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when you mean faster i dunno if you mean a 1/4 or flat out? A mustang GT will win in a 1/4 by a bit camaro SS im not sure i no it will beat alot of other sport compacts. Depends on what you race i ran an annoying straight 5.0 mustang in about a 1/4 and won. I havent run many peole yet just beat some ricers and a few bad launching v-8's ill tell you what though this thing is pretty damn for what it is!
 

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An SS Camaro will shit all over a stock Cobalt SS up and down the track. 325hp, high 13's stock... very few camaro ss's are stock. I think you would have a better change against the mustang. As long as it isnt a GT.
 

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A stock SS here ran 8.4 in the 8th. Really good Launch. They run around 13.6 for the reg. SS and a little faster with the SLP package. You better be packin some mods to stay with a stock SS. They are no joke. Like stated above, few are still stock!
 

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Actually a lot of drivers have them (LS1 F-bodies) in the LOW 13's stock and its rumored that there were a very few factory freaks that blasted very high 12's stock (Ive never seen proof of this but have heard it several times). My buddies WS6 ran best of like 13.4xx (M-town, Tenn)and it was a 6spd. He never did anything to it besides a green neon light inside the nostrils :rolleyes: . If you race a Camaro SS you had better like the way their ass ends look! As far as Mustang GT's, I have no idea about the newer ones, but the older ones from earlier in the nineties (the first 4.6s) were pretty damn slow. The 3.8 V6 Camaro's could actually somewhat hang with them!! But I hear the newer ones are pretty bad ass!!
 

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the WS6 Formula is pretty quick, the ss camaro is ok... I've seen many high 13's from them, so a bad r/t from the Camaro will give the Cobalt the win light. (If you drive it to at least low to mid 14's with a dead on r/t and good 60')
 

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A WS6 Trans AM and a Camaro SS are the EXACT same car!! Both have the same LS1 engine, same T-56 or 4spd auto, same frame, suspension and everything, just different body panels. The formula is different than the WS6, Im not sure how (power options, handling, or just looks, not sure??) , but it is a different package. If a Camaro SS runs a 14.anything then that wouldnt be a very good driver and/or the track conditions were straight up horrible!!
 

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12.86 on a 1.87 60ft in my buddie's 2002 WS6(heavier than an SS) BONE STOCK right down to tires/air filter/shifter, blah blah blah. My '98 Z ran 13.6 as an auto, my '99 was 13.4 stock with a 6speed. So ya, shit all over the Cobalt SS :) But with some minor mods, it could be close. I saw a '98 Z28 auto dyno 265rwhp, and look at what the other Cobalt SS did, 230? in a lighter vehicle.
 

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Yeah but look at the torque, they were "rated" at 10 more ft/lbs than what they were rated as hp right? So what 325 hp and 335 tq? Even if that falls all the way to 300 at the wheels then thats STILL AT LEAST 105 more ft/lbs at the wheels.... My buddies 98 Z28 dynoed 296hp at the rear wheels and all he has is a flowmaster muffler. (Basically stock, but not "bone" stock). Plus the RWD will more than likely get a better launch at least most of the time and the fact that they have most of their power down low, which I know the Cobalt does too but not near as much!!! And I didnt know the WS6 was heavier than the SS (never heard that anyways), why is that, those extremely curvacious body panels and hood maybe?
 

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really? same? damn....my bad. I thought they had a better performance package in the formula.
12.8 stock, very nice.
1.87 60' on stock tires, impressive.
 

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Well I dont know about the Formula, It may have an added option like the SLP SS's. The Formula was a lil different than the WS6, the Fourth gen Formula had the V6 style wing and hood, no nostrils.
 

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Autobiz said:
12.86 on a 1.87 60ft in my buddie's 2002 WS6(heavier than an SS) BONE STOCK right down to tires/air filter/shifter, blah blah blah. My '98 Z ran 13.6 as an auto, my '99 was 13.4 stock with a 6speed. So ya, shit all over the Cobalt SS :) But with some minor mods, it could be close. I saw a '98 Z28 auto dyno 265rwhp, and look at what the other Cobalt SS did, 230? in a lighter vehicle.
I would need proof for those times stock. Sounds impossible without slicks. At Da Grove I've consistent 13.5 stock. :rolleyes:
 

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Ive heard of stock F-body 'factory freaks' runnin really high 12's many a times! They may be few and far between, but I have definitely heard of several! Ive even seen em in mags a few times on hard copy! Not just rumors...
 

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Ive heard of stock F-body 'factory freaks' runnin really high 12's many a times! They may be few and far between, but I have definitely heard of several! Ive even seen em in mags a few times on hard copy! Not just rumors...
Ya, I've heard of the freaks. I guess I somewhat believe them too. Tomt5078 had an Acura Integra GS-R that cracked some 14.9's with no mods at all.
 

