15s",Can U Say SS said:
but the SS tops out around 140, the Caprice pulled 147 in tests back in '95 (I have shorter gears now that put me more into the meaty part of the powerband up top, have another 100 horses or so up there, and I am fully confident it would pull over 155.
A 14.5 would be a real close race, go ahead and post those slips, I would like to see the 60' and 1/8th numbers.
Geeesh....I am not attacking the SS, I LIKE the damn thing, it is just not going to beat every car on the street.
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I'm not taking a side in this conversation, but I will add one comment. Spell check, grammar check, spell check, grammar check, etc! It's because of posts like this that my faith in public schools is dwindling.Can U Say SS said:
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There is a guy w/ a Saturn RL that ran a 14.2 with only an intake (homemade I think). There is als one guy on this site that has ran like a 14.35(posted a video), and I think his car was all stock. There have been some PEOPLE tha have ran over 15 in a 1/4, but then again there have been some PEOPLE that have ran high 14's in SRT-4's, lets face it, you can't base a CAR's potential on some rookie driver! Give everybody some more time in there cars, let em get used to em, and then see what they'll do on the track. The highest time I have seen for an SS was like a 15.3x and the kid said he had a tremendous amount of wheelspin, so thats not a fair quote of times either.
Ok, I would expect an SS to run similar times, as GM lists the weight of the SS as only 61lbs heavier, that should translate into less than a 1/10th difference (Assuming the weight distribution is very similar). Problem is, that if the car is hard to drive and it takes 5 runs to get one good one, then most of the time you are going to lose a race. You don't want to go around saying "Well, I would have won if I didn't miss a shift, or spin off the line, or bogged." do you?CoBIZZLE said:
'course not.
The car traps at decent speed, better than decent actually, but it does not e.t. I would like to see some timeslips to find where it loses time.
If it is all at the launch and it catches up after the 1/8th, then you are going to see the rear license plates of a lot of cars on the street. Unless you run it up to 90+MPH and, while I have run hard up to the speed limit (and slightly beyond) on the street, I don't race to anywhere near that speed off the track. Not my thing, I personally don't feel I have the right to endanger other people by driving that way, but since almost 100% of people who do street race haven't hurt anyone, the risk seems pretty low...so I can understand those that don't worry about it. Don't agree, but whatcha gonna do?
Anyway, if tires, or bagging, or suspension can fix the launch on a consistant basis (and that is where I would assume most of the e.t. trouble lives) then the motor can be tweaked to pull big numbers up high and the car will be very formidable. I can see 13.9x being obtainable for a not unreasonable amount of modding.
Until then, do your running from a roll or get used to losing from time to time.
I look forward to modding my own come next "Hot button" season.
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I was just about to post that!!!! Reading posts like that give me a headache.plainnsimple said:
He did asks for those that would BEAT and GET BEAT by the CSS.
DigDug, I understand what you are saying. Sometimes people defend things that they are passionate about. Same as you and the Caprice.
Personally, I would put the CobaltSS directly under the SRT, but above the RSX/Integra guys. With that said....modified cars and such will slowly drop you guys to the bottom of the list since you are not sporting much in the performance selection yet.
Soon enough, you all will be standing right next to the rest of us in the DSM/SRT/Turbo'ed Hatch catagory.
DigDug, I understand what you are saying. Sometimes people defend things that they are passionate about. Same as you and the Caprice.
Personally, I would put the CobaltSS directly under the SRT, but above the RSX/Integra guys. With that said....modified cars and such will slowly drop you guys to the bottom of the list since you are not sporting much in the performance selection yet.
Soon enough, you all will be standing right next to the rest of us in the DSM/SRT/Turbo'ed Hatch catagory.
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