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No problem, Call up Jake in parts at Horter Chevy/Pontiac/GMC out in Mukwonago and ask him for his slips. He also runs an orange late 80's/early 90's Grand Am that's a low 12 sec contender. Runs in the summit super series as well as the sport compact races at GLD.

Hell, I even pulled a 1.90 on a set of 245/50/16 Goodyear RSA's Touring Radials in my 6speed LT1 fullweight car. Then again, it's all in the driver. Not that i'm tooting my own horn or anything, but I think i had 1000 passes in my '93 Z, got a shoebox full of slips from just that car.
 

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There is such a WIDE selection with these cars. Such a wide range of tolerances. I watched a '02 SS pull 330rwhp stock. I watched another one pull 315 stock on the same day same dyno. You'll see it with every car. So factor in a great driver with the "right" car and it'll go quick. Hell GM-Hightech Performance got 12,80's out of a '99 Z back in the day. full article on it too. It'll be the same for the Cobalt SS's too. Some will just downright be fast.

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CoBIZZLE said:
Ive heard of stock F-body 'factory freaks' runnin really high 12's many a times! They may be few and far between, but I have definitely heard of several! Ive even seen em in mags a few times on hard copy! Not just rumors...
Just to chime in my .02, i was at the dyno when a 2002 SS dynoed 342 rwhp-------all stock, right down to the air filiter. Everyone was like WOW :eek: . Beleive it if you want but i have seen it!

I am still waiting on 87camaro to post my cobalt dyno ( i think i sent it to you) let me know if i need to resend it.
 

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No problem, Call up Jake in parts at Horter Chevy/Pontiac/GMC out in Mukwonago and ask him for his slips. He also runs an orange late 80's/early 90's Grand Am that's a low 12 sec contender. Runs in the summit super series as well as the sport compact races at GLD.

Hell, I even pulled a 1.90 on a set of 245/50/16 Goodyear RSA's Touring Radials in my 6speed LT1 fullweight car. Then again, it's all in the driver. Not that i'm tooting my own horn or anything, but I think i had 1000 passes in my '93 Z, got a shoebox full of slips from just that car.

Tigar tail Jake, don't know him but seen that GA thing in action.

This can be found under his user name on the GLD web site.
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[email protected] mph pure stock! 6spd!
 

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Ouch. I winced when i saw this title. Not to be mean but if you know what a Cobalt SS is and don't know what a Camaro SS can do.....well time to hit the books boy. I wouldn't be buying a Cobalt if i could afford a F-body. LT1 or LS1 powered F-body will eat up the S/C 4 banger in the SS. Heck, even a well kept 3rd gen could do some damage. As for the ol' rustang GT, depending on what year it is. If it's stock last gen model it'll be a decent race. To be honest i'm not sure what the Cobalt SS can run in the 1/4 mile as not many owners have posted times or would want to run without breaking n their vehicle first. Magazines have the SS everywhere from a 15.00 to a 14.7.....
If you're thinking of making a muscle car killin machine u'll have to put in some substantial dough "minor mods" would get u within distance of some older LT-1's but if their modded...or have same mods as you minus the S/C u'll lose everytime. There is no replacement for displacement :(. DAMN.
 

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Alright Ill clarrify some things,

The Cobalt wont beat any V8 Fbody over 94/95.

The Camaro and Firebird share the same parts, the Z28 is what the Formula is, no real body changes, just the drivetrain and suspension, the SS and WS6 are a bit different but the same in that they are basically the same packages, but the WS6 was offered direct through GM, the SS was an aftermarket SLP package that dealers used. The Firehawk was the upgrade to the firebird that SLP also did.

The LS1 fbodies have lots of variances in time, mostly due to the variances in what people consider "stock" some consider runnign 104 octane with an iced filter, on cheater tires stock...others do not. But they can range from 12.9-13.7 on both extremes, with the average being 13.4-13.6.

The LT1 fbody is a bit more consistant, with times from 13.6-14.1. So a Cobalt may be able to sneak up on a early convertible Z28, but won't come near an 02 SS coupe.

I believe the Cobalt could hit a solid low-mid 14, and with minor mods be in the LT1 territory, but it would take a good amount to catch an LS1, especially since the power band of the LS1 and the LSJ are more similar than the LT1 and the LSJ. The LT1 makes more power at lower RPM, where the LS1 was designed to make the most power in the higher RPM. My '79 Trans am would run dead even with my friends 02 Corvette untill he hit about 80MPH where he would walk past me when I shifted to 5th. (my ta dynoed at 270RWHP/360RWTQ with a slipping clutch, which is a lesson to anyone, test your car before you pay to dyno it)
 
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